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Monday, April 07, 2014

Tigers pitcher Evan Reed investigated for sexual assault in Detroit

My Fox Detroit reports that Detroit Tigers right-hander Evan Reed is being investigated by police for involvement in a sexual assault March 30, the day before the team opened the 2014 season at Comerica Park. Detroit police confirmed that a complaint has been made and they’re in the process of interviewing the alleged victim. A full investigation is expected to take perhaps two weeks.

The Tigers released a statement calling the allegation “very serious” and “concerning,” but would not add a further comment at this time.

Reed’s attorney, David Gorcyca, also released a statement that said in part:

  “We are very confident that once a thorough and full investigation is completed, Mr. Reed will have nothing to fear. During the infancy of this investigation, no one should formulate any conclusions that a crime has been committed.”

Repoz Posted: April 07, 2014 at 09:33 PM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lars6788 Posted: April 08, 2014 at 06:28 AM (#4681647)
"According to the source, a 45-year-old woman told police that she had met Reed at Fifth Avenue bar in Royal Oak. The source said the woman told police she believes she was drugged, coming to in a Motor City Casino hotel room while being sexually assaulted by Reed. She reported the alleged assault to police the next day and was tested for drugs, but the results are not back, the source said.

Video surveillance footage shows the woman getting out of a cab with Reed at the casino and her struggling to stand and walk, according to the source. A security guard, who helped Reed into his room because he did not have his key, said the woman appeared to be intoxicated, the source said.

The woman told police that Reed at some point told her to leave his room, according to the source."

http://www.freep.com/article/20140407/SPORTS02/304070148/Reed-Tigers-sexual-assault
   2. PASTE does not get put on waivers in August Posted: April 08, 2014 at 08:54 AM (#4681674)
There is something astonishingly, appallingly ###### up about a major league baseball player drugging and raping a 45-year-old woman. This is a macabre and weird story.
   3. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 08, 2014 at 08:59 AM (#4681680)
zeth

Darren sharper (the football player) is facing rape charges with the same m.o.

i am at a loss to try and describe this reprehensible behavior. there are no adjectives powerful enough to condemn these actions
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:23 AM (#4681690)
The Mariners are said to be interested in acquiring him.
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:30 AM (#4681700)
Josh Lueke is unimpressed.
   6. Jose Bautista Bobblehead Day Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:52 AM (#4681722)
Multiple women accuse Bill Cosby of drugging and assaulting them: http://gawker.com/who-wants-to-remember-bill-cosbys-multiple-sex-assaul-1515923178.
   7. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:03 AM (#4681735)
Well, that sucks. I hope they can get to the truth of the situation, whatever it might be.
   8. The_Ex Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4681739)
The problem is, it is generally very hard to prove guilt.
   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:12 AM (#4681743)
The problem is, it is generally very hard to prove guilt.


Hard, but not necessarily impossible. For instance, if they do find drugs in her tox screen, that'd be fairly strong evidence.
   10. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4681802)
Video surveillance footage shows the woman getting out of a cab with Reed at the casino and her struggling to stand and walk, according to the source. A security guard, who helped Reed into his room because he did not have his key, said the woman appeared to be intoxicated, the source said.

It appears there is a lot of evidence to support the claim.
   11. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4681818)
Gross. #### that guy.
   12. altavista Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4681854)
I think these are hard to understand (for a normal man) because the motive isn't sex. Or only sex. The motive is power.* They don't merely want to get their rocks off, they want to - hard to come up with a word - but utterly dominate the woman. Given that the motive isn't just sex, they can't be satisfied by just banging the young groupies that hang around MLB players like most of us would do.

* Power isn't really right either, I don't think. Again, it's hard to put into words. It just seems like these guys aren't simply looking for a lay. If you're a normal, lustful man, you think first and foremost about the sex. At least I tend to. The key to understanding it is in understanding that the sex motive, which you would think is foremost, isn't the main goal. I'm happy to say I'm not real sure what the main goal of such behavior is.

