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Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Tim McCarver leaving Fox Sports after 2013 season

Leave the memories alone…

Maury Brown
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“I’ve informed FOX Sports that I will not seek to extend my contract to broadcast baseball past the 2013 season,” said McCarver.

The District Attorney Posted: March 27, 2013 at 12:46 PM | 49 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JJ1986 Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:24 PM (#4397696)
I'll bet Rick Sutcliffe replaces him.
   2. Textbook Editor Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:25 PM (#4397698)
Huzzah!
   3. Canker Soriano Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:27 PM (#4397700)
You know what they say about the devil you know. FOX could easily screw this up even worse.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4397702)
I'll bet Rick Sutcliffe replaces him.


You couldn't let us enjoy this for just a few minutes?
   5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:30 PM (#4397705)
Y'all can bash the hell out of him but I'll jump in and say I generally like McCarver. I think he generally provides insight that very few other announcers do on a regular basis. Also while most announcers second guess McCarver is usually pretty good about first guessing, sharing an opinion based on the move rather than the outcome.

One moment I'll never forget was a Saturday game years ago when Jorge Posada was batting against Bartolo Colon. Tim noted that Colon was nodding twice when saying "yes" to the fastball and that he was giving away the fastball because by nodding twice he was saying yes to the pitch AND yes to the location, somthing only done for the fastball and a catcher like Posada would probably pick up on that. Sure enough Fox got a great shot of him nodding twice on the next pitch and Posada hit one to monument park.

It's a little thing but it's a nice bit of "inside baseball" that gets missed or ignored by most announcers. And of course everyone remembers him "predicting" Luis Gonzalez' game-winning hit in 2001 but earlier in that game I remember him saying that two players to watch as the game progressed were Alfonso Soriano and Tony Womack. Of course both guys played a big impact in that game.
   6. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:32 PM (#4397707)
he has fewer moments of being good but in his heyday mccarver was pretty good.

i think those around him brought him down. if he had been paired with a better booth partner maybe he would have kept his fastball longer.
   7. Steve Treder Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:34 PM (#4397710)
McCarver is great for those kind of insights. The problem is that over the years the proportion of those kind of insights has been drowned out by the flood of gosh-Bob-Gibson-was-awesome yarns and cringe-inducing puns.

In other words, McCarver was good until he went too far.

EDIT: Coke to harveys
   8. Repoz Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:37 PM (#4397712)
Guess I'll have to go to Bob Gibson's Baseball-Reference page to get my fill of Bob Gibson references.
   9. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:48 PM (#4397718)
The great American songbook won't sing itself!
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4397721)
Y'all can bash the hell out of him


Thanks. Tim McCarver sucks and baseball will be better off with him retired.
   11. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:54 PM (#4397723)
McCarver offers an improbable blend of perceptiveness and lack of intelligence.
   12. VoodooR Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4397728)
"Even in a no doubles defense, the Rangers gave up a double."

   13. JE (Jason) Posted: March 27, 2013 at 02:09 PM (#4397739)
I still remember a great back-and-forth between McCarver and Kiner on a Mets telecast in the mid-80s about dry cleaning. Alas, it went downhill from there.
   14. Rennie's Tenet Posted: March 27, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4397757)
I still remember a great back-and-forth between McCarver and Kiner on a Mets telecast in the mid-80s about dry cleaning.


McCarver and Whitey Ashburn also produced some classic dialogue, often regarding The Pep Boys' question of the day.
   15. DA Baracus Posted: March 27, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4397772)
Tim noted that Colon was nodding twice when saying "yes" to the fastball and that he was giving away the fastball because by nodding twice he was saying yes to the pitch AND yes to the location, somthing only done for the fastball and a catcher like Posada would probably pick up on that.


His spotter probably caught it.
   16. formerly dp Posted: March 27, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4397773)
So many tears when I saw this headline.
   17. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 27, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4397779)
The Fox Sports MLB booth shedding McCarver is a case of Wrong A-Hole, Buster.
   18. Mattbert Posted: March 27, 2013 at 02:58 PM (#4397787)
The Fox Sports MLB booth shedding McCarver is a case of Wrong A-Hole, Buster.

Agreed. McCarver grates on me nowadays, but I'll bet a Jon Miller and Tim McCarver booth would be just fine. McCarver was very enjoyable in the '80s and '90s, and I reckon Miller could coax that out of him again. On the other hand, Miller let Joe Morgan go totally off the rails during their last several years together, so maybe I'm wrong.
   19. Shredder Posted: March 27, 2013 at 03:00 PM (#4397788)
He'll be missed......by somebody, I suppose. Not sure who exactly.
   20. DA Baracus Posted: March 27, 2013 at 03:04 PM (#4397790)
He'll be missed......by somebody, I suppose. Not sure who exactly.


Joe Buck, who apparently actually showed emotion about something.
   21. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 27, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4397793)
Can Joe Buck be next? Pretty please?

