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Three reasons why Mets may not promote Peter Alonso this season | SNY

Service time and shoddy defense are the main reasons. He doesn’t even need to be added to the 40-Man Roster this year.

3) Concern that his fielding will overwhelm him, impact his bat and throw off his development
If I had to guess, I’d say while the above two reasons are a legit factor, it’s Alonso’s fielding that is the bigger issue for the Mets.

I’ve heard from countless scouts and player development people during the past six months that Alonso’s reactions and feet are slow in the field. His glove and arm are fine. He’s not Lucas Duda or even Pedro Alvarez, so there’s room for improvement. But, right now, he’s just a little slow, which is a concern when making the jump to MLB, where the game moves much faster than it does in Triple-A.

“I don’t think fans understand how quick things move up here compared to the minor leagues, and even Triple-A,” Michael Cuddyer told me in early 2016, after announcing his retirement. “Guys are just more prepared, everyone is more knowledgeable about what to do with the baseball. They’re the best in the world and you feel it when you arrive. And, it can be intimidating and possibly distracting for a young guy, especially kids that moved quick through the system.”

Alonso was drafted by the Mets at 21 years old out of college during the second round of the MLB draft in 2016. He advanced to Double-A as soon as the following summer. He was bumped to Triple-A in June of this season, where he’s hitting just .237, but with a .340 OBP and .522 slugging percentage with 15 HR and 12 doubles in 54 games. In addition to his powerful stats this past summer, he also represented the Mets during the Triple-A All Star Game, as well as the MLB Futures Game, where he turned heads by crushing monster home runs during an unofficial, pre-game home run derby and then hit a monster homer during the game.

It was just two and a half years ago that he was doing the same, but for the University of Florida.

As a result, there are lots of people around baseball, including some with the Mets, who wonder if Alonso is better served being marketed as a DH and traded to an American League team.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 20, 2018 at 02:14 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 20, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5730313)
Lucas Duda has been perfectly fine at first in his career. If Alonso is as good defensively as Duda is, he'll be good enough.
   2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 20, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5730320)
He was bumped to Triple-A in June of this season, where he’s hitting just .237, but with a .340 OBP and .522 slugging percentage with 15 HR and 12 doubles in 54 games.

I understand how one can look at the positive aspects of those stats, but they seem more like "emergency call-up stats", not the "ready for promotion" variety. The Mets aren't going anywhere this season, seems like the kid should benefit by finishing at AAA and then being evaluated in spring training.
   3. haven Posted: August 20, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5730334)
He was bumped to Triple-A in June of this season, where he’s hitting just .237, but with a .340 OBP and .522 slugging percentage with 15 HR and 12 doubles in 54 games.



I understand how one can look at the positive aspects of those stats, but they seem more like "emergency call-up stats", not the "ready for promotion" variety. The Mets aren't going anywhere this season, seems like the kid should benefit by finishing at AAA and then being evaluated in spring training.


mets are still in vegas, correct? i have this syracuse move in my head, but am pretty sure that is next year

the vegas context makes these stats make me think alonso would benefit from finishing the season in aaa and maybe even spending a month or so in syracuse to star next season
   4. Stormy JE Posted: August 20, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5730337)
mets are still in vegas, correct? i have this syracuse move in my head, but am pretty sure that is next year
Yup, they're moving this offseason.
   5. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 20, 2018 at 05:12 PM (#5730396)
where he’s hitting just .237, but with a .340 OBP and .522 slugging percentage with 15 HR and 12 doubles in 54 games.



I understand how one can look at the positive aspects of those stats, but they seem more like "emergency call-up stats", not the "ready for promotion" variety. The Mets aren't going anywhere this season, seems like the kid should benefit by finishing at AAA and then being evaluated in spring training.


