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Thursday, July 31, 2014

Tigers To Acquire David Price

The Tigers have agreed to acquire David Price from the Rays, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The deal is a three-way trade between the Tigers, Rays, and Mariners.

Austin Jackson will go to the Mariners, per a tweet from Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, with Nick Franklin and Drew Smyly heading to Tampa, according to Bob Dutton of the Tacoma News Tribune (via Twitter).

Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:00 PM | 74 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. chemdoc Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4761859)
"All your Cy Youngs are belong to me."--M. Ilitch
   2. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:15 PM (#4761868)
Not on the blog yet, but Stephen Drew to the Yankees.

I think playing with 8 makes more sense than Stephen Drew.
   3. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4761871)
I'm a little bit surprised the Rays didn't get more. They must really like Smyly.
   4. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:17 PM (#4761875)
i like how quickly these threads are getting up today. lots of crazy trades. and it feels like there are still other pieces to this deal that havnt been reported yet.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:20 PM (#4761879)
I think playing with 8 makes more sense than Stephen Drew.

He's started to hit in the last 2 weeks, and they gave up Kelly Johnson, so what's the downside?
   6. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4761884)
I'm a little bit surprised the Rays didn't get more.

Yeah, word was yesterday "200% markup or not at all," then suddenly he's traded for... that?
   7. Into the Void Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4761889)
I wonder if Verlander could close in the playoffs...
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4761894)
Yeah, word was yesterday "200% markup or not at all," then suddenly he's traded for... that?

I still think there are more prospects coming to TB. Could it be a PTBNL, someone like Paxton who's on the DL?
   9. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4761895)
lots of bold moves today.

as they say, (insert name of gm) has balls as big as church bells
   10. Select Storage Device Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4761900)
I still think there are more prospects coming to TB. Could it be a PTBNL, someone like Paxton who's on the DL?


Supposedly "confirmed" it's only Franklin and Smyly going to the Rays.

I am disappoint.

Edit: And now Robothal says Willy Adames, also.
   11. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4761902)
God, the Mariners are depressing.
   12. Sonic Youk Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4761903)
I can't believe the Rays gave up on this year for that crummy package.
   13. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:26 PM (#4761905)
I'd all sorts of rather have FA-inclement Price than FA-inclement Lester at these prices.


   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:26 PM (#4761908)
Supposedly "confirmed" it's only Franklin and Smyly going to the Rays.

I am disappoint.


Concur. Should have held him if that was the best offer.
   15. asinwreck Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4761911)
Rosenthal just said Willy Adames is going to Tampa in the Price deal.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4761919)
Rosenthal just said Willy Adames is going to Tampa in the Price deal.

OK, now you're just making up players. Who are you, JoeI Sherman?
   17. Nasty Nate Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4761929)
Rosenthal just said Willy Adames is going to Tampa in the Price deal.

OK, now you're just making up players. Who are you, JoeI Sherman?


Hey! Willy Adames was great on Charles In Charge!
   18. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4761932)
reposting from the omnithread:

Tampa also got SS Willy Adames in the Price deal. Kind of a fringe prospect going into the season, his stock has risen as he's shown defense, patience, and gap power and has been one of the better shortstops in the Midwest League, despite being only 18. I like him.
   19. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4761933)
So it looks like the Tigers and the A's are the new Yankees, while the Yankees and the Orioles are the new A's.

(Well, not quite, but it's getting to look more that way.)

But meanwhile, the O's have gone 8 and 4 against the A's, Mariners and Angels over the past two weeks, with only two non-quality starts from their entire rotation since the All-Star break. All of which they've accomplished with a roster that includes exactly one big ticket free agent who's playing with an $8M one year contract. This is more like the Orioles we used to know from the first Weaver era.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4761941)
Seems like 1.5 years of David Price should net you more than 2 years of James Shields, but perhaps I'm not taking into account Dayton Moore inflation.
   21. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4761966)
In 2012-13 Drew Smyly's team played in 24 playoff games, and while on the roster of that team he pitched a total of 7 innings.
   22. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4761971)
Agreed with all the mentions of underwhelming.