Here's my alll-time favorite Kiner/McCarver exchange...

RK: "Andujar Cedeno steps in for Houston. He's the shortstop...and the pitch by Gooden is high and away for ball one. Andujar Cedeno...no relation to the former Astros pitcher Joaquin Andujar..."

TM (unable to contain the giggles): "That's good, Ralph; otherwise his name would be 'Andujar Andujar...'"
   22. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: March 27, 2013 at 03:06 PM (#4397795)
McCarver's no prize, but it's Joe Buck I can't stand. He always sounds like calling the game is the last thing in the world he'd want to be doing at that moment. Gak.
   23. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: March 27, 2013 at 03:06 PM (#4397796)
I'm as glad to see McCarver gone as most, but I also have appreciated a few of his moments of insight.

When A-Rod knocked the ball out of Bronson Arroyo's glove in the ALCS, McCarver quickly said that he could have legally done it if it was his normal arm-pumping while he was running, but not if he deliberately changed his motion. I couldn't tell if it was deliberate, nor did I know the rule, so I appreciated Tim's commentary.

Side note 1 - I guess the umpires get credit for getting the call right, which was evident once the replay was shown. Amazingly, it was Joe West at home who had it right.

Side note 2 - A-Rod was arguing vehemently, which made me think that he didn't change his motion, but the reply proved he did. That didn't help his reputation, at least in my book.
   24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 27, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4397798)
Free at last, free at last. Thank God almighty, we are free at last!
   25. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 27, 2013 at 03:13 PM (#4397801)
"Nobody will be missed in this weird business we are in more than Tim will be missed by me," said Buck, who nearly broke down on the conference call

Couldn't he be humanely destroyed?
   26. Rennie's Tenet Posted: March 27, 2013 at 03:38 PM (#4397823)
He'll be missed......by somebody, I suppose. Not sure who exactly.


He's the same guy as lasted 20 years in the majors. He'll be missed.
   27. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:00 PM (#4397831)
After years bearing unsatisfying personal witness to Joe Buck reducing Tim McCarver to a 0.5 WAR announcer, no one can convince me chemistry doesn't matter.
   28. SteveM. Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:06 PM (#4397838)
There is a God.
   29. Gamingboy Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4397858)
I gotta say, I and everyone else has given Tim McCarver crap over the years, but I got to admit, him being gone is going to be... weird.
   30. jdennis Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4397862)
Several years ago, didn't Buck say he liked doing football games way more than baseball games, and that he didn't really like baseball that much anymore? I would probably have replaced him for baseball after he said that.
   31. AROM Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4397864)
One moment I'll never forget was a Saturday game years ago when Jorge Posada was batting against Bartolo Colon. Tim noted that Colon was nodding twice when saying "yes" to the fastball and that he was giving away the fastball because by nodding twice he was saying yes to the pitch AND yes to the location, somthing only done for the fastball and a catcher like Posada would probably pick up on that. Sure enough Fox got a great shot of him nodding twice on the next pitch and Posada hit one to monument park.


Bartolo has games where he throws nothing but fastballs, or at least 90% fastballs. That would be a good assumption whether he was giving away a sign or not. The game you mention must have been 6-2-2001 - fits all the clues. Posada hit 2 homers off Colon for his career. I remember the other one (4-9-2006) because I was at the game, sitting in right field, and the homerun landed about 3 rows away from me. That one could not fit your description as it was A) a Sunday and B) in Anaheim.
   32. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:39 PM (#4397879)
I turned on the Dodgers-Royals game on MLB Network a couple of days ago and suddenly realized I was hearing Rex Hudler's voice. I was worried for a while that he and Steve Physioc were the new Dodger road game announcers. Luckily, it turned out that it was the Kansas City broadcast. We've dealt with Hudler and Physioc long enough in Southern California. Now they're somebody else's problem.
   33. Gary Truth Serum Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:47 PM (#4397890)
One moment I'll never forget was a Saturday game years ago when Jorge Posada was batting against Bartolo Colon. Tim noted that Colon was nodding twice when saying "yes" to the fastball and that he was giving away the fastball because by nodding twice he was saying yes to the pitch AND yes to the location, somthing only done for the fastball and a catcher like Posada would probably pick up on that. Sure enough Fox got a great shot of him nodding twice on the next pitch and Posada hit one to monument park.

Bartolo has games where he throws nothing but fastballs, or at least 90% fastballs. That would be a good assumption whether he was giving away a sign or not. The game you mention must have been 6-2-2001 - fits all the clues. Posada hit 2 homers off Colon for his career. I remember the other one (4-9-2006) because I was at the game, sitting in right field, and the homerun landed about 3 rows away from me. That one could not fit your description as it was A) a Sunday and B) in Anaheim.