He was pretty cold in his first month. Only hit .212 with only 3 home runs. He has 6 in both July and August. He has a .273/.364/.636 slash for August. I think he is worth a call up when they expand the rosters.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: August 20, 2018 at 05:24 PM (#5730403)
FWIW, Steamer currently projects 232/308/425, 100 wRC+. A BA of 232 seems optimistic given his current 237 at AAA but his BA has been over 300 at other levels so I'm guessing that's helping. His K-rate at other levels had also been about 18%, now it's jumped to 27%. All that said, he's being killed by a 264 BABIP. I agree, he hasn't put himself into to tippy top tier of prospects screaming for a call-up and should probably start next year at AAA. They still could take a look at him this Sept if they want but maybe a trip to the AZ Fall League would be a better idea. Plus, semi-seriously, they can try out Bruce at 1B this Sept and next spring to prep him to be the early 2019 placeholder while (hopefully) Alonso takes the final step.
   7. Bote Man Posted: August 20, 2018 at 05:48 PM (#5730415)
Related:

David Lennon @DPLennon
David Wright’s 20-day rehab assignment expires on Aug. 31, just in time for Sept. 1 roster expansion. Despite his incremental progress, signs point to him not getting a major-league AB this year.
   8. Stormy JE Posted: August 20, 2018 at 06:59 PM (#5730437)
Despite his incremental progress, signs point to him not getting a major-league AB this year.
Why not? If he's healthy enough to swing a bat in Port St. Lucie, why not during meaningless games in Citi?
   9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 20, 2018 at 08:28 PM (#5730469)
Wright's .118/.211/.118 at Port St. Lucie, 2 for 17 in 6 games. Unless he can shake off the rust, it would seem rather cruel to put him up against Major League pitching.
   10. Stormy JE Posted: August 20, 2018 at 08:39 PM (#5730478)
Unless he can shake off the rust, it would seem rather cruel to put him up against Major League pitching.
At this point, shouldn't that be up to Wright?
   11. Tin Angel Posted: August 20, 2018 at 09:10 PM (#5730491)
I really like David Wright as a person and a player, but...the Mets might want to consider using rosters spots for people that might actually help them in the future. #hottake
   12. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 20, 2018 at 10:13 PM (#5730508)
The Mets are getting most of Wright's salary back from insurance. From what I gather, activating him for September would cost the team several million dollars, and it wouldn't accomplish anything (other than making fans happy, but ownership doesn't seem too concerned with that).
   13. Stormy JE Posted: August 20, 2018 at 10:18 PM (#5730515)
From what I gather, activating him for September would cost the team several million dollars, and it wouldn't accomplish anything (other than making fans happy, but ownership doesn't seem too concerned with that).
If that's true, Wright could go 17 for 17 with 17 home runs in Port St. Lucie and he still wouldn't get called up.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: August 20, 2018 at 11:20 PM (#5730530)
But what happens at the end of the 20 days? I believe under CBA rules a rehab assignment has to be followed by reinstatement to the 25-man roster (or waivers to 40-man or DFA) ... or, if the player RE-injures themselves, back onto the DL. If Wright plays for 20 games, it will be hard to argue that he is re-injured. The insurance company will make the same argument of course. He's not insured against sucking, he's insured against injury. Also the possibility that if he is "healthy," he can force the issue. Barring a "genuine" re-injury before the end of the rehab assignment, I'd guess he'll be up with expanded rosters even if he does nothing but PH 6 times (maybe DH if they have any inter-league left).

I believe I've read somewhere that these insurance schemes usually don't cover the tail end of the contract anyway. If he's done and realizes he's done, this also allows scheduling David Wright day for a late Sept homestand then buy out the last 2/$27 of the contract.
   15. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 21, 2018 at 12:17 AM (#5730537)
Seeing top prospect (still?) Dominic Smith on the bench today while the Mets have a guy named "Reinheimer" starting in LF and batting 9th reminds us that calling up Alonso might not help the Mets either.
   16. formerly dp Posted: August 21, 2018 at 07:14 AM (#5730554)
I can see both sides in this. What I don't understand is the need to give Jay ####### Bruce playing time at 1b. In his last 4 years, Bruce has hit .240/.307/.464. Stretch that back to 2014 and he looks worse. At this point he doesn't deserve to start ahead of Flores, who has been the club's second best hitter to date (which, damning faint praise and all..). It's possible the plan is to let Wilmer walk this offseason, he'll be over $4m in arb next year, so maybe none of this matters, but it seems weird to push him to the bench in favor of a guy who has been demonstrably worse this year, and has less upside for next year.

