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Sunday, August 11, 2019

Tim Tebow’s baseball season is over due to July hand injury

Tim Tebow will not make his MLB debut this season, and it’s not because the suddenly hot New York Mets don’t have room for him on the major league roster.

Newsday’s Tim Healey first reported that the former college football standout will miss the remainder of the season as he continues healing from a hand injury suffered in July.

Yahoo Sports’ Matt Ehalt has since confirmed the news.

Tebow suffered a cut that required eight stitches in his left hand. He was injured while fielding a ball in the outfield, Syracuse Mets manager Tony DeFrancesco told reporters on July 23.

Does this mean our great national nightmare is over?

 

 

QLE Posted: August 11, 2019 at 04:40 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JJ1986 Posted: August 11, 2019 at 09:28 AM (#5870283)
Just in time to work TV for college football games.
   2. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 11, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5870289)
Tebow had a .495 OPS in AAA. He should never have been under consideration for a September callup.
   3. Brian C Posted: August 11, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5870293)
So sad to see such a promising young player derailed by injury like this.
   4. Spahn Insane Posted: August 11, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5870294)
Awww.

I prefer that professional baseball be played by professional baseball players, but I'm a traditionalist like that.
   5. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 11, 2019 at 01:51 PM (#5870316)
[4] Not a fan of Dion Sanders or Bo Jackson then?
   6. bunyon Posted: August 11, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5870322)
Congratulations to those who said he should be cut.
   7. Spahn Insane Posted: August 11, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5870324)
Uh, Sanders and Jackson were better at football than they were at baseball, but they were legitimate major leaguers for a while.

Also, it's "Deion."
   8. filihok Posted: August 11, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5870326)
I prefer that professional baseball be played by professional baseball players

While Tebow is unlikely to ever be good enough to play in the major leagues, he's as good or better than a hell of a lot of guys who get paid to play baseball.
   9. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: August 11, 2019 at 02:31 PM (#5870333)
While Tebow is unlikely to ever be good enough to play in the major leagues, he's as good or better than a hell of a lot of guys who get paid to play baseball.


That's true, and no doubt the Long Island Ducks would be happy to have him on the roster.
   10. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: August 11, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5870336)
I just looked up the Ducks. It's probably a near thing, they're better than I thought. Their worst outfielder is probably D'Arby Meyers, who is 30. He hit 293/328/333 in AA last year, and 174/240/304 in the International League (just 11 games). Obviously that's not good, but it's actually a nice match for what Tebow has been doing, and Meyers is a year younger. Lew Ford has been pretty bad for the Ducks this year, but it looks like he's transitioning into coaching (he's 42) so I don't really know if he's still an active player anyway. It looks like about half of their roster has MLB experience.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 11, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5870340)
Also, it's "Deion."
Right, otherwise ‘Neion Deion’ wouldn’t work.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 11, 2019 at 02:55 PM (#5870341)
D'Arby
In French, this means he comes from Arby’s.
   13. base ball chick Posted: August 11, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5870352)
tebow will continue to play baseball until either he quits or he's not pulling in the crowds/bucks

gotta take my hat off to a 30 year old guy who hadn't played in over 10 years and can hit AA pitching
   14. TJ Posted: August 11, 2019 at 05:49 PM (#5870401)

While Tebow is unlikely to ever be good enough to play in the major leagues, he's as good or better than a hell of a lot of guys who get paid to play baseball.


He's probably the second-worst player getting paid by the Mets, just ahead of Bobby Bonilla.

   15. JJ1986 Posted: August 11, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5870402)
He's probably the second-worst player getting paid by the Mets, just ahead of Bobby Bonilla.
Are the Mariners covering Edwin Diaz's salary?
   16. Adam Starblind Posted: August 11, 2019 at 08:48 PM (#5870418)

He's probably the second-worst player getting paid by the Mets, just ahead of Bobby Bonilla.


Oh, I doubt that.
   17. Ithaca2323 Posted: August 12, 2019 at 08:52 AM (#5870459)
Uh, Sanders and Jackson were better at football than they were at baseball, but they were legitimate major leaguers for a while.


