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This royal throne of kings, this sceptered OMNICHATTER

Sale and Syndergaard pitching on the same day? Somebody pinch me!

The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:13 AM | 182 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:10 PM (#5439408)
The highest batting average in the Cardinals' starting lineup tonight is Piscotty at .238. Yuck.

They already have five hits and it feels like their biggest explosion in some time.
   102. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:11 PM (#5439410)
Donna I didn't particularly like the first time. I went through the series a second time (I'm actually just finishing season 9) and on a second viewing I liked her a lot more. Not sure why I had that reaction either time.


Donna requires a second viewing to appreciate. She sucked the first time around.
   103. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:13 PM (#5439412)
Terrible slide by Matt Carpenter on a strike-em-out-throw-em-out DP---his feet-first slide had his legs coming down several feet from the base, and he kind of bounced toward the bag, instead of sliding hard into the bag. Out by a fraction of an inch when he should have been safe easily.
   104. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:14 PM (#5439413)
Gary Sheffield? Rafael Palmeiro?

Sheffield, yes, Palmeiro, no.

The last guy is pretty obvious.
   105. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:15 PM (#5439416)
Any thoughts on Nardole? I think he's a nice fit, not unlike some of the episodes with Strax the domesticated Sontaran. That dude made me laugh (side note, he looks like NHL coach Barry Trotz).


Nardole / Strax comparison is pretty good, Nardole has a higher level of intelligence and a much better biting sense of humor instead of straight forward sense of humor, but they both provided a little bit of silliness. I'm not really sure what his role is other than the Doctor needed someone to talk to. It's not like he's going to be the guy who randomly discovers a secret room to the bad guys lair and decides to go into it.

The actor/character is fun to watch though, so I don't mind, just not sure his purpose overall.

Note: I really think that they should consider a 4-6 episode series with Strax, Jenny and Vastra.... there is just so much potential there.
   106. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:15 PM (#5439417)
Gonna go with Bonds.
   107. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:18 PM (#5439422)
I don't know if it's a turn around but I think when you can pick up three wins when you only score six runs that's banking some wins you shouldn't get. I always subscribe to the "win a third, lose a third, it's what you do with the other third that matters" theory and picking up some victories in a series like that helps cover for some of those games that don't go your way.


Don't get me wrong, we are happy for the sweep, but it's not an announcement that we are legit competitors for the league, like we as fans want to see. The Cardinals were more or less relagated to second or even third tier status coming into the season, and we want to show that it is not reality, but considering the start they have had, it hasn't really worked out, then you follow a poor start with a weak sweep and it's not really announcing to the world, that "The Cubs have to go through us to win the division!"
   108. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:19 PM (#5439423)
Gary Sheffield? Rafael Palmeiro?


Sheffield yes, Palmiero no.

edit: sorry I didn't see post 104 as I was responding to other posts.
   109. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:20 PM (#5439425)
Gonna go with Bonds.


yep.

My thing is that I didn't realize that Thome, Bonds and Sheffield all played 22 seasons. I thought Sheffield's career was cut short and that is why he isn't in the hof, he just needed a couple more years, but apparently not.
   110. JJ1986 Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:21 PM (#5439426)
I had no idea Thome was in the majors so early in his career. I know I saw him in AAA in 1993, I always assumed that was his debut year.
   111. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:23 PM (#5439428)
I complained about the positioning of outfielders for Wong, but when I looked at spray charts apparently, when Wong hits the ball in the air, it's often to the opposite field, it doesn't feel like that to me, but who am I to argue with facts...only the President spokesperson is allowed to do that.
   112. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:25 PM (#5439430)
I would definitely be on board with more Madam Vastra. The dynamic with her, Jenny and Strax was really great.

Did you watch Class this week? I liked it well enough. I don't see any reason it can't at least be on par with Torchwood.
   113. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:28 PM (#5439433)
I had no idea Thome was in the majors so early in his career. I know I saw him in AAA in 1993, I always assumed that was his debut year.


Thome was one of the guys I paid attention to early.... when I was in the Marines, an acquaintance of mine, went to school with him and talked about how he was going to be a great player, this was in 1990/1991. So initially I paid attention to him, and then forgot about him for a while. It was a few years(decade) later that I remembered the conversation, and wondered about that third baseman my buddy talked about.
   114. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:33 PM (#5439436)
Did you watch Class this week? I liked it well enough. I don't see any reason it can't at least be on par with Torchwood.


