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Wednesday, January 16, 2013
If you don’t know what a Sandy Hook Truther is, take a moment to read Max Read of Gawker’s illuminating look into their strange world. Basically, they are people who believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was actually some kind of elaborate hoax perpretrated by the government, because everything is an elaborate hoax perpetrated by the government in the eyes of these crazies. YouTube videos alleging such a hoax have been popping up all over the internet, poisoning the minds of people like Washington Nationals center fielder Denard Span.
Pay no attention, Span.
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I thought it was ok as long as such articles are marked OTP? This probably should have been, but it was also quite obvious what this thread was going to be. If articles like this are approved, the discussion is going to go political.
If there was some article that was about Span's position in the lineup and people brought this into it, then that might be innapropriate
You can't kill a shopping center worth of people with an automatic weapon.
Not until we have effective gun control at least, otherwise there will always be a few wackos carrying their own guns shooting back and slowing you down.
Lance was able to do it for 20 years, though noone started asking questions till 1999, so really 13 years. The problem is the people who know rarely have proof, just experience that can be refuted. So there is at least one example of being able to keep things "quiet enough" for over 10 years... and if he had stayed retired, my guess is the people saying he cheated would have remain marginalized.
I've read Black Hawk Down; there's nothing there that justifies such a massive and expensive change in US military equipment. It's anecdotal stories from justifiably overwhelmed men in incredibly stressful conditions.
Delta Force and other SF operators are highly trained elite forces and they largely are permitted to select their own equipment already. Most soldiers are NOT Delta Force; they don't have the aptitude or the training, and they don't undertake the same sort of missions. What makes sense for Delta doesn't necessarily make sense for non-elite infantry.
Yeah, .308/7.62 is more accurate at longer ranges, which is why it's used for sniper rifles. But it's harder to teach somebody to shoot accurately with .308 as opposed to .223, and .308 is less accurate when used in burst fire or full auto modes; there's a lot of recoil there, even with correspondingly heavier rifles. So while .308 is technically the more accurate cartridge on paper, in practice, most people shoot better with .223 unless we're talking strictly bolt-action or semi-automatic rifles, and even then the weight and felt recoil tend to eliminate any advantage inherent in the cartridge for the average shooter.
Disagree. They taught conscripts to shoot accurately with .30 cal rifles for something like 80 years. They shouldn't be fired on burst or full-auto. I'd issue semi-auto only. I've never heard of any accuracy problems with Garands in WW2 or Korea.
Delta Force and other SF operators are highly trained elite forces and they largely are permitted to select their own equipment already. Most soldiers are NOT Delta Force; they don't have the aptitude or the training, and they don't undertake the same sort of missions. What makes sense for Delta doesn't necessarily make sense for non-elite infantry.
Given the small size of our military (in terms of actual foot soldiers), and the fact that it's 100% long-service professionals, they all should be elite infantry.
It's not a case of not being able to do so, it's a case of it being easier and more efficient to do it the way we're doing it now. FWIW, I've done a good bit of shooting with Iraq/Afghanistan vets, and they generally like and prefer the .223 over the .308. The beauty of the .223 is that it's a decent all around cartridge. Perhaps it's not ideal for any given purpose, but it's adequate for virtually all purposes. In those situations where it's not adequte (dedicated sniper teams, elite SF operators, etc.), we give those soldiers the special gear they need. It's a cromulent system that gets the job done.
Given that we've sent National Guard units on multiple overseas combat deployments over the past decade, I don't think that's feasible.
Wasn't there a Mythbusters episode debunking the whole "knock the bad guy over backwards with a bullet" thing?
Heh.
I've seen some sniper spotter scope videos from Afghanistan that would refute that. These guys will literally sent flying.
None of this is new, or even all that recent. So I just want to know why the understandable anxiety to irrational delusion transition has taken so long to catch up.
But the conspiracy theories we're talking about require a lot more than that. The Lincoln assassination was an actual conspiracy to bring down the federal government of the United States and reverse the outcome of the Civil War, but the actual conspiracy is easily distinguished from the bizarre theories about a much broader conspiracy.
The .50 caliber has about 4 times the mass of the .30 caliber (721 gr per google search result), so the post-impact velocity of the 80 kg man should be about 1.7 km/hr assuming the round is traveling at a similar velocity.
are they saying that nobody was killed except adam lanza's mother? even her?
