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Tim Tebow’s third year in baseball as told by coaches, teammates and scouts

NEW YORK — A seemingly innocuous base hit by Detroit Tigers minor leaguer Dustin Peterson quickly became an important moment for one of sports’ most intriguing stories.

The single brought a merciful and conveniently timed end to the third chapter of Tim Tebow’s journey with the New York Mets. The ball opened up a cut on Tebow’s finger that required eight stitches, nearly a year to the day after a fractured hamate bone ended his All-Star season with Double-A Binghamton.

It could realistically be the end of Tebow’s baseball career altogether. The 2019 season was the last in which a major league club could carry 40 players after Sept. 1. Next year, that number will be whittled down to 28.

Yahoo Sports talked to a number of scouts who remained unimpressed by Tebow’s play despite his stellar makeup and work ethic. It’s enough to rightfully question whether Tebow will try for a fourth year as even the excitement of his presence in the minors seems to have declined this season.

For those who wish to read a long-form piece about a mediocrity that never gets around to the big question concerning him- who is it that keeps pushing him and why?

 

QLE Posted: August 31, 2019 at 04:01 AM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: August 31, 2019 at 07:26 AM (#5875859)
I'm a little lost on why teams being able to carry only 28 players on its major league roster in September would end the career of a minor league player. Is the author confused as to the difference between the major league roster and the 40-man roster? But even if so, Tebow doesn't need to be on the 40-man to keep playing pro baseball. He just needs a team willing to give him a minor league contract.

His career probably IS over, because he's past 30 and can't play. But it has nothing to do with roster rules.
   2. PreservedFish Posted: August 31, 2019 at 08:01 AM (#5875860)
I imagine the idea is that Tebow knew he would never make the big leagues except in a token/mascot/celebrity September appearance, and that such an appearance becomes far less likely if there's a more restrictive limit on the number of players a team can use. And also, I suppose, that he'll give up if he doesn't think he's working towards the big leagues.
   3. Hot Wheeling American Posted: August 31, 2019 at 09:18 AM (#5875874)
who is it that keeps pushing him and why?

The big guy upstairs?
   4. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: August 31, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5875906)
@3: Of all the things to dislike Tebow for, I don't understand why things always devolve into mocking his Christian faith.
   5. cardsfanboy Posted: August 31, 2019 at 12:38 PM (#5875908)
@3: Of all the things to dislike Tebow for, I don't understand why things always devolve into mocking his Christian faith.


I'm fairly certain that is the primary reason to dislike him.. public displays of devotion are almost always so over the top, that you have to wonder about the character beneath.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 31, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5875909)
It was a fun experiment but probably time to pull the plug on this one. He should probably spend more time honing his skills as a TV personality.
   7. TJ Posted: August 31, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5875948)
Of all the things to dislike Tebow for, I don't understand why things always devolve into mocking his Christian faith.


Maybe because if it were not for his public displays of his Christian faith there would not be a large enough segment of people supporting him to make A) arguing that he was a legitimate NFL quarterback, B) signing him to a minor league baseball contract and C) undeservedly promoting him three levels rational decisions.

If Tebow was just as devout in a private way, would there have been any reason to justify any of those positions?
   8. puck Posted: August 31, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5875959)
I hear far more about Tebow's faith from people who don't like him than I do from him/news reports on whatever it is people consider his expression of faith.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: August 31, 2019 at 06:08 PM (#5875991)
I'm fairly certain that is the primary reason to dislike him.. public displays of devotion are almost always so over the top, that you have to wonder about the character beneath.


Though the larger point remains, every bit of evidence suggests Tebow's a legitimately a good human being.
   10. The Duke Posted: August 31, 2019 at 06:09 PM (#5875992)
8. Exactly. The criticisms say a lot more about the authors than they do of Tebow
   11. Captain Supporter Posted: September 01, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5876085)
I hear far more about Tebow's faith from people who don't like him than I do from him/news reports on whatever it is people consider his expression of faith.


I agree with this and my feelings about religion can be summed up by John Lennon's 'God is a concept...' line. My problem with Tebow has nothing to do with him as a person; it has to do with how organization's like the Mets exploit someone they know lacks the ability to be a professional baseball player for marketing purposes. But he has a fan base who enjoys seeing him, and there are far worse problems in the sport. I'm more concerned with fixing the baseball than fixing Tebow.
   12. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: September 01, 2019 at 11:49 AM (#5876086)
For what it's worth--I think that if he's not blocking any actual prospects from progressing (which in the Mets organization I don't think he is) I believe there's value in keeping a person of Tebow's caliber on my minor league team, as a positive influence/role model for the young guys.

That probably only works as long as the guy can at least vaguely resemble a ballplayer, though. Otherwise the other players--trained from childhood to fervently believe that sports are the ultimate meritocracy--will cease accepting him as a guy that belongs in the clubhouse. I think Tebow's presence in their minor league system has overall been somewhere between harmless and mildly positive for them, but given his stats this year and age/injury status, the time has come to move on.
   13. PreservedFish Posted: September 01, 2019 at 01:11 PM (#5876096)
how organization's like the Mets exploit someone they know lacks the ability to be a professional baseball player for marketing purposes.