I've watched every episode of Class already, when I told my gf it was cancelled she was a bit bummed(there is a cliff hanger on the final episode) and then I had to tell her that with it never having been released on bbc America, that it's cancellation talk is premature.

It's a bit mature, in my opinion it really pushes the boundary for no particular reason, and as the show goes on, you might get a bit fed up with what I would call the Klingoning of the shadow kin... Too many science fiction shows like to attach really stupid tribal rules to advance civilizations. Beyond that, I liked it, the characters are more complex, the stories aren't black and white, and Miss Quill is just awesome.... (I want a 15 episode of Vastra/Jenny/Strax/Quill/Ashildr and the Doctor's daughter...with guest appearances from River)
   115. Bote Man Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:35 PM (#5439439)
Tony Two Bags saves 2 bags by snaring a hot shot off the bat of Adonis Garcia, ending the inning. If that goes into the LF corner the Nats lose the lead. Some good defense from the Nats tonight, including Adam Eaton fighting the lights at SunTrust Park that apparently have given a number of fielders trouble.
   116. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:37 PM (#5439440)
Carpenter gives the Cardinals the lead...4 runs in one game, not just a full series.
   117. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:39 PM (#5439443)
Piscotty with a base hit up the middle, and the call by the official scorer is correct, it was just such a slow roller, even fielding it cleanly by the shortstop he probably doesn't get Piscotty at first base..


Cardinal announcers are mocking the Brewers defense with Molina up...they are set for Molina to pull the ball.
   118. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:40 PM (#5439445)

Cardinal announcers are mocking the Brewers defense with Molina up

And Molina hits a line shot directly into the mitt of the RF.
   119. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:41 PM (#5439446)
Rangers announcers talking about being careful pitching to Hosmer. I have no idea why you would ever bother to be careful pitching to him.
   120. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:44 PM (#5439448)

And Molina hits a line shot directly into the mitt of the RF.


he did go opposite field though....
   121. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:45 PM (#5439449)
Thames with his 8th hr...to make it 5-4 Brewers. (and it was a ####### blast)
   122. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:45 PM (#5439450)
Monster homer for Thames puts the Crew back up, 5-4.
   123. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:46 PM (#5439452)
Very fishy homer by Thames. Normally hit balls don't go that far.
   124. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:47 PM (#5439453)
Braun having trouble with Martinez, Ks for the third time in five innings.
   125. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:48 PM (#5439454)
Not that it really matters, but Carlos Martinez is one strikeout away from tying for the league lead... unfortunately the rest of his pitching hasn't been as impressive.
   126. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:50 PM (#5439455)
Cardinal announcers are crediting Thames improvement to visualization....same thing that Mark McGwire credited to his performance after a few sub par years. (note: I'm not pulling the roid subliminal argument here. I'm talking about the strategic approach to hitting)
   127. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:51 PM (#5439456)
That's something like 30 baserunners allowed in 15 innings across three starts since Martinez's great opening day performance. Not looking very good, despite all the Ks.
   128. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:52 PM (#5439457)
For the record, I do not see any difference between Thames and Cecil Fielder, both guys had flaws in their game, had some power, and went over seas and found out what works for them and came back and continued to dominate. A 24 year old coming back at 27 and being a different player is not really unusual. If you wipe out three years of many hofers/hovg, especially the slower to develop ones, you wouldn't see anything unusual there.
   129. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:54 PM (#5439459)
I was just kidding about my "fishy" comment, channeling Lackey & the Cubs.
   130. Bote Man Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:54 PM (#5439460)
Mark Zuckerman @MarkZuckerman
Harper is now batting .857 (6-for-7) vs. lefties so far this year. Nats as a team are batting .529 (18-for-34) vs. lefties.

Turn Back the Clock to 2015 with your host Bryce Harper!
   131. Bote Man Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:55 PM (#5439461)
Cardinal announcers are crediting Thames improvement to visualization

Curt Gowdy credits the yoga practice that improved Thames' balance and posture.
   132. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:56 PM (#5439462)
I was just kidding about my "fishy" comment, channeling Lackey & the Cubs.


I kinda assumed that much, but still I felt like making my comment.

