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Monday, March 27, 2017

Tiebreaker, intentional walk rules added to minor league games

What has long been rumored is now true: Minor league games in the Gulf Coast, Arizona and Dominican Summer Leagues will all use international-style tiebreaker rules to eliminate lengthy extra-inning games. Once a game goes into extras, each successive inning will begin with a runner on second base.

That’s true in the 10th inning of regulation games, as well as the eighth inning of minor league doubleheaders, whose games are scheduled for just seven innings apiece. That differs from international-style tiebreaker rules, like those employed in the recent World Baseball Classic, which allow for one normal extra inning before placing runners on base. International rules also call for runners on first and second base, which almost certainly lead to the first batter bunting.

The new rules will not be used in the playoffs, but just in the regular season.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 27, 2017 at 02:30 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: March 27, 2017 at 02:44 PM (#5424227)
BOOOO. This is the single dumbest thing in the history of dumb things.

   2. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 27, 2017 at 02:55 PM (#5424231)
Dumber than ten Lasordas.
   3. Lassus Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:06 PM (#5424235)
#### this ####.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:06 PM (#5424236)
Why not just end the games in a tie? No one cares about the standings in those leagues.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:20 PM (#5424252)
Seems like it would skew ERAs some, for those that still rely on ERA.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:24 PM (#5424258)
Seems like it would skew ERAs some, for those that still rely on ERA.


Is the runner on second assigned to the pitcher of record when the inning begins? That would be pretty shitty.

   7. . Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5424264)
There are way better ideas to solve the pace of play problem, but I don't find this particularly absurd.
   8. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:30 PM (#5424266)
Wish that we could say the same about you.
   9. Baldrick Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5424267)
Why not just end the games in a tie? No one cares about the standings in those leagues.

Yeah, that's my feeling.
   10. Brian Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5424270)
I hate this. It's only 3 low level leagues for now but ... The Intentional walk think I'm OK with but the extra innings thing sucks.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:35 PM (#5424274)
Yeah, that's my feeling.


I suspect the owners feel like American sports fans simply won't accept ties, and need some resolution in their ballgames (as we saw with the NHL and college football). Thus, this.

Honestly, provided this never gets to the big leagues, the ridiculous and pointless IW rule change bothers me a hell of a lot more.
   12. jmurph Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:38 PM (#5424278)
I will not rest until my ghost man proposal is implemented. How can we possibly justify wasting additional time watching real human runners in extra innings rather than ghost men?
   13. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:46 PM (#5424288)
Is the runner on second assigned to the pitcher of record when the inning begins? That would be pretty shitty.


It is, but I believe it is unearned. I recall looking at the box score from the NED/PUR semi final. the Dutch pitcher got the loss, and a run, but not an ER.
   14. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:49 PM (#5424291)
SUCKS!
   15. Moeball Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5424292)
Well, trying to find a silver lining on what seems like a silly idea for extra innings, but, two things that I could see might get some improvement from this:

1)Bunting - many major league players, including pitchers, can't bunt worth sh*t - and, granted, it's rare that a really good bunt is needed to turn a game, but there are occasions where it is the skill that is especially needed. If it's extra innings and you start the inning with a man on second and no one out, having a good bunter means a man on third with one out and you don't even need a hit to score the go-ahead run. Teams need more practice on this and this new rule will hopefully give it to them at the lower minor league level.

2)In the era of relief pitchers only going one inning per game and always starting an inning fresh with no runners on base, whether it's the team's closer, or 8th inning specialist, or whatever - relief pitchers these days go crazy if they are asked to come into a game with runners on base. They really need to be able to come into games with runners on base and get out of the situation anyways without someone scoring. It's difficult, but it's what great relievers from the past had to do, from Wilhelm to Fingers to Gossage, etc. At least some relievers will get a lot of practice at pitching from the stretch under these rules. And they need it.

Is the runner on second assigned to the pitcher of record when the inning begins?


Also - where does the runner on second come from? Who is selected as the runner - how do you score the game showing that the runner reached second? Do you credit some batter with a double?
   16. . Posted: March 27, 2017 at 03:54 PM (#5424298)
In the era of relief pitchers only going one inning per game and always starting an inning fresh with no runners on base, whether it's the team's closer, or 8th inning specialist, or whatever - relief pitchers these days go crazy if they are asked to come into a game with runners on base.


