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Tigers Pitching Coach Chris Bosio fired for “insensitive comments”

Detroit Tigers pitching coach Chris Bosio was fired for “insensitive comments” to a team employee per the article.  Why is this person not described as a co-worker?  Because Bosio is in the dugout and this person is not?  And Bosio is the same clown, I mean person, who insinuated that Eric Thames was using PEDs when Thames was on a hot streak.

Master of the Horse Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:04 AM | 44 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:46 AM (#5701318)
Yeah, I assume this is a non-dugout/clubhouse person.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:55 AM (#5701321)
Anyone have any idea what he actually said? All the reports I've seen are vague. "Insensitive comments" covers a really wide range of options.
   3. Master of the Horse Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:59 AM (#5701325)
On twitter rumor is stuff was racist
   4. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 09:09 AM (#5701332)
“Kanye’s music is ####.”
   5. The Honorable Ardo Posted: June 28, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5701348)
Saddened, but not surprised.

Bosio's last year with the Cubs was ugly; he made the comments about Thames (which infuriated Maddon and the front office), he missed long stretches of the season for vague "personal reasons", and the staff did far worse in 2017 than in 2016. Part of it was BABIP regression, but some things - like Justin Wilson's complete collapse after being acquired from the Tigers - were glaring blots on his record.

I sense the racist remarks that got him fired were not a one-time slip-up, but a pattern of behavior that could no longer be ignored.
   6. Master of the Horse Posted: June 28, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5701372)
I don't know about how upset the Cubs could have been since nobody in the organization ever apologized for the Thames comments. Not Bosio, not Maddon, not anybody. Cubs front office pretty good playing media so figure this whole we were shocked and appalled campaign is just for the writers who don't have the follow up thing mastered
   7. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 11:55 AM (#5701484)
"Can we get some crackers for the postgame spread?" seemed like an innocent comment at the time.
   8. Batman Posted: June 28, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5701517)
"Can we get some crackers for the postgame spread?" seemed like an innocent comment at the time.
"And don't be niggardly with the Easy Cheese!"
   9. perros Posted: June 28, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5701538)
While I only read it for thr articles, I did note espn's Body issue had a pic of Puig jumping in the air with an idiotic grin and an old-fashioned box of peanuts strapped around his neck.

Maybe it's just me, but I was incensed.
   10. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 28, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5701601)
I really hope fat jokes don't become politically incorrect on BFT in my lifetime. Those are gold.
   11. Zach Posted: June 28, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5701608)
Perpetuating the false and hurtful claim that belly-itchers can't be pitchers.
   12. BrianBrianson Posted: June 28, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5701618)
If you get real fat, you'll probably always be safe making fat jokes.
   13. Spahn Insane Posted: June 28, 2018 at 04:21 PM (#5701767)
I did note espn's Body issue

In light of this comment's coming in the middle of the Bosio discussion, I suppose I should be grateful the body issue doesn't feature him.
   14. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: June 28, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5701770)
I was at Tuesday's game, so I feel honored to have witnessed Bosio's final game with the Tigers. Never mind that I had completely forgotten he was with the team until he waddled out to the mound to chat with an imploding Blaine Hardy and I mistakenly thought it was Gardenhire coming out to pull Hardy.
   15. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:00 PM (#5701891)
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:06 PM (#5701895)
Bosio's side of the story.

If Bosio has witnesses that corroborate his story (and he would have to, if the story is at all true), this is a bad firing. He's going to get paid.

If Bosio is lying, it's a really stupid lie.
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:13 PM (#5701898)
I assume this is a non-dugout/clubhouse person.

I assumed he had told the buffet guy, "Not Little Caesars again!", but #15 suggests otherwise.
   18. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:17 PM (#5701903)
It also could be both. I can see a scenario where Bosio’s story is true but not the entire story and he popped off to the clubbie. It’s also possible that there have been other reported incidents but without a witness and they are using this one to move him out.

If this genuinely is all there is then yeah, the TIgers are in it pretty deep.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:21 PM (#5701906)
It also could be both. I can see a scenario where Bosio’s story is true but not the entire story and he popped off to the clubbie. It’s also possible that there have been other reported incidents but without a witness and they are using this one to move him out.

If so, they were really dumb to make it explicitly about "racially insensitive comments". They should have just said he wasn't able to get along with other members of the organization. Accusing him of being a racist is potentially slanderous.
   20. dlf Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:57 PM (#5701931)
If so, they were really dumb to make it explicitly about "racially insensitive comments".


Note that the Tigers' press release leaves out one word. They say it was "insensitive comments."
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 09:01 PM (#5701936)
Note that the Tigers' press release leaves out one word. They say it was "insensitive comments."