OR that there are no dead kids at all and they have simply disappeared with their entire families not having a problem with this?
i have heard the one about AIDS virus being invented to kill gays and Blacks. i want to know how come it kills Whites and Asians too?
i have heard the one about White people inventing sickle cell to kill Black people, too. which would mean fooling with DNA before anyone knew what DNA is. which i would like to know how they did it
i have heard all the ones about how bush created katrina/refused to allow any help/forced the LA gov n NOLA mayor to deal with it all by their lonesome so as they could kill more Black people
conspiracy theorists - well, the explanation really is a whole lot of blather that The Satan Is Out There
and
The End Of The World As I Like It Is Here
The whole thing is even stupider than other conspiracy theories.
The whole thing was staged so that Obama could take away your guns. The "families" got no problem with it because they're all actors.
Government conspiracy Biotech was still in its infancy; they didn't know how to make a virus that would only kill gays and Blacks. Who knew that the gays and Blacks would mess up the plan by having sex with Whites and Asians?
I'm not breaking ground but the internet has obviously made it easier to spread these conspiracy theories/communicate with others to reinforce your belief. Obviously internet has been around a while now, and I feel like conspiracy theories are spreading more in the last couple of years than they had in the past so that can't explain everything.
Maybe it's the same as it always has been and I may be blinded by personal experience here.
Sandy Hook was just Obama's way of striking back. It's so simple it must be true. Occam's Razor.
The Web is 20 years old, but our use of it has changed radically in the last few years. Friendster only started in 2002. Facebook had a pretty limited user group through 2006, and both it and Twitter only blew up in 2008. Facebook and Twitter have become so ubiquitous that we tend to forget that it's a very new world we live in. People are connected and in constant communication in ways that they weren't only a few years ago.
(I should say that I don't know if conspiracy theories are spreading faster than they once did, but I agree that it certainly feels like they are.)
The 2004 playoffs were a hoax acted out on a sound stage at a secret Air Force Base in Nevada.
My father-in-law is convinced that the umpires are directed by Selig and Fox to fix postseason games that could end a series early. I watched game 4 of the World Series with him, and he cited every call that went against the Giants as further evidence of the plan. He also thinks the union arranges for certain teams to win or lose in the postseason. This is mainly a reference to the Tigers. The union keeps them losing in the postseason so that Mike Illitch will keep pouring more and more money into salaries. At this point I should mention that my father-in-law is both crazy and extremely alcoholic, which might have something to do with this theories.
EDIT: Oh yeah, MLB is also bribing the town council of St. Petersburg to arrange for a new stadium in an area baseball wants. This might actually be true.
Bribing Florida politicians? Unpossible.
I feel like I've given consideration to the ball being juiced. Guess I'm a truther in my own right.
Unfortunately, there is nothing fun about a 72-year-old alcoholic.
Then there's how Ripken's streak was kept alive by purposely shutting down the Camden Yards generator to delay a game because Ripken was distraught over catching his wife with Kevin Costner.
He wasn't distraught. He hurt his hand beating the sh!t out of Costner. And they didn't just shut down a generator, they staged a train derailment!
Coming off the wrist injury, Sandberg was ineffective. Plus the strike was looming. Plus his marriage was breaking up due to his wife sleeping with everybody in the clubhouse except Yosh Kawano.
The Ripken one I heard, thouhg the story I heard was that they got into a fight and Ripken was too beat up to play.
John Kruk is half-way there.
I heard a version where the delay was because he was getting treatment after breaking his hand punching Costner and he DHed for a few games while it healed, despite the fact that he never DHed that year.
Well, that just proves it. Why else would they cover it up?
The craziest ones, sure.
But, the idea that Oswald was the patsy for a small group of rogue CIA operatives only requires a handful of people to know, in the sense they can prove it. The idea that the Chicago mob was involved in the RFK assanination, could involve 2 or 3 mob bosses and a couple of hit men.
There are conspiracy theories that don't require more than a dozen people to have real evidence of what happened. If any of these conspiracy theories are real, they have been widely discussed. They leaked in the sense that people know, or think they know what happened. They just haven't been proven.
There are theories about the ball being juiced for the 1987 season when there were weird HR totals.
Also, I seem to remember seeing a show where MLB was using its satellites to spy on people, but rather than know the terrifying truth, people just wanted to see Mark McGwire swat dingers.*
*-It was The Simpsons.
Huh?
BALCO was raided in 2003, Bonds was shortly exposed as a client. BALCO was an incorporated entity, not a secret. Bonds had a reporter spend time with him and document his workout regimen.
At the grand jury and the crim trials of Conte, etc. it was established that BALCO had produced the cream and the clear. At the grand jury it was established that Bonds used cream and clear substances provided to him by Anderson. Bonds kept nothing "under wraps" and there's not a lot of doubt that Bonds used substances containing steroids (there is a slim possibility what Anderson gave him was not the real stuff). This has been in the public realm for, what, 7 years now?