Agreed with the love for Willie Aames on CIC.

Googling Willie Aames is a little troubling.
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:53 PM (#4761976)
All of which they've accomplished with a roster that includes exactly one big ticket free agent who's playing with an $8M one year contract. This is more like the Orioles we used to know from the first Weaver era.


They have two big-ticket free agents. Ubaldo Jimenez is just rehabbing a sprained ankle at the moment.
   24. JE (Jason) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:55 PM (#4761982)
Agreed with all the mentions of underwhelming.

I'll be today's resident contrarian then. As noted in the #traid thread, I suspect we overestimate Price's value in bringing back young, cheap, and already good (not to be confused with spectacular) big-league talent, in addition to a Single-A prospect.
   25. Ray (RDP) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4761989)
Drew for Kelly Johnson. Lofl Cherington, why bother.
   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4761992)
Drew for Kelly Johnson. Lofl Cherington, why bother.

$$$$$

Can Drew be QO'd? Yankees may be viewing him as Ersatz Jeter.
   27. jdennis Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:01 PM (#4761993)
I honestly do not understand the desire to unload Price this year. Okay, you can't resign him. Then use him for another year. And from my POV, a Tigers trade should have been like Porcello and Kinsler talent-wise, obviously other things torpedo that deal. What is Smyly's contract? Is it a primo financial situation? And should these team control and arbitration situations really matter this much in all the hot stove from this year? I feel like these GMs are driving an hour to save three cents a gallon.
   28. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4761994)
Willie Aames got traded?
   29. Run, Mookie, Run Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4761995)
I was watching the game with the sound off during lunch at the bar, and saw Jackson get pulled in the middle on the inning (IIRC a 2-2 count with the bases loaded in a 4-4 game, or just after the HBP that made it 5-4). Figured he was traded for Lackey... as cromulent as Jackson is, seems like a win for Detroit and a disappointing haul for Tampa.

Hey! Willy Adames was great on Charles In Charge!

Ha! Jamie or Sarah?
   30. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4761996)
As noted in the #traid thread, I suspect we overestimate Price's value in bringing back young, cheap, and already good (not to be confused with spectacular) big-league talent, in addition to a Single-A prospect.

Then why trade him?
   31. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4761997)
Was Price causing the Rays major problems behind the scenes? I am surprised they accepted so little in return for him.
   32. hee came hee seop'd he choi'd Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4761998)
Can Drew be QO'd? Yankees may be viewing him as Ersatz Jeter.


you cant give anyone traded at the deadline a QO
   33. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4762000)
Boy, weird when I'm this out of step with the experts--I thought they got an amazing haul for Price!
   34. JE (Jason) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:09 PM (#4762004)
Then why trade him?

You get even less back in the offseason. You don't want to shell out $20M in '15, then get nothing in return when he departs, particularly since your farm system is weak overall.
   35. Chone Mueller Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:10 PM (#4762007)
The part I'm missing is centerfield in Detroit. Who takes over for Jackson?
   36. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4762012)
Rajai Davis. Apparently JD Martinez is a legitimate starting LF for a World Series contender, after being waived by the Astros a few months ago.
   37. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4762014)
What is Smyly's contract? Is it a primo financial situation?

I believe Smyly's super-2 and eligible for arbitration next season.

Jamie or Sarah?

Strictly during the duration of the show? Because it's Josie Davis in a walk at any point in the last 20 years.
   38. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:15 PM (#4762017)
The Rays, who are run by people smarter than myself, clearly believe that from now through the end of 2015 Smyly and Franklin are likely to be more valuable than Price. They could be right. Also unclear is the question of whether they were operating under a mandate from ownership to reduce payroll and/or wanted to free up payroll space for the offseason.
   39. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4762025)
MOAR PITCHING PLEZ THANK YOU
   40. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4762028)
Dave Dombrowski does it again. Whether it's a good deal for Tampa Bay or not, this seems like a pretty big slam-dunk for Detroit. They already had a nice rotation, but with potential playoff opponent Oakland making big moves this month, it seemed like Detroit would have to answer the bell with a big move of their own. And what a move. They get a dominant ace for their postseason run (and 2015) in exchange for Drew Smyly and a guy, in Austin Jackson, is already looks to have peaked.