   13. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4681856)
Power and violence, yes.
   14. Rickey! No. You move. Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4681869)
Right. This sort of thing is always based in violent misogyny, not sexual desire.
   15. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4681909)
I will assume that Reed is not guilty unless and until it is proven otherwise. If he turns out to be guilty, I've got no use for him.
   16. RMc is Fairly Irrefutable Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4681911)
Right. This sort of thing is always based in violent misogyny, not sexual desire.

Saying that rape has nothing to do with sex is like saying bank robbery has nothing to do with money.
   17. base ball chick Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4682004)
16. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4681911)

Right. This sort of thing is always based in violent misogyny, not sexual desire.

Saying that rape has nothing to do with sex is like saying bank robbery has nothing to do with money


- not exactly a real too good example
the ONLY motive behind robbing a bank is getting the money, not terrifying customers. not getting to shoot bank employees/security guards

the only motive behind a 28 year old man drugging, then raping a 45 year old female is not just getting to ejaculate. and really only on jerry springer are 28 year old men physically attracted to 45 year old women (unless they are very rich, but then it is the $$$). and you could hardly call it - a chance to impregnate, neither. you don't get real too much chance with a female that old
   18. geonose Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4682011)
Saying that rape has nothing to do with sex is like saying bank robbery has nothing to do with money

Nobody said it had nothing to do with sex. However, the main motive isn't sex. Usually the perpetrator has a deep desire to dominate combined with profound insecurity and a desire to degrade others. Rape is an act to prove to themselves that they can exert their will on another in the most humiliating way possible.
   19. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4682098)
Interesting that both Reed and Lueke were teammates for 4 years (2007-2010). Similar type of allegations in both cases. You begin to wonder how many unreported rapes occurred in Spokane, Clinton, Bakersfield, and Frisco during that timeframe.
   20. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 08, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4682147)
The problem is, it is generally very hard to prove guilt.

The standard is the same for all criminal offenses - beyond a reasonable doubt. It's a centuries old standard, and prosecutors haven't really had that hard a time convicting the guilty, even though society has clearly decided that is better for some guilty individuals to go free rather than make it too easy to convict the innocent.

I know this is the Internet, where snap judgments are the norm, but a proper investigation should make it clear whether or not charges are warranted.
   21. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 09, 2014 at 02:01 AM (#4682620)
It appears there is a lot of evidence to support the claim.


How does this evidence supports her contention she was raped. The evidence clearly supports two possible events.

1) That he drugged her in a public bar, openly took her to his hotel room ensuring there were lots of witnesses, then sexually assaulted her in his room, and kicked her out.

2) That they both got drunk, went back to his room, had consensual sex, argued, he kicked her out, and she is claiming drugging/rape because her memory is extremely fuzzy and she thought he was a jerk.

if the blood test cones back positive, there is your smoking gun. But barring that or a confession looks like he said-she said.
   22. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 03:27 AM (#4682623)
Fwiw, I can say from personal experience that these types of things are very difficult to prove. A tox screen won't even help. Those drugs are out of your system within hours. There are a lot of reported incidents that never amount to a conviction or even arrest because tey end up as a "he said-she said", though that doesn't automatically mean that nothing happened.

In short, if I were female, I'd never trust a male, especially one met at a bar. Seriously.
   23. PASTE does not get put on waivers in August Posted: April 09, 2014 at 08:20 AM (#4682648)
By the way--this is a serious question--when did "raped" become "sexually assaulted", and how and why? I have a hard time understanding why we as a language group decided it necessary to replace a one-syllable word with a seven-syllable phrase, and it's annoying to read, say or type. If there's a good reason why I should say "sexually assaulted" instead of "raped" I'm willing to consider it.

I understand why we've replaced, for instance, "retarded" with "learning disabled", but this doesn't seem on the surface like a matter of sensitivity.