This was also brought up by Joe Morgan after ESPN cut away to a potential Nolan Ryan no-no on Sunday Night Baseball in 1991, broken up by Dave Winfield. Once they returned to the regular game, Joe mentioned that Winfield knew a fastball was coming because Nolan shook his head after previously nodding for the pitch call.

So this detail got mentioned by two of the biggest whipping posts in baseball commentary, yet I've never heard it mentioned anywhere else. Odd.
   34. Chris Needham Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:50 PM (#4397893)
McCarver was often scary good with those pre-predictions. I'm surprised that nobody cited the 2001 World Series here, where he questioned Joe Torre bringing the infield in for Rivera because of his propensity to get popups on the infield -- right before Gonzalez flared the game-winner just past short.
   35. Steve Treder Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:55 PM (#4397899)
I'm surprised that nobody cited the 2001 World Series here

See post #5
   36. Chris Needham Posted: March 27, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4397908)
Nevermind. I'm illiterate. I stopped reading after the Colon story because I remember that one too.
   37. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 27, 2013 at 05:12 PM (#4397917)

McCarver offers an improbable blend of perceptiveness and lack of intelligence.


Combined with a lack of amusing anecdotes or really any kind of humorous sayings.
   38. God Posted: March 27, 2013 at 05:15 PM (#4397923)
My favorite McCarver moment came during the 1988 NLCS when there was an absolute deluge in New York and it was clear the game was not going to be played that day. McCarver brought NL President Bart Giamatti in for an on-camera interview in which both men sported raincoats and umbrellas and were still getting drenched. McCarver says, "So, Mr. President, can you give us the latest weather report?" Giamatti, completely deadpan, replies, "It's raining, Tim."
   39. AJMcCringleberry Posted: March 27, 2013 at 05:46 PM (#4397937)
Andujar Cedeno...no relation to the former Astros pitcher Joaquin Andujar..."

They spell and pronounce their names differently.
   40. Jesse Barfield's Right Arm Posted: March 27, 2013 at 06:29 PM (#4397959)
Buck is far worse than McCarver. Bad puns are one thing; indifference to the game is another.

Favorite McCarver moment was him expressing genuine disbelief at a stat that showed that a leadoff HR led to more multi-run innings than a leadoff BB. I'll miss him, though I've yelled "shut up McCarver" at my TV more times than I can remember.
   41. morineko Posted: March 27, 2013 at 07:03 PM (#4397980)
I found a childhood diary in my last move dating back to 1988. One of the entries that absolutely cracked me up, 24 years later, was a rant about Tim McCarver's knowledge of that year's playoff teams. If a 10-year-old is complaining about a broadcaster, there may be a problem.
   42. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 27, 2013 at 07:33 PM (#4397990)
mmmm..tbe best first-guessing I ever heard him do was in that 88 NLCS. Game 1, the Mets were down 2-1 in the 9th (having just scored the first run off Orel in a gajillion innings), men on 1st and 2nd and Carter was up, and for some reason, the Dodger outfield played him way around to left and extra deep. McCarver said "they're playing the Gary Carter of 5 years ago". Sure enough, Carter hits a liner slightly to the right of center and 2 runs score. Had the CF been positioned normally, he would have caught it, or, at the very worst it would have been a single.
   43. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 27, 2013 at 09:02 PM (#4398036)
I always enjoy (soon to be enjoyed) McCarver stealing the signs and announcing what pitch was coming by the second or third inning, because he's nearly always right.
   44. Mike Emeigh Posted: March 27, 2013 at 09:49 PM (#4398054)
it's Joe Buck I can't stand. He always sounds like calling the game is the last thing in the world he'd want to be doing at that moment.


Probably because it is.

-- MWE
   45. Jim Wisinski Posted: March 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM (#4398127)
It's something that passed through two other people from the original source before reaching me, though I consider the people involved likely to be telling it accurately, but I heard that Buck tends to drink fairly heavily before broadcasting baseball games (or at least did in one postseason).
   46. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 28, 2013 at 12:00 AM (#4398131)
What does Joe Buck drink, formaldehyde?
   47. Rob_Wood Posted: March 28, 2013 at 01:01 AM (#4398151)
I thought this day would never come. (The one year he did San Francisco Giants games was beyond dreadful.) Maybe they'll replace him with someone good like Rob Dibble.
   48. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: March 28, 2013 at 08:34 AM (#4398221)
Eh. McCarver's fine. there are way worse out there (such as Sutcliffe). It's Buck who sucks.

Where have you gone, Jon Miller, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you...
   49. Bob Meta-Meusel Posted: March 28, 2013 at 12:43 PM (#4398486)
One thing that I really hated about McCarver for the brief time he was doing Yankee games was that he couldn't seem to get through more than about 3 innings of broadcasting an AL game without talking about how much better baseball was in the National League with more small-ball and no DH. Bugged the living daylights out of me.

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