Hoping they continue to give Plawecki the bulk of the playing time at C. He's doing essentially what he did last year with the bat--which is perfectly fine given how generally terrible catchers hit these days.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: August 21, 2018 at 09:08 AM (#5730581)
If that's true, Wright could go 17 for 17 with 17 home runs in Port St. Lucie and he still wouldn't get called up.


The insurance company might have something to say about that.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 21, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5730609)
He's not insured against sucking, he's insured against injury.

But, it's really tough to say when injury is causing the sucking, and when it is not.
   19. manchestermets Posted: August 21, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5730625)
He's not insured against sucking, he's insured against injury.

But, it's really tough to say when injury is causing the sucking, and when it is not.


Obviously none of us know the wording of the policy, but I'd be astonished if it didn't clearly define injury such that if a player takes the field he isn't regarded as injured, so that whatever is causing the sucking, if he's here to suck the insurance company aren't responsible.

I assume the insurance company must have the ability to call for an independent examination if they think a team's hiding a player away on endless rehab to avoid putting him on the roster and keep claiming the payments?
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 21, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5730630)
Obviously none of us know the wording of the policy, but I'd be astonished if it didn't clearly define injury such that if a player takes the field he isn't regarded as injured, so that whatever is causing the sucking, if he's here to suck the insurance company aren't responsible.

I assume the insurance company must have the ability to call for an independent examination if they think a team's hiding a player away on endless rehab to avoid putting him on the roster and keep claiming the payments?


I'm sure you're right about taking the field in MLB. But, if the injury has debilitated him to the point that he's awful in single-A, I don't think it's so clear.

To take it to the extreme, what if a player lost an arm. Two guys have played MLB missing an arm, but if I guy coudln't, would you not ascribe that to the injury?
   21. PreservedFish Posted: August 21, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5730634)
The quote above suggests that there is a proscribed limit to a rehab stint.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 21, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5730642)
The quote above suggests that there is a proscribed limit to a rehab stint.

Yes, but what if the team and their doctors say, "David Wright is physically incapable of playing professional baseball due to hi injury."

It's a mess with dueling doctors and probably ends in court.
   23. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 21, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5730675)
Two guys have played MLB missing an arm, but if I guy coudln't, would you not ascribe that to the injury?

OK. I will bite. Pete Grey. Who is the other? Are you talking Jim Abbott who was missing a hand?

Jimmy Stewart played Monty Stratton, who lost a leg, but he never made it back to majors after he lost the leg.
   24. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 21, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5730679)
If it includes Jim Abbott it should also include Chad Bentz.

I remember when Chad Bentz debuted and wondering why he got less than 0.01% the publicity of Jim Abbott. It was just a little detail at the end of the MLB News and Notes: The Expos called up a guy who, like Jim Abbott, only has one hand. What? Isn't that a big deal? Nope. I guess he wasn't as good as Jim Abbott either.
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 21, 2018 at 11:50 AM (#5730694)
OK. I will bite. Pete Grey. Who is the other? Are you talking Jim Abbott who was missing a hand?

Yes, Jim Abbott.

If it includes Jim Abbott it should also include Chad Bentz.

Huh, never heard of Bentz.

I remember when Chad Bentz debuted and wondering why he got less than 0.01% the publicity of Jim Abbott.

Well, Abbott was on the US Olympic team, and was a good to excellent major leaguer for several years.

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