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Wednesday, February 08, 2012

Tigers’ Dombrowski confident in Fielder’s longevity

Just take Bill James’ findings, throw them down a steep ravine into a shallow grave covered with leaves…that won’t be found until a man walking his dog stumbles upon them.

The Tigers’ general manager spoke Tuesday as part of a Detroit Sports Broadcasters Association luncheon, expressing confidence new first baseman Prince Fielder can stay productive through most if not all of his expensive nine-year contract.

Detroit signed the hefty slugger to a $214 million deal last month. Dombrowski acknowledges the risk but points out that the hefty slugger is only 27.

“The prime of your career is what, through 32, 33?” Dombrowski said. “That’s seven of the nine years already, and my gut reaction is that this guy will continue to swing the bat. How his body will look in nine years or seven years, I really don’t know. He is a heavy-set guy but he’s also become more aware of trying to keep himself in the best shape he possibly can.”

...The Tigers acquired Fielder to help them try to defend their AL Central title after designated hitter Victor Martinez went down with a severe left knee injury. Fielder and Miguel Cabrera should form a potent middle of the batting order, but the move did create some complications. Detroit is set to shift Cabrera from first base to third to make room for Fielder.

“There’s very few guys that are Gold Glovers and are batting champions and All-Stars from an offensive perspective. They’re called Hall of Famers - and even some Hall of Famers have had some shortcomings of one area or another,” Dombrowski said. “We think Miguel will be adequate at third base from a defensive perspective. I don’t mean to say he’s going to be a Gold Glover. ... He’s got good hands, he’s got a strong arm, he wants to play there and he’ll work very hard at it.”

Repoz Posted: February 08, 2012 at 06:30 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Double-Spin Mechanic Posted: February 08, 2012 at 07:23 AM (#4056166)
I am a Tiger fan and it is really frustrating watching them stumble around, trying to find the worst arrangement they can for the talent they have. I even heard Dombrowski say the other day "We don't have a DH." Dave, you have at least 3 (4 if Martinez counts). If you are planning for Victor's return, you stick Cabrera in right, Boesch in left, and DH Young (who is both a butcher and to whom you only have a 1-year arb commitment). If you're planning just for this year, the two fatties alternate at first/DH. How is this in any way mysterious?
   2. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) Posted: February 08, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4056207)
He is a heavy-set guy but he’s also become more aware of trying to keep himself in the best shape he possibly can.”


Yep, just like his daddy, Mo Vaughn, Boog Powell, Dmitri Young, and countless others have done.
   3. Smyly Smile (Walewander) Posted: February 08, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4056208)
Given that Victor has to have microfracture surgery, it's a real open question whether he'll ever get back to his 2011 level, which makes it a better signing. Agree on the deployment, though. I hope it;s just happy talk for now. I think one of the big guys is at DH by May.

Young in left is what really drives me nuts - why this pretense he can do it? I still hold out hope they move him for a P or an infielder.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 08, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4056212)
Dombrowski acknowledges the risk but points out that the hefty slugger is only 27.

“The prime of your career is what, through 32, 33?” Dombrowski said. “That’s seven of the nine years already


What kind of math is this?

He was 27 last year. And in any case 27 to 33 is six years.

Not to mention, since when is peak through 32?

Somebody's not smoking the objective pipe.
   5. Lassus Posted: February 08, 2012 at 10:14 AM (#4056229)
And in any case 27 to 33 is six years.

WELLLLL 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 is seven years. I mean, technically, you can get seven years out of it if you squint and forget he'll be 27 for all of one month of this year's season.
   6. just plain joe Posted: February 08, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4056282)
Somebody's not smoking the objective pipe.


What is he supposed to say, "we really screwed the pooch big time with this one"?
   7. Smyly Smile (Walewander) Posted: February 08, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4056288)
Just like he should have said with the Pudge and Magglio signings, which were roundly bashed round here? Those worked out pretty well.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 08, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4056291)
What is he supposed to say, "we really screwed the pooch big time with this one"?