On topic, #21 is spot on and that's why #22 is spot on. Never accept a drink that you didn't personally watch all the way from the bartender's hand to yours, ever. Not a bad rule for guys to follow either, for that matter.
   24. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4682675)
By the way--this is a serious question--when did "raped" become "sexually assaulted", and how and why?


"Rape" is a term with specific legal implications, and in at least some states, it doesn't cover things that an average person might consider to be rape, such as digital penetration or penetration with an object. At least as far as the media is concerned, they're probably just trying to maintain a high degree of technical accuracy in their choice of words.
   25. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 08:57 AM (#4682677)
Interesting that both Reed and Lueke were teammates for 4 years (2007-2010). Similar type of allegations in both cases. You begin to wonder how many unreported rapes occurred in Spokane, Clinton, Bakersfield, and Frisco during that timeframe.


Jesus, that's an unpleasant thought. Probably worth looking into...
   26. PASTE does not get put on waivers in August Posted: April 09, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4682683)
"Rape" is a term with specific legal implications, and in at least some states, it doesn't cover things that an average person might consider to be rape, such as digital penetration or penetration with an object. At least as far as the media is concerned, they're probably just trying to maintain a high degree of technical accuracy in their choice of words.


That's a sensible explanation, but it's gone beyond the media and entered general usage, even in cases where what is being discussed is obviously no-doubt rape (evidence: this thread).

I personally do not like treating any kind of unwanted sexual contact as something less than forcible rape and punishable as such (acknowledging that I disagree with society, or at least the law, about this).
   27. Rickey! No. You move. Posted: April 09, 2014 at 09:07 AM (#4682687)
The standard is the same for all criminal offenses - beyond a reasonable doubt.


For a man.

It's a centuries old standard,


Written by men, for men.

and prosecutors haven't really had that hard a time convicting the guilty


Excepting the vast numbers of rapes that go unprosecuted every year because of slut-shaming and "she was asking for it" rationale.
   28. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: April 09, 2014 at 10:28 AM (#4682775)

Excepting the vast numbers of rapes that go unprosecuted every year because of slut-shaming and "she was asking for it" rationale.


Allegedly.
   29. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 09, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4682776)
Re: #12 - I've always wondered the same thing about guys who pay disgusting, pock-marked, meth-addicted hookers for sex. Lots of these guys simply have sex and move on, so it wouldn't seem to be about power or domination. I just can't imagine having such a poor imagination that a guy couldn't make a better experience out of getting myself off.
   30. Rickey! No. You move. Posted: April 09, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4682816)
Allegedly.


Round and round.
   31. The Good Face Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:10 AM (#4682833)
Excepting the vast numbers of rapes that go unprosecuted every year because of slut-shaming and "she was asking for it" rationale.


Allegedly.


They happened because Sam needs to BELIEVE they happened.
   32. GregD Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4682841)
It is uncontroversial that our system is premised upon the idea that letting the guilty go free is better than jailing the innocent. Since it is impossible to achieve perfect rulings, it is tilted against conviction. That's the goal.

The degree to which guilty people get off varies by all kinds of things. But no one seriously thinks that everyone who isn't convicted is innocent. If that's true, then the entire system is failing to accomplish what it designed to accomplish.
   33. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4682884)
Any man who doesn't believe many, if not most, rapes go unreported seriously needs to grow up. I couldn't tell you how many women I've known over the years who were either molested as a child, sexually abused or outright raped, and none of them reported it.
   34. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4682914)
Any man who doesn't believe many, if not most, rapes go unreported seriously needs to grow up. I couldn't tell you how many women I've known over the years who were either molested as a child, sexually abused or outright raped, and none of them reported it.

I'm sure you are correct. There is a big problem though, that many/most acquaintance rapes are effectively impossible to prosecute.

If a woman voluntarily goes to a man's home, or invites him to her home, and he rapes her (either through force, drugs, extreme drunkenness or threat) without any physical evidence of violence/drugs, it is going to be impossible to prove that it was rape rather than consensual.

There's no redress possible for that in the legal system.
   35. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 09, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4682993)
#34- for sure.

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