Well, the racist angle got out pretty quickly. Who else besides the Tigers or their employees would know that?
   22. Cooper Nielson Posted: June 28, 2018 at 11:37 PM (#5702026)
From the article in #15:

"Someone in our coaches' room asked me [Monday afternoon] about Stumpf,'' Bosio told USA Today. "And I said, "Oh, you mean 'Spider Monkey.' That's his nickname. He's a skinny little white kid who makes all of these funny faces when he works out.

Only in Chris Bosio's world is Daniel Stumpf "skinny." Of course, compared to Chris Bosio, Bartolo Colon is skinny too.

He did a good job with the Tigers' pitchers though.
   23. Stevis Posted: June 29, 2018 at 12:09 AM (#5702034)
   24. Shibal Posted: June 29, 2018 at 12:43 AM (#5702039)
If my nickname was Spider Monkey, I'd deny it as well.
   25. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: June 29, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5702106)
there's never just one "insensitive comment".
there's never just one victim of sexual harassment or assault or coercion.

this stuff doesn't come out of thin air. there's always a pattern, there's always a history.

   26. Rusty Priske Posted: June 29, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5702126)
"I wasn't even talking about him!"

Uh, yeah. OK. If you were going to try to use that as your cover, you should have cleared it with Stumpf first.
   27. TomH Posted: June 29, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5702138)
25, tell that to my dad, who was counter-sued for sexual harrassment by a woman tryng to get out of being fired for repeated theft
   28. TJ Posted: June 29, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5702148)
From my little corner of the HR world...

"Zero Tolerance" does not mean "automatic termination". it means "automatic disciplinary action". If...

Case 1- Bosio's story is true: Bosio would still be cited for careless use of language, put through some sort of sensitivity training, have the incident noted in his personnel file, and be told not to do it again.

Case 2- This was a one-time occurrence that was seen as inappropriate: Discipline could range from some sort of suspension and required sensitivity training and probation to immediate termination. For someone in a comparable position to Bosio, it would probably fall short of termination.

Case 3- This is a pattern of behavior or repeated behavior after being warned about it: Canned like a tuna regardless of who they are.

Judging by the Tigers response, I doubt it was case 1, and case 2 is iffy.

   29. Omineca Greg Posted: June 29, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5702175)
There's so much wrong with this spider monkey thing, I don't know where to begin.

First off, spider monkeys are New World monkeys. If Chris was like trying to be insensitive to a Maya, then a spider monkey would have been the right call. But as it was, he blew it.

But I think Chris Bosio knows absolutely jack #### against primates (from the looks of him, he seems to be more of a porcine, bovine, domesticated fowl kind of specialist, amirite?). Spider monkeys have no thumbs, well a vestigial thumb, which is nothing like "vestal", if you have trouble telling them apart, remember this little rhyme...

If you have a vestigial appendage you visit a surgeon
But if you wanna get vestal, you look for a virgin
If you have vestigial problems it might be your appendix
If you have vestal problems you get help from a pontifex
Vestigiality can help you when you try to prove evolution
Vestalality keeps the fire burning, which causes pollution

You're welcome.

Anyway, spider monkeys have no thumbs to speak of, so I would imagine among all the primates, they would be the worst pitchers. Everyone here knows Mordecai Brown, but Eddie "No Thumb" Rand is known to only a precious few.

There once was a pitcher named Rand
Who was lacking a thumb on his pitching hand
Although he could throw really hard
And he kept the ball in the yard
He walked a hundred batters to each one he fanned

So, unless Strumpf has a K/BB approaching 1:100, it's not an apt comparison. He should have picked one of the many monkeys with thumbs, like a langur or a surili. Personally, I think he's getting into the weeds on this whole spider monkey nickname thing, but what do I know, I'm not a big time pitching coach like him. Oh never mind, he isn't one anymore either. I don't know anything about pitching, but I know enough not to compare people to monkeys, so in this one very important way, I would make a better pitching coach than him.

And one more thing.

I really try to bring some class, decorum, and dare I say chastity to every thing I write.

It is not like me to dwell on the attributes of animal genitals. Animals don't need that. They already walk around naked, which is embarrassing enough, they don't need the peanut gallery commenting on their nads.

Presumably, nobody here needs any edification in this regard, one can only assume if you are interested in such a thing, you keep yourself informed in a discrete and temperate fashion.

But spider monkeys don't live in the temperate.

They live in the tropics.

So this one detail may have escaped your attention. I can't help but feel that I would be remiss, if I didn't comment on a startling, dare I say...beguiling...aspect of the spider monkey anatomy. Especially Geoffroy's spider monkey. No, that isn't a spider monkey owned by some dude named Geoff, it's a particular species of spider monkey.

I'll just come right out and say it.

Spider monkeys have very large clitorises. Very large. Geoffroy's spider monkey clitorises are in fact, bigger than the Geoffroy's spider monkey penises.