DD has a large payroll to play with, but he's gotta be considered one of the top GM's in baseball today, no? The guy is a master with these trades.
   41. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:27 PM (#4762036)
DD has a large payroll to play with, but he's gotta be considered one of the top GM's in baseball today, no? The guy is a master with these trades.

I'd say he's got to be top-5, at least.
   42. andrewberg Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4762043)
I don't think Franklin or Smyly are superstars, but I think they are both good players and there is something to be said for getting guys who do not carry the risk that developmental time carries with it.
   43. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:40 PM (#4762046)
The Rays, who are run by people smarter than myself, clearly believe that from now through the end of 2015 Smyly and Franklin are likely to be more valuable than Price.


We could think of it as Smyly and Franklin, plus whatever else they can spend $25 million on, being more valuable than Price and Zobrist.
   44. Walt Davis Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4762048)
I dunno ... a starting OF of Martinez, Davis and Hunter doesn't sound so great.

Seems to me the big short-term winners are the Ms. Jackson's not super-awesome but he's a well above-average CF and not that expensive ($6 M in his 2nd arb year). They weren't using Franklin -- which might have been dumb but still means this is a straight upgrade to their starting lineup without surrendering anything of immediate value.

Franklin looks like a pretty nice player to me, Smyly is a competent and tradeable replacement in the rotation -- not a great haul but OK.
   45. andrewberg Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:50 PM (#4762054)
I like the trade for the Ms for the reasons stated, plus he replaces useless James Jones and helps balance the left-handedness of the lineup. It also makes sense for the Mariners beyond this year. Finding above-average position players has not been an automatic in Seattle.
   46. DL from MN Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:50 PM (#4762055)
Ms. Jackson's not super-awesome


Don't have to be so Nasty
   47. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4762058)
I imagine Ezequiel Carrera will be coming up from the Mud Hens to play some centerfield for Detroit.
   48. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4762059)
Maybe the Tigers just figure they can get a better outfielder for pennies between now and August 31st. Looking back, that seems to be where you find the biggest bargains.

   49. billyshears Posted: July 31, 2014 at 06:03 PM (#4762065)
Strictly during the duration of the show? Because it's Josie Davis in a walk at any point in the last 20 years.


Maybe, but I'm more of a peak voter. Nicole Eggert is a no doubt Hall of Famer.
   50. Lindor Truffles Posted: July 31, 2014 at 06:03 PM (#4762066)
Ms. Jackson'

I apologize a trillion times.
   51. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 31, 2014 at 06:12 PM (#4762070)
Thinking...I can't really see the Cubs playing out the string with Justin Ruggiano in center every day, nor the Twins with Josh Willingham, nor the Royals with Aoki (assuming they falter), nor the Rockies with Cuddyer, nor the Reds with Ludwick, etc....

Maybe the Tigers are just thinking "Okay, so if we just bide our time for these next few weeks, we can get one of those guys for just money."
   52. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 31, 2014 at 06:13 PM (#4762072)
Ms. Jackson'

I apologize a trillion times.


For real?
   53. valuearbitrageur Posted: July 31, 2014 at 06:26 PM (#4762077)
The Rays, who are run by people smarter than myself, clearly believe that from now through the end of 2015 Smyly and Franklin are likely to be more valuable than Price.


Do :-) and Franklin turn into pumpkins after 2015?
   54. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4762080)
Of course not, but the Rays expect to be contenders in 2015, no?
   55. madvillain Posted: July 31, 2014 at 06:40 PM (#4762085)
Maybe the Tigers are just thinking "Okay, so if we just bide our time for these next few weeks, we can get one of those guys for just money."


Dunn can play a little OF, so can Viciedo, they are more than welcome to both of them.
   56. akrasian Posted: July 31, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4762098)
Of course not, but the Rays expect to be contenders in 2015, no?

They may have figured that wasn't possibly with what Price would have gotten in arbitration.

I like Smyly well enough - obviously not in Price's zip code.