Just because I don't doubt there is going to be rumors following him, but wanted to reiterate that what he is doing is not anything different than what happened with Cecil Fielder, and I'm not sure that Cecil had many roid rumors around him (of course it doesn't mean he didn't use, we've already seen fat guys like Ortiz and Manny have roid rumors, so it's not out of the realm of possibility...but still roids do require you put in a workout)
   133. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:57 PM (#5439463)
Domingo Santana just did an impersonation of Nelson Cruz in Game 6 of the 2011 World Series, tracking a long fly (Gyorko) and having it clank off his mitt for an extra-base hit.
   134. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:58 PM (#5439464)
Gyorko has actually been the Cardinals' best hitter so far in 2017, and appears to have knocked the corpse of Jhonny Peralta out of the starting lineup for the time being. He's one of the few guys having quality ABs every game.
   135. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 20, 2017 at 09:59 PM (#5439466)
BTW, please don't spoil the Giants off-day for me. I want to watch the condensed off-day tomorrow !
   136. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:00 PM (#5439467)
The highest batting average in the Cardinals' starting lineup tonight is Piscotty at .238. Yuck.


As of right now, Gyorko has a .273 and Carpenter has a .256.... there is a real problem with using numbers this early in the season.. things change in a hurry.
   137. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:02 PM (#5439468)
I commented in one of the Thames threads (I think it was). My recollection is that the difference for Fielder was that he learned to hit off speed stuff in Japan which was said to be more of an off speed pitch league. I don't know if that perception was true then or remains true but Thames last played in MLB when he was 25. He spent three years in Japan and the idea that some on the job training on off speed stuff would help a slugger who struggles with breaking balls to adjust better doesn't seem crazy to me.

Along those lines a lot of those AAAA hitters who seemed to proliferate during the silly ball era tended to peak late. That makes intuitive sense to me, that the ability to adjust like that takes time and reps.
   138. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:02 PM (#5439469)
Those were all pitches Matt Adams should have destroyed, and instead he strikes out.
   139. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:04 PM (#5439470)
He spent three years in Japan and the idea that some on the job training on off speed stuff would help a slugger who struggles with breaking balls to adjust better doesn't seem crazy to me.


In Korea... Not Japan, but the rest of the point stands... The Cardinal announcers were talking about that specifically, that he learned to hit the ball down and away, which he was susceptible to. This is a guy who in Korea led the league in hr, batting average and had a 40/40 season.
   140. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:09 PM (#5439473)
well, that was a no doubter... 7-4 Brewers... our bullpen really sucks.
   141. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:09 PM (#5439474)
WHO IS JETT BANDY AND WHY DOES HE KEEP HITTING HOME RUNS????
   142. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:10 PM (#5439476)
our bullpen really sucks.

10 walks in 5.1 innings for Siegrist this year... that's comically bad.
   143. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:12 PM (#5439478)
That's three homers the Brewers have hit with men on base so far. That's certainly a recipe for winning.
   144. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:14 PM (#5439479)
I've got a game-tracker thing that says Nelson Cruz is currently batting against "Unknown" of the Oakland A's.
   145. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:16 PM (#5439480)
For the record "Unknown" is Cesar Valdez, pitching in the bigs for the first time since 2010.
   146. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:16 PM (#5439481)
10 walks in 5.1 innings for Siegrist this year... that's comically bad.


I'm a huge fan of the AAA shuttle for relievers, if you aren't cutting it, get sent down(I'll risk you being claimed off of waivers if necessary) and bring someone else up. If I was a major league manager, my effective roster would be 28-30 players, and I would be shuttling AAAA pitchers left and right, and probably catchers and outfielders also. Not even to punish lack of performance but to keep everyone fresh.

Note: I know being sent down, means I can't recall the player for another ten days(barring a DL) but still, it's worth using it. You have the guys you trust, you have the guys you hope you can trust, and if they fail, you swap them out, and you swap them out quickly.... the bullpen is the most volatile part of this game and the easiest to fix.
   147. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:17 PM (#5439482)
And he struck out. Gotta think the lack of a scouting report on the unknown pitcher was a problem.
   148. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:17 PM (#5439484)
I've got a game-tracker thing that says Nelson Cruz is currently batting against "Unknown" of the Oakland A's.