The question is whether Bonds knowingly used steroids and therefore lied to the grand jury. On that we have Conte's testimony that he never told Bonds and we have other athletes that said they weren't told (and some that were if I recall) and we had Anderson sitting in jail for quite a long time for refusing to testify. That's not a complicated conspiracy unless you think Bonds was manipulating the testimony of Conte and several players and that not only Anderson but Marion Jones and others went to jail to protect Bonds.
Armstrong kept almost nothing "under wraps". Rumors abounded from the start. Andreu came forward in 2006. The Armstrong conspiracy held for, what, 7 years?
And in both cases the key element was nothing to do with complicated conspiracy or secret plots but rather friendship -- Anderson-Bonds and Andreu-Armstrong -- and not wanting to kill the golden goose. Anderson chose not to testify at all, Andreu only after being subpoenaed.
There is also the story of the Ripken HR in the All-Star game being a fat pitch on purpose.
That's the one I've heard a lot about.
Of course, if BBTF pools their money, maybe we can buy it and have it tested!
The all-time greatest stupid conspiracy is the one in Holy Blood, Holy Grail (and the basis for the Da Vinci Code) that alleges that the Merovingians were the descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, and that there has been a secret conspiracy to place the surviving Merovingian heirs on all of the thrones of Europe. You may recall that the last Merovingian monarch was deposed in 751 by Charlemagne's father, Pepin the Short. So not only does this conspiracy necessarily involve a lot of people, it was somehow kept secret for the 1,231 years between 751 and the publication of the book in 1982.
EDIT: Honorable mention goes to the various theories that some or all of the the Middle Ages didn't exist and were faked by a Pope or someone similar, which only makes the Merovingian conspiracy that much more impressive. (Because the Merovingians, being Medieval, didn't exist. However a good chunk of those years between 751 and 1982 also didn't exist, which mitigates this difficulty somewhat.)
None of this is new, or even all that recent. So I just want to know why the understandable anxiety to irrational delusion transition has taken so long to catch up.
The thing is, the sort of semi-mass paranoia and "truthseeking" we've seen lately is a recurring part of American history. As creepy as much of the racial and religious rhetoric of the loony right wing may be today, consider this: In the late 1930's, the openly anti-Semitic Catholic priest Charles Coughlin commanded a far bigger radio audience than Rush Limbaugh does today. And in the early 1920's, Henry Ford was both selling and giving out copies of The International Jew right there in his automobile showrooms. Among the conspiracy theories that set of 4 books promoted was that the Jews had taken over and were destroying baseball.
And IMO the main reason that we think that the paranoia is at some sort of all-time peak today is that it's so easy for anyone to get a platform and have it picked up and spread by like-minded wingnuts all across the country, where it gets magnified not only by sympathizers, but by people who re-post their rants for condemnation and / or mockery and entertainment. Add to that the infinitely greater political sophistication of right wing groups like the NRA and the crackpot religious types, and you wind up with an entire political party being dominated by some very strange people.
I'm not sure this is serious, but it is Bleacher Report so you never know.
Then there's this: an ARod conspiracy theory.
Including about 90% of the people on BTF, who were quick to dismiss any alternate explanations for not offering him a contract.
I've heard the one about the Metrodome. I seem to remember the Seahawks were supposedly getting a boost from doors being opened or closed affecting the A/C wind patterns at the Kingdome for field goal attempts.
Or "the Yankees have to win the 2001 championship for 9/11"
Until everything fell apart in the 9th inning, I might have bought the same theory about the Yankees in 2001.
Not nowadays. Maybe way way back in the day.
Pretty far out there. But I could be convinced 1991 didn't exist. I was 21 yet have only the haziest memories of the year.
Well, they fix the playoffs, so why wouldn't they fix the lottery?
Whatever happened with that?
The "missing medieval years" theory is probably one of my favourites. Just so breath-takingly bold and innovative. I mean, this Sandy Hook thing...you knew the second it was reported that the usual nutters were going to have their conspiracy-by-numbers humdrum. But I'd love to be a fly on the wall for the dawn of realization that 500 years didn't happen.
Does this count as a proper conspiracy? It was just the team doing it and trying to keep it secret. If the league office knew about it and covered it up, if the Bengals were paying the Saints to injure members of the Steelers, or even if the groundskeepers somehow made the turf harder where the opposing players were likely to be tackled, then it becomes a proper conspiracy. Otherwise it's just a team being shifty.
Also I think my short lived marriage was a conspiracy though I can't prove it.