"Prince makes us immediate World Series contenders. We intend to win now."
   9. Smyly Smile (Walewander) Posted: February 08, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4056297)
#8 nails it. Unfortunately, while I think that was a good reason to make the move, and overall I like the move for that reason, I don't think the Tigers are much more likely to win in 2012 than they were in 2011.
   10. The District Attorney Posted: February 08, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4056301)
What is he supposed to say, "we really screwed the pooch big time with this one"?
Cashman would have.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 08, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4056315)
Cashman would have.

Cashman seems to be on the express trolley to loonyville.

I wonder if he survives professionally his personal meltdown.
   12. The Good Face Posted: February 08, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4056333)
Cashman would have.

Cashman seems to be on the express trolley to loonyville.

I wonder if he survives professionally his personal meltdown.


I sure hope so. His job performance hasn't really suffered since he became crazy, and he's SO much more fun now that he just says whatever the hell he's thinking.
   13. Something Other Posted: February 08, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4056404)
Wrt Cashman, now that the Yankees are backing away from the only thing that made them perennial contenders, his crazy is going to start becoming more of an issue.

If you win, you're eccentric. If you lose, you're nuts.

Anyway, if he hasn't blown his savings on dotty Brits he'll have a few million in the bank, and he's been decent enough that there's another gig in his future after the Yanks eventually cut him loose.
   14. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: February 08, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4056410)
Wrt Cashman, now that the Yankees are backing away from the only thing that made them perennial contenders, his crazy is going to start becoming more of an issue.


What are they backing away from? They seem to be working harder on keeping the kids than they were a few years ago and for all the hubbub about them not spending money they signed Kuroda and spent $100 million to keep Sabathia.

Any predictions of the Yankees being anything less than perennial contenders seem like a fool's errand to me.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 08, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4056420)
What are they backing away from? They seem to be working harder on keeping the kids than they were a few years ago and for all the hubbub about them not spending money they signed Kuroda and spent $100 million to keep Sabathia.

Any predictions of the Yankees being anything less than perennial contenders seem like a fool's errand to me.


Concur.

Backing down from ~$200-210M payroll to ~$190-200M is just not that big a deal.
   16. toratoratora Posted: February 08, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4056428)
Cashman would have.

Cashman seems to be on the express trolley to loonyville.

I wonder if he survives professionally his personal meltdown.


Yeah-Cashman's lunacy worked so poorly he signed a 3 yr, 9 million dollar extension in November.
   17. Something Other Posted: February 08, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4056431)
Just tweaking Yankee Redneck. Still and all, I'll be interested to see the Yankees adjust to dropping payroll by 25m-30m or so (assuming that in the absence of luxury tax issues they would have kept increasing payroll by a consistent % each year), if that's what they do.

   18. Srul Itza Posted: February 08, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4056554)
Not to mention, since when is peak through 32?


He said prime, not peak. A player peaks at 27 or 28, but his prime is normally a longer period than that.
   19. Tricky Dick Posted: February 08, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4056565)
This reminds me of what Phil Garner said when the Astros signed Carlos Lee; it was something on the order of, "he's not fat; he just has big bones."
   20. cpass Posted: February 08, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4056699)
What is he supposed to say, "we really screwed the pooch big time with this one"?

Yeah, articles like this drive me nuts. Why do we need to read this dreck? Really, does Dombrowski say, "I'm confident in Fielder's longevity," or does he say, "Hey, look, I know this is going to really suck long before it's over, but Ilitch made me do it?" Hmmm, let's see...I suspect the man wants to keep his job, so he chooses Option 2. Duh.
   21. Something Other Posted: February 11, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4058759)
Doesn't seem to bother Brian Cashman much. I'd rather hear Dombo say something like, "yeah, I'd spent the week getting bombed on Scotch and when I came to, I couldn't believe I'd done it. I can't believe I'm still employed, either. You're not taping this, are you?"

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