What was Chris Bosio thinking?
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 29, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5702179)
And it's not even 9 a.m. in the Omineca. That's truly impressive.
   31. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 29, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5702184)
Well now that I've learned that imma call it a Friday here from bed. Screw going into the office.
   32. TJ Posted: June 29, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5702217)

Spider monkeys have very large clitorises. Very large. Geoffroy's spider monkey clitorises are in fact, bigger than the Geoffroy's spider monkey penises.

What was Chris Bosio thinking?


if I was that Tiger pitcher, I would be insulted...
   33. asinwreck Posted: June 29, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5702276)
Ken Rosenthal and Katie Strang:
Bosio called the attendant, who is African-American, a “monkey,” according to four team sources. The remark was directed toward the young man, who was collecting towels from the coaches’ room at the time, during a post-game gripe session in which Bosio was lamenting about a pitcher.

During this exchange, Bosio made a derogatory comment about one of the Tigers pitchers and then gestured toward the attendant before adding, “like this monkey here,” the sources said. The attendant pushed back at Bosio for the comment, and an additional team employee witnessed the exchange. Bosio was provided an opportunity to apologize to the attendant after his outburst but declined to do so, according to multiple sources.


After reporting Bosio's side of the story, Rosenthal and Strang stress "All four sources who spoke to The Athletic disputed Bosio’s account."
   34. A Baseball Fan Posted: June 29, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5702295)
I like how his defense is "hey, I call the trainer a fattie all the time, what's the big deal?"

Sounds like he has rubbed a lot of people in Detroit the wrong way and they are glad to be rid of him.
   35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 29, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5702299)
During this exchange, Bosio made a derogatory comment about one of the Tigers pitchers and then gestured toward the attendant before adding, “like this monkey here,” the sources said. The attendant pushed back at Bosio for the comment, and an additional team employee witnessed the exchange. Bosio was provided an opportunity to apologize to the attendant after his outburst but declined to do so, according to multiple sources.

If true, Bosio richly deserves the firing.
   36. jmurph Posted: June 29, 2018 at 03:01 PM (#5702304)
I'm just worried about the souls of his parents now, that's my top concern. From his denial:
And that was it. I swear on my mom and dad's graves, there was nothing else to it.

EDIT: Or maybe it's just the integrity of their actual grave sites? That's not so bad.
   37. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 29, 2018 at 04:03 PM (#5702324)

After reporting Bosio's side of the story, Rosenthal and Strang stress "All four sources who spoke to The Athletic disputed Bosio’s account."

So, he's a liar *and* a racist. Sounds like a real winner.
   38. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: June 29, 2018 at 06:59 PM (#5702403)
25, tell that to my dad, who was counter-sued for sexual harrassment by a woman tryng to get out of being fired for repeated theft


The difference being, presumably, that your dad didn't actually do this. But it is vanishingly rare for a person guilty of harassment of this kind to have targeted only one person.
   39. TomH Posted: June 29, 2018 at 11:35 PM (#5702519)
agree 38, very rare. And no, my father wasn't guilty.

However, another story: a male coworker / supervisor has been accused twice of sexual discrimination and/or harrassment over 15 years. Both were crazies. One instance, a woman who wrote to an admiral claiming a Navy pilot had intentionally aimed a plane in a landing pattern "too close" to her , causing her a severe nose bleed (I was nearby at the time, and this is about the silliest break with reality I have seen in the professional world). So later when she is let go, she countersues, and actually gets back pay. So a few years later another female with a poor job rating figures it's fair game to put the blame on this guy, you see, he's got a bad rap already.

I'm not trying to be down on women. Some of the best bosses I have had were females. And, I am in favor of the #Metoo movement, bringing out in the open where powerful people have abused others for a long time without consequence. This Bosio thing sure looks like it will end with Bosio getting what he deserves.

But there are cases of false accusation, and we should all refrain from judging before we hear all sides.
   40. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 30, 2018 at 01:16 AM (#5702534)
Brave stance Tom!
   41. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: June 30, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5702746)
And they lost their 11th straight today. What an absolute joke of a franchise.
   42. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: June 30, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5702773)
And they lost their 11th straight today. What an absolute joke of a franchise.

Imagine how bad their record would be if they didn't play nearly 25% of their games against the White Sox & Royals.

   43. Curtschillingsdingleberrybatboy Posted: July 01, 2018 at 03:07 AM (#5702968)
Well, if his nickname wasn’t spider monkey before, it sure as hell is now. And I’d bet the words “spider monkey” appear in his obituary, although I probably won’t be around to collect on that one.
   44. Hysterical & Useless Posted: July 01, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5703002)
And I’d bet the words “spider monkey” appear in his obituary, although I probably won’t be around to collect on that one.


I know a guy who knows a guy who can talk to a guy who can make that happen for you.

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