Does it say which location ?
   149. Bote Man Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:21 PM (#5439485)
David O'Brien @DOBrienAJC
Inciarte F8, Braves lose 3-2 and get swept. Nats 32-9 vs. Braves since beginning of 2015 season.

I like a sweep! I had no idea the Nats had dominated the Braves so dominatingly since 2015. That's over 2 years to you and me.

Bonus points for Inciarte absolutely destroying his helmet in the dugout after a Nationals fielder made a magnificent catch to rob him of a hit for the second time tonight. Lots of good defense in this game.
   150. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:22 PM (#5439486)
That was a bit impressive.. Diaz hits a ball that one bounces off the right centerfield wall, played perfectly by the outfielder and still easily makes a double.

For the record, the ball is flying in Milwaukee tonight.
   151. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:26 PM (#5439487)
Gyorko has actually been the Cardinals' best hitter so far in 2017, and appears to have knocked the corpse of Jhonny Peralta out of the starting lineup for the time being. He's one of the few guys having quality ABs every game.


Peralta has been put on the DL with a respiratory issue that has probably been affecting him for some time.

But I'm pretty certain that Jose Martinez has been the best hitter for the Cardinals in 2017, and I'll take Piscotty right now over Gyorko also.
   152. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:29 PM (#5439488)
I'll take Piscotty right now over Gyorko also.

Not me.
   153. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:32 PM (#5439489)
Piscotty just got a break, taking a 3-2 pitch clearly in the strike zone for a called ball four.
   154. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:34 PM (#5439490)
For the record, there have been guys on the Cardinals who I think are having bad luck offensively... .Diaz number one, and Grichuk number two...

The guys who's bats I like so far among the Cardinals is Martinez, Gyorko, Piscotty, Diaz, and Grichuk....regardless of actual results. (and I'm fine with Garcia and Carpenter, although not happy with them, but don't think they are easy outs)

Fowler, Wong and Molina all look like they are just inches away from being right, but.... then they aren't.

Although, 60 pa for Diaz and 0 walks has to be a concern, he's putting too much pressure on himself. He didn't have a walking problem last year.
   155. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:34 PM (#5439491)
Gyorko has a pretty good eye, he swings at strikes (and misses a lot) and generally avoids hacking at stuff out of the zone.

Now please someone go on Fangraphs and find out what Gyorko's actual swings-oustide-the-zone pct. is.
   156. Bote Man Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:34 PM (#5439492)
Piscotty just got a break, taking a 3-2 pitch clearly in the strike zone for a called ball four.

Wait, is C.B. Bucknor now calling your game???
   157. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:35 PM (#5439494)
and I'm fine with Garcia

Garcia also does not give away ABs. I like watching him in the box.
   158. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:36 PM (#5439496)
Oh great, Jonathan Broxton. What could possibly go wrong.
   159. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:37 PM (#5439497)
The feeling I get when I see Jonathan Broxton come in and pitch for the Cardinals must be similar to what fans of other teams feel when a guy like, say, Fernando Rodney come in. Except Broxton isn't still closing.
   160. Bote Man Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:38 PM (#5439498)
Scoreless game going to bottom 9th in Arlington (Texas, not Virginia).
   161. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:38 PM (#5439499)
Cardinals 1-for-13 with RISP so far tonight.
   162. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:39 PM (#5439500)
Garcia also does not give away ABs. I like watching him in the box.


That is the thing, I'm happy with a majority of the starting lineup in the box so far, they may not be getting the results, but they look like they are doing what you expect them to do... The exceptions is Fowler(regardless of yesterdays game) Piscotty(who I mentioned I like, but he's also a bit over anxious) Wong(who is just clueless) and Molina who feels like he's gone out of his way to put the ball in play no matter what.