Sanders was worth 3.2 WAR in just 325 PAs in '92. That surprised me
   18. bunyon Posted: August 12, 2019 at 09:18 AM (#5870468)
Adam, are you suggesting the Mets should play Bonilla?
   19. Spahn Insane Posted: August 12, 2019 at 09:29 AM (#5870473)
Sanders was worth 3.2 WAR in just 325 PAs in '92. That surprised me

That was the year I saw him score on a four-base error by Doug Dascenzo, where Doug dropped the ball on the warning track--the ball never got behind Dascenzo or got far away from him, and Sanders still circled the bases easily. He might've been the fastest guy I've ever seen on a baseball field.

He also had a great XBH stat line in '92: 6 doubles, 8 homers, 14 triples.
   20. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 12, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5870496)
the former college football standout will miss the remainder of the season as he continues healing from a hand injury suffered in July.

Recycling from the earlier thread....

I'm surprised He can't lay His good hand on His injured hand and heal Himself.
   21. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 12, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5870504)
That was the year I saw him score on a four-base error by Doug Dascenzo, where Doug dropped the ball on the warning track--the ball never got behind Dascenzo or got far away from him, and Sanders still circled the bases easily. He might've been the fastest guy I've ever seen on a baseball field.


Definitely.

Had Sanders foregone the dual careers and focused on baseball - I think he could have been a poor man's Devon White.

Of course, he's an NFL Hall of Famer and Devo is probably a borderline HoVG - so it's hard to say he made the wrong choice to play baseball as more of an offseason hobby.
   22. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: August 12, 2019 at 10:51 AM (#5870510)
I was going to say something comparing Sanders to Billy Hamilton, but man was I wrong. Sanders' career OPS+ is better than Hamilton's best season. That dude cannot hit. This year: 46 OPS+ with a 211/275/269 line. Love the OBP>SLG. I've got to imagine that this is the end of the line for him.
   23. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: August 12, 2019 at 11:01 AM (#5870520)
Tebow had a .495 OPS in AAA. He should never have been under consideration for a September callup.


Nope. But it's still impressive how far Tebow came as a baseball player. If Shaq Thompson was a zero, Mike Trout is at 10, and a legit major-leaguer is a 7, Tebow went from roughly 1.5 to 5.5 in just two years. If he hadn't gotten hurt...but, of course, you can say that about a lot of guys.

Also impressive: the fact he could've made millions of dollars in media/politics/promotions, but instead chose to earn a tiny fraction of that riding a bus in the minor leagues.
   24. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 12, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5870538)
I still want to know how you can get a cut requiring 8 stitches while fielding a ball
   25. bunyon Posted: August 12, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5870543)
24: I get what you're saying but I can imagine spiking yourself trying to make a play. I'd bet that's not what happened but I could see it.

Or, possibly, making a play on a crappy MiLB field and hitting a sprinkler? Do they still have those in some parks?
   26. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 12, 2019 at 12:52 PM (#5870577)


Or, possibly, making a play on a crappy MiLB field and hitting a sprinkler? Do they still have those in some parks?


Yeah or running into the wall or some other obstruction in foul play.
   27. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 12, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5870582)
I'm surprised He can't lay His good hand on His injured hand and heal Himself.
Still my line even if you post it the second and the third time.
   28. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 12, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5870584)
He might've been the fastest guy I've ever seen on a baseball field.
Even faster than Billy Hamilton? That guy is absurd.
   29. Wayne Newton's pet monkey (gef, talking mongoose) Posted: August 12, 2019 at 01:01 PM (#5870585)
I still want to know how you can get a cut requiring 8 stitches while fielding a ball


As I suggested in a previous thread, possibly an ill-timed partial stigmata outbreak.
   30. Spahn Insane Posted: August 12, 2019 at 01:15 PM (#5870590)
Even faster than Billy Hamilton? That guy is absurd.

Hard to say; I haven't seen Hamilton on base enough to make a meaningful comparison.

All I know is, Sanders was really ####### fast, and it was the play described in post 19 that sticks in my mind as highlighting that fact.

