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Thursday, July 12, 2018

This Orioles Defense May Be the Worst We’ve Ever Seen

... these Orioles are mind-bogglingly bad at catching balls put in play. Orioles fielders have combined for negative-84 runs of defensive value compared with the average team, per the advanced stat defensive runs saved. That is already one of the 10 worst totals… At their current pace, they will finish the season with negative-160 DRS—40 worse than the previous record holder, the 2005 Yankees.

Hands of stone.  Feet of clay.  And the mobility of a cigar store Indian.

NattyBoh Posted: July 12, 2018 at 11:07 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: baltimore orioles, defense, manny machado, records

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   1. bfan Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5709060)
In a tip of the hat to RTFA, I WTFV ("I watched video"; fill in the other word), and I was surprised. 2 bad plays were just "lost in the sun" and "lost in the lights", which occurs to me as kind of should not count (unless it happens very frequently to Baltimore OFs, but not to other OFs, because other OFs learn how to shield their eyes better), and if that Adam Jones play in CF is a 97% catch probability, I would be shocked. When I look at that, I really do not say that 32 out of 33 times a major league CF will make that play; it is a hard hit ball over his head to the wall. The others were just corner outfielders being timid in letting a ball drop in front of them instead of diving for a ball, which struck me as bad gambles as much as bad plays.
   2. Rally Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:16 PM (#5709085)
Their DER was below average last season but not disastrous. Orioles have been stretching the defense in some places and getting away with it (for example Mancini and Trumbo as OF corners) in recent seasons.

DRS by position: 2017, 2018 so far

1B -9, -6
2B +1, -9 Schoop not having as good a year, backups terrible
3B +3, -6 Machado in 2017. Beckham average in 2018, the negative runs from playing Valencia out there
SS -5, -20 Hardy was average in half a season, backups worse. DRS thinks Machado is Jeterian.
LF -1, -14 I don't know how they only managed -1 last year, Mancini and Kim do not pass the eye test for competent OF. In both years it's a group effort with Mancini getting the plurality of playing time. This year the numbers say he's a DH trying to play LF

CF -13, -14 Adam Jones wasn't good last year but the numbers say he's a lot worse. I don't know if this is accurate, but he is 32 years old and never was a true speedster. Should move to right or left.

RF -1, +2 Actually a position that has improved! In both years playing time has been given to a mix of poor fielding sluggers like Trumbo, Seth Smith and poor hitting glove men like Gentry and Rickard.

   3. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5709091)
1B -9, -6


Yeah, but at least Davis makes up for his defensive ineptitude with his bat...
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 12, 2018 at 05:35 PM (#5709226)
There's a Cubs game from 1983 on YouTube in which they had Jay Johnstone, Leon Durham and Keith Moreland in left, center and right. Ron Cey, Larry Bowa, Junior Kennedy and Bill Buckner formed the infield.

   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 12, 2018 at 05:50 PM (#5709230)
The Orioles are 35 games out of second place on July 12. I hope this is part of a daily "This Orioles [Blank] May Be the Worst We’ve Ever Seen" series. Especially if they trade Gausmand, Bundy and Machado.
   6. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 12, 2018 at 05:53 PM (#5709234)
When the Pirates were taking over the NL East from the Mets in 1990, I kept assuming that the Mets would eventually re-gather themselves and just blow the Pirates away. Then they came to Pittsburgh and I knew the Pirates would win when I saw that they were shaky about who should catch nearly every ball hit to the short outfield. I'm sure there were worse conglomerations of fielders, but I think those Mets were the worst team defense I've seen on a good team.
   7. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 12, 2018 at 05:54 PM (#5709235)
Especially if they trade Gausmand, Bundy and Machado.


"This Orioles Trade May Be the Worst We’ve Ever Seen."

   8. Moeball Posted: July 13, 2018 at 12:41 PM (#5709492)
This is difficult to watch. I remember the Orioles when they had truly amazing fielding teams - you know, Brooks at 3rd, Belanger at short, Grich at 2nd, Blair in CF, etc. To see what they've become now is sad.
   9. Rally Posted: July 13, 2018 at 02:38 PM (#5709560)
I hope this is part of a daily "This Orioles [Blank] May Be the Worst We’ve Ever Seen" series.


I remember 1988 well and didn't think it could get worse than that. But the Orioles are now 26-68. At the same point in 1988 they were 30-64, even though they started 0-21.
   10. donlock Posted: July 13, 2018 at 03:19 PM (#5709589)
After this season, the Oriole defense also looks scary bad. There have been hints that they would trade Free Agent Adam Jones and resign him as a right fielder and let him finish his career in Baltimore. This helps no one. He would presumably want 2 or 3 years at his present salary $17K. If you double his current stats, you would be getting a .270 hitter with some power and about 60-70 rbis .

He would bump out Trumbo, who has one more year left on a big contract. The Os are probably going to give Trey Mancini another year in LF and Chris Davis remains on first. Danny Valencia has been playing some rf this year, too.

Jones’ heir apparent in center is Cedric Mullins, a AA speedster. The O’s also have DJ Stewart, a top draft pick who just made the AAA All Star game and Austin Hayes, their top hope from AA last year, who has been injured this year. If any of the minor leaguers are good, they will have to fight for playing time with Jones, Trumbo, Davis , Mancini and others.

Don’t even want to think about the 2019 infield.
   11. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 13, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5709612)
Don’t even want to think about the 2019 infield.

Charlie Brown, Lucy, Snoopy, and whoever they can get for Chris Davis.
   12. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 13, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5709631)
I'm guessing the 1899 Cleveland Spiders are the all time recordholder for most games behind the division/league leader, they were 84 (!!!) back at the end of the season, but what's the World Series era record? If the Red Sox and Orioles finish with their current winning percentages the Sox will have 113 wins and the Orioles will have 45. That's 68 games back. So do the Orioles have a chance at the modern record?
   13. dlf Posted: July 13, 2018 at 04:37 PM (#5709635)
#12 -- in today's dugout there were a couple of post-Spiders mentioned. The '42 Phils were 62.5 back, two teams were 63 and 66.5 games back in 1908, and the Mets were 60.5 back in '62.
   14. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 13, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5709639)
Interesting. All those teams finished in 7th place, 8th place or even 10th place (the Mets) while the Orioles are on pace to finish 68 games out of first in only a 5-team division. That seems harder, if anything.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: July 13, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5709645)
plus the Orioles had to play two games against the dreadful Mets, and those two wins don't help their chances for this record.

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