The rest of the team seems to be taking the approach that should work for their style, and just not getting the results(except of course Jose Martinez who is godlike right now)
   163. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:39 PM (#5439501)
In 3.2 innings so far in 2017 Broxton has allowed 9 baserunners. Can't we do better????
   164. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:41 PM (#5439502)
nice dp.... team has done a good job of that this year. (although just checking the stats, by the numbers we suck at double plays also)
   165. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:42 PM (#5439503)
Cardinal reliever ERAs are comical:
Cecil: 7.94
Oh: 8.10
Socolovich: 9.00
Siegrist: 9.95
Broxton: 12.27
   166. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:45 PM (#5439506)
Right now you have to find a way to start Gyorko and Martinez everyday.... They have positional flexibility.
   167. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:49 PM (#5439508)
HR for Gyorko. Nice game: homer, 2 doubles and a walk so far.
   168. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:49 PM (#5439509)
Cardinal reliever ERAs are comical:
Cecil: 7.94
Oh: 8.10
Socolovich: 9.00
Siegrist: 9.95
Broxton: 12.27


Yep...it's been pretty bad. We go into the late innings with a 1 or 2 run deficit and watch it become bigger very quickly....
Still until we start to show consistent offense, we can't really complain. You can't win games scoring 3-4 runs no matter what(regardless of the previous 3 games...flukes happen)

Our pen was supposed to be our strength... Oh, Cecil, Rosenthal and Bowman should be up there among the best groups out there...add in Siegrist, and Broxton and it should have been a shutdown pen.
   169. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:52 PM (#5439511)
I am upset that they are using Garcia to pinch hit instead of Martinez, but of course you are saving Martinez for a higher leverage situation... I still wish that mlb would encourage deeper benches.
   170. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:53 PM (#5439512)
Difference is our homers are solo jobs, theirs are all with men on.
   171. Bote Man Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5439516)
I still wish that mlb would encourage deeper benches.

If a SMART™ GM sees the value in/need for a deeper bench, he will make the necessary moves. The encouragement should come from a better idea to win, not from Rob Manfred's Consideration Desk.
   172. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 10:57 PM (#5439517)
Fowler's legendary patience hasn't shown up this season so far. (what I mean, he's getting pitch counts, but he's swinging and fouling off everything, he's not challenging the umps to call strikes on him...This approach does not lead to a lot of walks)
   173. Bote Man Posted: April 20, 2017 at 11:01 PM (#5439521)
Maybe it's my bloody British ancestry, but I just can't get used to calling him Eric THAYmes. He's not pronouncing his own name correctly, it should sound like Temms.
   174. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 11:06 PM (#5439522)
For the record, the Cardinals need to send Siegrist down or release him, he's not helping the team, nor does he look like he's a guy who had a bad day(like Socolovich)

If the rest of the team was firing on cylinders, you could get away with him, but he is by far the biggest weakest link on the team and needs to be replaced.
   175. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 11:18 PM (#5439526)
Cardinals are letting Molina bat in the top of the ninth, instead of pinch hitting with Martinez, not sure I agree with this decision.
   176. Davoice of Dapeople Posted: April 20, 2017 at 11:18 PM (#5439527)
The Royals have allowed 6 runs over their last 64 innings.
   177. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 11:20 PM (#5439528)
Another close game in which the team had a chance in the ninth inning, but failed... right now Molina is not the clutch player he was a few weeks ago or last year.
   178. salvomania Posted: April 20, 2017 at 11:21 PM (#5439529)
Hurts to see Gyorko left on deck representing the tying run...
   179. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2017 at 11:25 PM (#5439530)
Yep, that is why you pinch hit for Molina there with Martinez.... I'm not usually critical of Matheny, because most of the criticism by blogs and on here, are usually stupid arguments that have the nuance of a brick to the head....but I would have definitely considered Martinez as a pinch hitter there. You play for nine innings, do not hold your bullets back for extras that may not happen.
   180. Bote Man Posted: April 20, 2017 at 11:55 PM (#5439535)
Delino DeShields da winner!
   181. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2017 at 12:07 AM (#5439541)
Evan Scribner in to relieve James Paxton for Seattle. 2 on, 1 out.
Just before he throws a pitch, Scribner steps away and removes a glove hand bangle or bracelet. Looks like a lime green rubber thingy?
He didn't even put it in his back pocket, Scribner just stuffed it down the neck of his shirt.
(Then struck out the next two batters to retire the side.)
Must have been told to remove it. Can't say by whom, but it didn't rattle him.
   182. Born1951 Posted: April 21, 2017 at 01:19 AM (#5439555)
The last time Texas won a 13 inning or longer shutout was 8-17-90 vs the White Sox. Nolan Ryan pitched the first 10 innings for the Rangers in that game, giving up 3 hits, no walks, and striking out 15.
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