I'm intrigued by Adames. Still far away, but if he's a decent fielder not a bad prospect at all, given his age and performance this year.
   57. Run, Mookie, Run Posted: July 31, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4762108)
Because it's Josie Davis in a walk at any point in the last 20 years.

agreed, but I had a soft spot for her dorkiness during the show.

I'm more of a peak voter. Nicole Eggert is a no doubt Hall of Famer.

The peak being CIC or Baywatch? ;)
   58. valuearbitrageur Posted: July 31, 2014 at 07:20 PM (#4762118)
If I was Tampa Bay, I think I do Price for :-) straight up. :-) has a 108 ERA+ as a starter, Price has a 118 ERA+ the last two years and will cost $15m+ more next year. The Rays have to be better next year with $15m more to spend, even giving price the bonus for facing tougher lineups in the tougher division, the difference between David Price and :-) is less $15M. The bonus is three more years of Drew :-).
   59. PreservedFish Posted: July 31, 2014 at 07:25 PM (#4762123)
If I was Tampa Bay, I think I do Price for :-) straight up. :-) has a 108 ERA+ as a starter, Price has a 118 ERA+ the last two years and will cost $15m+ more next year.

There would seem to be something lacking in this analysis.
   60. Moe Greene Posted: July 31, 2014 at 08:35 PM (#4762172)
If I was Tampa Bay, I think I do Price for :-) straight up. :-) has a 108 ERA+ as a starter, Price has a 118 ERA+ the last two years and will cost $15m+ more next year.
There would seem to be something lacking in this analysis.

Subjunctive mood?
   61. The District Attorney Posted: July 31, 2014 at 08:43 PM (#4762178)
There would seem to be something lacking in this analysis.
Hopefully not this, it looked really crappy.
   62. Squash Posted: July 31, 2014 at 09:04 PM (#4762186)
This is a good move for Detroit, but ye gads they now have a truly terrible defensive outfield. That has the possibility to negate whatever happy upgrade Price brings in return.
   63. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 31, 2014 at 09:11 PM (#4762189)
Is Rajai stretched as a CF these days?
   64. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 09:25 PM (#4762199)
Because it's Josie Davis in a walk at any point in the last 20 years.


I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a picture of Josie Davis in 20 years (until I Googled), but she turned out far more fetching than I ever would have thought.

Might just come down to peak-vs-career arguments ...
   65. zonk Posted: July 31, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4762217)
   66. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: July 31, 2014 at 10:15 PM (#4762223)
Cobb
Moore
Hellickson
Archer
Smyly

Not a bad rotation for 2015.

Edit:Forgot Odorizzi
   67. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 31, 2014 at 10:16 PM (#4762225)
The TB station looks petty there, considering Price was traded, and not a FA departure.
   68. DanG Posted: July 31, 2014 at 10:56 PM (#4762249)
All players with 600+ Games in CF for the Tigers:

Rk              Player WAR/pos OPSRfield  SB    PA From   To   Age
1              Ty Cobb   144.7  171   
-2.0 869 12117 1905 1926 18-39
2           Chet Lemon    30.6  117   60.2  13  4676 1982 1990 27
-35
3    Curtis Granderson    21.2  114   31.0  67  2896 2004 2009 23
-28
4       Austin Jackson    20.5  104   50.0  78  2990 2010 2014 23
-27
5       Mickey Stanley    17.3   90   22.3  44  5477 1964 1978 21
-35
6          Ron LeFlore    14.1  108  
-66.1 294  3559 1974 1979 26-31
7           Doc Cramer     1.5   90  
-21.0  19  2963 1942 1948 36-42 
   69. bookbook Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:08 AM (#4762274)
Austin Jackson is no Ty Cobb. That's fer darn sure.
   70. Select Storage Device Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:54 AM (#4762308)
Ahma do this.

I am sad. Well, kinda sad.

David Price is the best player we have ever traded; there is no doubt about that. I feel good about the value of the haul, the same way I felt when we dealt Jackson for some fringe outfielder.