Just like Obama was behind Sandy Hook to get public support for radical gun bans, Roger Goodell was behind the Saints Bounties to get public support for the radical safety measures he wants to enact.
how do you think the cheating twins won the series in 87? cuz they were good?
Collusion does not equal conspiracy.
Not even just American, there is a long history of European secret societies and such - the Illuminati, the Freemasons trying to take over the world, the Knights Templar going underground and running the world's banking system, the Protocols of Zion/the Jews who are controlling the world, there are a few plague-related ones as I recall (probably the Jews too), etc. Here is America we have all of those, Area 51 and the various UFO coverups and others. All of those are still around, in the case of the European ones, hundreds of years after they began. People have always believed this stuff (wanted to believe this stuff, for various reasons), but with mass media you can scream louder now and the echo chamber whips it into an even greater frenzy.
That being said I believe every NBA conspiracy there is.
Not even just American, there is a long history of European secret societies and such
God, yes. I wasn't meaning at all to suggest that we have any sort of monopoly on paranoia and conspiracy theories. The Protocols of Zion alone has at last count been translated into several dozen languages that span every continent except possibly Antarctica.
I never did bother to calculate the weather normalized correlation coefficient for called balls and strikes across 2 teams playing a game, though.
Probably every other week there's a suggestion that one bad NFL call or another is point-spread related.
As if that wasn't enough, it turns out that she wasn't a real deer, either!
Crazy people make the crazy. There's nothing else to get about the Sandy Hook Truthers. They are crazy people. Literally, detached from reality, crazy people. A good place to start with the new push for mental health scans around gun ownership in America would be to note that anyone crazy enough to believe that Newtown was a set-up is, by definition, too crazy to own guns.
Like the "way, way out there" idea that sports leagues might bribe local politicians for sweetheart stadium deals, the idea that Major League ownership and management might collude against a player or players is not really the realm of "conspiracy."
I'm pretty sure that one has been confirmed as true, too.
My god, this is getting absolutely zero percent of the love that it should. This is friggin' brilliant!
I'll admit it - I laughed.
Are you saying you believe it's impossible that a multi-billion dollar American corporation would manipulate results and reporting to increase profits?
I'm not 100% convinced the NBA lottery is or isn't fixed (in some years at least) but after Enron, Madoff, Countrywide, Lehman, etc., etc., it would surprise you?
Considering; 1) an NBA "conspiracy" about referees being in the tank for some games was proven true recently, 2) a "conspiracy" about a famous professional cyclist buying off the anti-doping agency has recently proven true, 3) the NFL only reports maybe five players per year for using PEDs, and 4) we're in the middle of a huge "failure to report" story about a famous college athlete, and 5) general history of corporate behaviors, from the S&L scandals through Madoff right up to the on-going NRA meltdown, I can see no reason to assume the NBA is *not* gaming the lottery. No proof either way, but either belief is perfectly reasonable.
On the other hand, the sports media is coming under intense fire for not poking holes in a seemingly innocuous uplifting story about a dead girlfriend who apparently did not exist.
Which would certainly explain away the Middle Ages, to say the least.
On the other hand, the sports media is coming under intense fire for not poking holes in a seemingly innocuous uplifting story about a dead girlfriend who apparently did not exist.
The only thing I can't understand about the Teo story is why anyone would treat it as anything other than a great big joke. Either Teo helped pull it off or he was actually a clueless victim, but either way, so what? The only real "scandal" here is that both Notre Dame and the sports media seem to find a hoax like this far more important a story than Lizzy Seeberg's suicide or Declan Sullivan's entirely preventable death.
It's because it's so ####### weird. The prevailing sentiment is not, "Oh, how we've all been duped, woe is us," but "Can you believe all this?!"
Sports is entertainment. Daytime television is entertainment. The Te'o story is basically the two overlapping. And people are eating it up, as expected.
I agree that it has overshadowed a much more important story, but wasn't there a fund set up in Lennay's name with people donating money to it?
Not even just American, there is a long history of European secret societies and such
I think it is because there is an element - just that - of truth in them. Socieities are divided into classes, with some socieities being more stratified than others. But there is always a "ruling" class and a "moneyed" class (and a lot of overlap between the two). I think, as a general rule, those two classes are continuously working to keep themselves in those classes and others out. I think those not in the two powerful classes know this. I don't think the attempt is done in large, detailed, complicated plans but, rather, as a nod and a wink between powerful people such that the trend of law and culture is toward the status quo. Not being able to find clear evidence of the conspiracy to keep them down, those in the lower classes (everyone not rich or powerful) gravitates toward these more outlandish conspiracies.
I doubt you could miss entire years. Multiple peoples across the globe were tracking time. The Chinese and Egyptians had advanced astronomy.
