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Thursday, May 15, 2008

THT: Studeman: Ten things I didn’t know last week

Lotsa good stuff from Studes…including the Michael Schell Database.

So, how do Rice and Belle compare? Here is a reprint of the results you’ll find in our database; the stats represent a “seasonal line” for each batter, based on playing in a neutral park between 1977 and 1992 (the most stable era in baseball history, according to Schell). The stats also reflect each player’s longevity.

Player       POS  Runs   HR  RBI   SB   BA  OBP  SLG  CBR Rank
Albert Belle OF     74   27   94   12 .286 .356 .522 23.5  126
Jim    Rice  OF     73   22   83    9 .288 .345 .475 20.9  216

“CBR” stands for “Career Batter Rating,” and it represents the number of runs above average that a player would have generated—similar to Linear Weights and Batting Runs. The player’s rank is based on CBR, adjusted for position.

Belle has the better ranking, and by a decent margin. The two have similar batting averages, but Belle is 10 points better in OBP and almost 50 points better in SLG. On Schell’s list, Belle is sandwiched between Wally Berger and Ken Singleton. Rice is lower, between Sammy Sosa and second baseman/outfielder Danny Murphy.

Repoz Posted: May 15, 2008 at 01:44 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: May 15, 2008 at 02:28 PM (#2781722)
Richie Ashburn laughs at James Loney.
   2. As foretold by the prophesy (JFSE) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 02:34 PM (#2781726)
Wait, there's no bonuses for Rice's fear or Jeter's jump? These aren't rankings!
   3. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 02:48 PM (#2781746)
For a scary moment, I thought that list was trying to tell me Joe Morgan was a better hitter than Jimmie Foxx.
   4. Mike Green Posted: May 15, 2008 at 02:58 PM (#2781753)
#80-#85 on Schell's list are in order: Dahlen, Bench, Lazzeri, Harrah, Paul Waner, Greenberg. Geez, I wonder how the HoM could possibly have left out Harrah? :)
   5. RobertMachemer Posted: May 15, 2008 at 03:08 PM (#2781767)
Does the ordering mechanism which puts Brett 30th and Boggs 32nd account for Brett's time at first base, or does it count everything as time at third?
   6. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: May 15, 2008 at 03:23 PM (#2781803)
   7. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 03:40 PM (#2781821)
What's with no WPA graphs for 1989-2001?
   8. zempf Posted: May 15, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2781823)
Weird that there's still a gap from '88-'02 in the Fangraphs DB. I wanted to lookup the graph of the Indians' comeback from 12 down to beat the Mariners in '01.
   9. studes Posted: May 15, 2008 at 06:14 PM (#2782070)
David is rolling out the graphs year-by-year. I'm sure he'll get to the '90's soon.

Does the ordering mechanism which puts Brett 30th and Boggs 32nd account for Brett's time at first base, or does it count everything as time at third?


That's a good question. The book doesn't give that level of detail regarding the position methodology.
   10. RMc is the loyal supporter of the MLB event Posted: May 15, 2008 at 09:14 PM (#2782558)
Is WPA dependent on the quality of the batter? Would a pitcher get more points with a walk-off grand slam than an all-star slugger would?
   11. RobertMachemer Posted: May 15, 2008 at 09:29 PM (#2782570)
RMc, I'm about 99% sure that WPA is not dependent on the quality of the batter.
   12. As foretold by the prophesy (JFSE) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 09:48 PM (#2782586)
And I'll confirm the other 1%. This is straight up difference in win% before and after the play, assuming everyone's average.

The sum of the errors gives a nice measure of how above or below average someone is.
   13. The New No. 2 Posted: May 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM (#2782630)
What is the greatest WPA a player has achieved in a single game? Does Sandberg own it at 1.077? That is pretty impressive.

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