These guys are pretty good. I live in Orlando so it is extra cool that Nick Franklin has a chance to do something meaningful in a 90-mile radius. Smyly is fine. Adames is definitely better than the hidden prospect I thought Robinson Chirinos was.

Probably better than Lee, too.

Naaaaaah. Pretty damn sad.

   71. Jim Kaat on a hot Gene Roof Posted: August 01, 2014 at 01:54 AM (#4762319)
I love how Beane hustled and strained and mortgaged and had a joyous few hours to feel triumphant before DD just effortlessly trumped everything by landing Price at a bargain. That has to sting a bit; at least I hope it does for A's fans.
   72. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: August 01, 2014 at 01:58 AM (#4762321)
I love how Beane hustled and strained and mortgaged and had a joyous few hours to feel triumphant before DD just effortlessly trumped everything by landing Price at a bargain. That has to sting a bit; at least I hope it does for A's fans.


It must be terrible for the A's to have Gray, the Notre Dame guy, Lester, and Kazmir in the same rotation. Why would it sting and why do you hope it does unless you're an Angels' fan?

I'm not sure that I like the Cards getting Lackey and Masterson, but I am more worried about what the Giants did or didn't do today. My attitude might bite me in the ass in October, but I'm more worried about the Dodgers getting into October before I get worried about what a possible playoff opponent does.
   73. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 01, 2014 at 05:06 AM (#4762332)
Jackson's an okay player. But this trade is the result of a series of shitty decisions that led inevitably to a misallocation of resources -- and "solves" this problem by misallocating them in a different way.

As excited as I was for the Cano signing, the one position that absolutely was not of need for the Ms was 2B. Jack Z buried his best prospect with a huge contract, and couldn't shift him to 3B because one of the few decent homegrown players the Ms have already plays 3B. He also bet the house on the Amazing Disappearing Brad Miller, though I suppose that's excusable given how well he'd played in the minors. The upshot, anyway, was that said prospect was kicking around the system, obviously low-hanging fruit for any fairly bright organization to try to pick off. It's not a mistake that the Rays of all teams got hold of him. But by burying him as thoroughly as he did, Jack Z reduced his leverage to basically zero. Prospects of Franklin's caliber often fetch more than this.

What problem does Jackson solve? Well, he's a good fielder and a decent hitter and all around not a player you're sad to have on your team, and he's replacing a disaster area in Jones -- but the problem that the Ms have, have had, and will continue to have unless they can solve the development riddle, is that they don't score enough runs. They already have a guy who's a decent hitter and a good fielder: Dustin Ackley. Disappointing though Ackley has been in comparison to his first season, and different though their routes have been to this place, Ackley and Jackson are much the same player.

The Ms needed a bat -- a real one, not a pretend one like the corpse of Chris Denorfia. They had plenty of places to play said bat -- LF, where Ackley's defense is going somewhat wasted, or 1B, where the sad decline of Justin Smoak has begun, and from a terribly shallow peak. This is a team whose OBP is below 300. How did they address that? Oh, by getting another guy whose value inheres in his glove, whose skills duplicate those already on the team.
   74. bookbook Posted: August 01, 2014 at 06:59 AM (#4762341)
Franklin might have been a more valuable trade chip if he didn't K at a 42% rate in the majors this year. The M's needed to trade him before they ruined him as a player. (I think he'll be a minor star, but man did he need a change of scenery.)

Jackson's a 3+ win upgrade (over a full season) at CF over Jones, and substantially better than Ackley based on this year and almost every year of their careers. You don't like the shape of his contributions because it's superficially similar to those of others on the team? Really? It's okay to have more than one decent hitter who can defend. CF was absolutely a critical position to upgrade for 2014, and arguably the biggest hole going forward...

I don't think the M's needed a big bat--or rather that getting one midseason would be achievable at anything resembling a reasonable cost. They needed to stop running out a Swiss cheese line up that has more holes than cheese. With Jackson and a Denorfia/Ackley platoon (once Saunders returns), they have a major league caliber outfield now. Not bad for a day's work.

(1b/DH? You'd think there'd be some one in the independent leagues who could outhit Smoak/Morrison/Morales/Hart, wouldn't you?)

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