Events could certainly be mis-dated, but blocks of time missing; not possible IMHO.
Huh? Just labeling something a "conspiracy" does not imply that it was untrue or only believed in by paranoids. I made no claim whether or not Bonds was colluded against. If owners secretly got together and agreed that no one would sign Bonds, that by definition is a conspiracy. And if someone has a theory that this happened, that is by definition a conspiracy theory.
Owners and Lawmakers who have secret illegal arrangements in order to publicly fund stadiums are also engaging in conspiracies.
I'd agree with snapper, "missing years" probably isn't likely, depending on what is meant by that. From the medieval period on (working backwards as it were) you do get into increasing difficulty dating events specifically, and even getting things in chronological order.
One of the more interesting papers I've heard, purely from a detective story perspective, was one on a particular crusade organized by a French nobleman in the 12th century (IIRC). The guy's assertion was that this was a purely "private" crusade (in that it did not have the support or encouragment of the Church), which goes against how it has been understand by historians so far. I don't remember the details, but the basis of that claim was an intense study of tracking the timing of news of a Christian defeat arriving from Turkey, dating the local stops on a provincial Papal tour, and pieceing together where relevant nobles, bishops, etc. were at given times during the relevant months. It was a very technical paper, but fascinating...especially for me coming from a field (the 17th century politics) where we usually know when everything happened to the day, if not in finer terms than that.
After Wilt, what's the fewest number of games fouled out by a player with a career of, say, at least 10 seasons?
The Middle Ages weren't some sort of massive gap in known history or advancement of civilization. It's just a period of time where Europe didn't lead the way. We know the proper accounting of years and history during the Middle Ages, because Baghdad was the Rome/Istanbul of the era.
The fact that Muslims were the primary innovators and civilized folks, while Christians in Europe were mucking about in pig ####, doesn't mean that civilization ended. The "Middle Ages" saw the invention of calculus and physics, more or less. It just too "Christendom" a thousand years to catch up.
I totally plead guilty to making an assumption of Eurocentrism in my question.
After the BCS Championship, a Notre Dame alum and 4 friends created a charity for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society in memory of the 'dead girlfriend'. Notre Dame sent a film crew to do an interview with the guy, and posted the video on their website on Tuesday.
To recap, in order:
Notre Dame supposedly knew it was a hoax on December 28.
After the game on January 7, the charity was set up.
After that, Notre Dame interviewed and filmed the guy.
On January 15, 2 weeks after they said they knew the girl didn't exist, Notre Dame posted the video on their official website, evidently to elicit donations to the charity.
Edited because I can't subtract dates.
That's how I read your question. For instance, maybe there was a King that reigned for a couple years in Denmark that's been forgotten? Or a year or two for which no one's found any source evidence of anything happening?
The other thing to keep in mind is that (depending on when you're talking about, the "Middle Ages" covers a very diverse period in European history), Europe wasn't all that "dark". And even when it was just a big pile of #### with barbarian thugs killing each other, you generally had the Church at least trying to keep a tab on things.
This is a big story because her life was a big story. If ESPN, NBC, and everyone else hadn't made such a big deal of Te'o "struggling" with the "twin tragedies" of losing his grandmother and "girlfriend", no one would have knows so much about her, and thus no one would now care that she doesn't exist.
Understood, and somewhat stipulated. Certainly we know less, definitively, about the princes and kings of Middle Ages Europe than we do about the lineages of Roman emperors or the Caliphates. But it's not like we're reading the history of the era via Beowulf or the Irish epics.
"Said to be", "thought to be", "his name is unknown", "otherwise unknown", "again caused confusion", "not known if", "it appears that". That sums up a lot of Medieval history, especially early on and in the geographic fringes. We know some stuff, we can guess at some stuff, and there's stuff that is a blank of something very close to it.
No, the scandal is that no one in any of the media organizations took 5 seconds to look for the girl's obituary when she "died".
Sorry, but all I see there is example #8861 of the overall misdirection of Big Sports Media, as it tries to "reach out to people who aren't necessarily interested in sports". Call it the Oprahfication of sports or whatever you want, but when it blows up in their faces my only reaction is a big fat grin.
This is a big story because her life was a big story. If ESPN, NBC, and everyone else hadn't made such a big deal of Te'o "struggling" with the "twin tragedies" of losing his grandmother and "girlfriend", no one would have knows so much about her, and thus no one would now care that she doesn't exist.
Totally agree there. See my above paragraph. It's too bad we can't take about 80% of the "sports media" and re-direct them to a more useful line of employment, like scrubbing crack house toilets with a toothbrush.
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