EDIT: Fun fact, Jeff Blauser hit three homers in the same game.
   31. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 12, 2019 at 01:22 PM (#5870595)
Hard to say; I haven't seen Hamilton on base enough to make a meaningful comparison.
Heh. I remember him hitting a triple a few years ago, against the Cubs I think, and it took him approximately eight strides and five seconds to go from home to third.
   32. filihok Posted: August 12, 2019 at 01:29 PM (#5870599)
Here's the play

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/finger-injury-ends-season-for-new-york-mets-tim-tebow/c-309872212

   33. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 12, 2019 at 01:34 PM (#5870602)
Multiple cokes to Billy/Face.
   34. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 12, 2019 at 01:34 PM (#5870603)
Nope. But it's still impressive how far Tebow came as a baseball player. If Shaq Thompson was a zero, Mike Trout is at 10, and a legit major-leaguer is a 7, Tebow went from roughly 1.5 to 5.5 in just two years. If he hadn't gotten hurt...but, of course, you can say that about a lot of guys.


I'm sorry, but no.... Just no.

People are weighting far, far (far, far, far) too much on Tebow hitting .273 at AA -- thanks to an unsustainable BABIP and it's a pretty empty 273.

He's not a 5.5

He's not even a 4.5

Maybe a 3.5.

His career minor league slash line is 223/299/338. That's over more than 1000 PAs -- and only about 20-25% came from his crappy first go round at AAA.

If he were a slick-fielding SS, had extraordinary range/speed to play CF, or was even a bog standard Molina behind the plate, fine.... but he's not. He's a DH who plays LF.

Seriously, folks.... his secondary lines are ####. He doesn't walk, his ISO is bad, and he strikes out too much. A no power, no OBP DH/LF without any real speed is not a "real" baseball player....
   35. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 12, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5870627)
I agree, Zonk (but was trying to avoid beating a dead horse) - we're likely overrating his bat and underrating how bad the glove is (which he's greatly improved, he deserves all kind of credit).

1) Those bad AAA hitting numbers this year while trying to hit a superball - a .750 OPS in AAA is less impressive than a .750 in AA at this point.

2) Let's talk about the aforementioned D'Arby Myers, who I'm actually somewhat familiar with.
Myers can run a bit (23 steals in 60 indy games) and still fakes center (he's not a good fielder - routes - but would be, imo, an average defender in a corner and subpar in center in high minor play. Lacks power, lacks patience, an org guy at best. Tebow isn't a baserunning thread and is, as was said, a DH in left due to lack of range (previously, he was a tire fire (fielded .912 in 2017!) - he's largely cut errors out of his game).

I'll defer to others, but I have the Atlantic League as a bit below AA in quality (Clay Davenport agrees, it looks like)... accounting for this and league offensive levels, Myers has been a slightly better hitter than Tebow, even if I ignore this year's flameout, a better fielder and a better baserunner (Tebow isn't slow and does pick up triples). On balance and merit, I'd say that Tebow has not been a Atlantic League caliber player but was good enough to play in a lower level indy league.

If true, what would that make Tebow on the 0-10 scale (I don't know WHAT to do with this scale)? 2019 Tebow is not professional quality. 2018 Tebow was, but also appeared at the time to be pretty lucky at the plate. 2017 wasn't full season quality, but that was solely due to apocalyptic defense (coupled with a below average but credible bat) and you could reasonably say he was still growing as a player.
Maybe a 3.5? Maybe a 3?
   36. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 12, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5870632)

If true, what would that make Tebow on the 0-10 scale (I don't know WHAT to do with this scale)? 2019 Tebow is not professional quality. 2018 Tebow was, but also appeared at the time to be pretty lucky at the plate. 2017 wasn't full season quality, but that was solely due to apocalyptic defense (coupled with a below average but credible bat) and you could reasonably say he was still growing as a player.
Maybe a 3.5? Maybe a 3?


Yeah - don't mean to pick on RMC because I know he was just tossing out that 0-10 scale for fun.... but obviously, the scale isn't anything close to equally distributed.

Just playing around with the scale -- I'd probably put someone like Jim Adduci in the ~5ish range. Org fodder that can at least fake (at least, in his "prime") a premium position, but generally just a cup of coffee guy on really bad teams.... or teams that aren't actually bad but have done a really bad job at stocking themselves with legit "Break Glass in Case" players for outlier situations.... like the NLC-leading Cubs who still found the need to waste 5 PAs and a 40 man roster spot on him this year :-)
   37. Spahn Insane Posted: August 12, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5870658)
I agree with RMc that Tebow's baseball career has exceeded expectations. I agree with zonk that even with that overperformance, he has no business even being contemplated for a token short-term major league roster spot (or even a AAA roster spot).

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