Feature, not bug. The rule would change bullpen usage patterns in a positive way, as well as at the margins stop some teams from keeping an extra pitcher. Let the manager pick anyone on his bench to run, and you'd see the extra pitcher eliminated by a bunch of teams in favor of a fast bench guy who can serve as the extra inning runner. (*)

Hard to see the downside to that.

I predict that if this makes the major leagues, fans will grow to like it a lot. The thing about baseball being "timeless" is one of those romantic-esque things that few people will actually miss.

(*) I'd actually let the same guy run in the 11th, 12th, etc. Perfect chance to de facto adopt Charlie Finley's designated runner rule.
   17. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5424303)
Also - where does the runner on second come from? Who is selected as the runner - how do you score the game showing that the runner reached second? Do you credit some batter with a double?


In the NED/PUR game, the runner on first was the last batter in the previous inning, and the runner on second was the one before him. No idea how they account for them being on base.
   18. Boxkutter Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:02 PM (#5424305)
Also - where does the runner on second come from? Who is selected as the runner - how do you score the game showing that the runner reached second? Do you credit some batter with a double?

Good question. Is it just the first batter up in the inning? I could see a player getting pissed if they were hitless and then lose a chance at an AB by being placed on 2B.

I hate rules that fundamentally change how the game is played. I'm all for speeding up the pace, but don't do it by changing the rules at different points in the game.
   19. jmurph Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:03 PM (#5424308)
If the ghost runner doesn't score for two consecutive innings, we go to pitching machines. Wasting time on balls/strikes, waiting for pitchers to get set and then pitch, stepping off for pick-offs, etc., is pretty unconscionable, particularly in extra innings.

This is honestly all very, very obvious stuff.
   20. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5424314)
I suspect the owners feel like American sports fans simply won't accept ties, and need some resolution in their ballgames (as we saw with the NHL and college football). Thus, this.


I'd much rather have a real tie than a fake win.

If this is that big a ####### deal, just suspend the game after X number of innings/hours, and pick it back up later.
   21. Spahn Insane Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5424323)
Yeah. No. Just, no.
   22. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:21 PM (#5424327)
From TFA, the rule -- stupid as it is -- is that the player in the batting order spot immediately preceding the leadoff hitter is the one who goes to 2nd... which I guess could lead to some interesting tactical double-switches to get the fastest runner available into that lineup spot before the inning ends. Not that that's a good reason for the rule, just a possible outcome.
   23. jmurph Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5424331)
Truthfully, we should just be able to sim extra innings anyway. This has been available in video games for, what, two decades or more?
   24. . Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:37 PM (#5424342)
From TFA, the rule -- stupid as it is -- is that the player in the batting order spot immediately preceding the leadoff hitter is the one who goes to 2nd... which I guess could lead to some interesting tactical double-switches to get the fastest runner available into that lineup spot before the inning ends. Not that that's a good reason for the rule, just a possible outcome.


It could.

I like the designated runner idea better. But the strategy could be interesting even with the rule as proposed.

People will warm to the rule, if adopted. Committed traditionalists committed to tradition for tradition's sake likely won't. While continuing to miss the simple point that tradition for tradition's sake has brought us to the point of 13-man American League pitching staffs.
   25. Greg Pope Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:51 PM (#5424356)
I guess could lead to some interesting tactical double-switches to get the fastest runner available into that lineup spot before the inning ends.

I don't think so. If it's the batting order spot then there's no rule that it has to be the guy who finished the last inning. Even if it was, you can presumably just use a pinch runner anyway.
   26. . Posted: March 27, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5424360)
I don't think so. If it's the batting order spot then there's no rule that it has to be the guy who finished the last inning. Even if it was, you can presumably just use a pinch runner anyway.


Right, but what if it's the cleanup spot and the Big Papi of 2021? Do you stick 2021 Papi out there, or a pinch runner?

I could see teams being very loath to put a guy out there in the 10th who can't score easily on a single. Or move to third effectively on a bunt. Or score from third on a fly to the OF. Etc. If it's the top of the 10th, the run is even more important given that the bottom of the 10th is going to start with a man on second.
   27. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: March 27, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5424386)
It's official: the terrorists have won.

Like in this video. (TRIGGER WARNING: It's damn creepy.)

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