I have a tough time seeing Tebow as exploited. I'm sure that both he and the Mets knew exactly what they were getting into together.
   14. my email address is hashtag 57i66135 Posted: September 01, 2019 at 01:38 PM (#5876103)
Though the larger point remains, every bit of evidence suggests Tebow's a legitimately a good human being.
If I ever have a son, I will have him circumcised as early as possible. Preferably when he is still in the womb, but I don't know how science will advance in that time.

If for no other reason than I just wouldn't know what to teach him about foreskin. What, you clean it, you lift it to piss, what? I don't know what's going on with foreskin, and the last thing I want to do is foreskin research. If he looks like me down there, that will be easier for everyone.
   15. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: September 01, 2019 at 02:15 PM (#5876109)
I am no fan of circumcision, but I'm a bit hesitant to view his traveling to third-world countries to try to help the poor as evidence of him being a bad person.

I guess your take is that he delights in torturing children and is willing to go cross oceans for the opporrunity?
   16. PreservedFish Posted: September 01, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5876114)
Seems like an obviously light-hearted comment.
   17. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: September 01, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5876116)
So was mine, though I seem to have a knack for coming across as much more confrontational than intended. Not trying to start a war.
   18. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 01, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5876117)
It doubt it was light-hearted. Practically any mention of Tebow on this site is followed by anti-circumcision hysterics citing that as his damning character defect.
   19. JJ1986 Posted: September 01, 2019 at 02:34 PM (#5876118)
I hate Tebow, but it's not just his religion that made him into a superstar. Phillip Rivers is a very religious Christian and no one likes him.
   20. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 01, 2019 at 02:42 PM (#5876120)
Low bar for hate around here.
   21. OsunaSakata Posted: September 01, 2019 at 05:04 PM (#5876180)
I'm far from a religious person, but I thought someone should have taken Tebow as a backup. He must have been one of the 64 best quarterbacks in his last year. Same with Colin Kapernick. But the NFL is governed by groupthink, not a meritocracy, so neither got picked up.
   22. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: September 01, 2019 at 05:15 PM (#5876184)
It would by no means shock me to learn tomorrow that Kaepernick was blackballed, but I don't see his ongoing NFL unemployment as evidence in and of itself that a formal blackballing took place. It seems quite simple and likely to me that, though Kaepernick and Tim Tebow are in every way about as opposite as two people can be, they both bounced out of the NFL for essentially the same reason: they're not that good, and their skills don't fit into a vanilla NFL offense, and no coach or GM wants to deal with the incessant, day-after-day-after-day media circus that inevitably surrounds them engulfing the team for the sake of a maybe-pretty-decent backup quarterback.

Practically every team in the NFL wanted Tebow, it should be noted, as a hybrid running back/tight end that can run gadget plays. All four of his NFL employers (Broncos, Jets, Patriots, Eagles) tried hard to persuade him to play that role, but he wanted no part of it and chose to accept retirement instead.
   23. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: September 01, 2019 at 07:36 PM (#5876197)
Maybe because if it were not for his public displays of his Christian faith there would not be a large enough segment of people supporting him to make A) arguing that he was a legitimate NFL quarterback, B) signing him to a minor league baseball contract and C) undeservedly promoting him three levels rational decisions.


A) He was a legit NFL quarterback, dammit. Hardly one of the best, but certainly good enough to be in the league. (Hey, he's won a playoff game, which is more than you can say for that guy in Detroit who's being paid a kajillion dollars.)

B) He didn't seem to be a legit pro baseball player at first, I'll grant you, but he was a AA all-star last year. As I've said before: on a 0-10 scale, where 0 is Shaq Thompson, 7 is a legit major-leaguer and 10 is Mike Trout, Tebow went from about 1.5 to 5.5 in two years. Impressive.

C) Um, he was only promoted twice? The first one paid off, the second not so much.

Geez.

Low bar for hate around here.


Well, it's mostly Democrats. (Yeah, I went there.)
   24. Lassus Posted: September 01, 2019 at 08:09 PM (#5876208)
Low bar for hate around here.
Well, it's mostly Democrats.


Point out said Tebow hate in this thread you are referencing, please.
   25. Howie Menckel Posted: September 01, 2019 at 08:14 PM (#5876209)
I always thought the Patriots in particular could have found a 'gadget' home for Tebow.

lethal from the 1- or 2-yard line, and could have been interesting to be in for the occasional play. he just didn't seem to realize what his best role was.

the Tebow comebacks

you can skip the fawning lead to the story, but his "top 5 comebacks" were pretty good.

not a legit starter, but he had his moments
   26. RJ in TO Posted: September 01, 2019 at 08:29 PM (#5876210)
Well, it's mostly Democrats. (Yeah, I went there.)
Don't troll.
Point out said Tebow hate in this thread you are referencing, please.
Don't feed the trolls.
   27. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: September 01, 2019 at 08:30 PM (#5876212)
My understanding--and Howie, your understanding might be better than mine, so please share if it's different--is that it wasn't so much Tebow not understanding what his "best role" (i.e., best chance to stick in the NFL) was, but that he didn't care. He wanted nothing to do with gaining 30 pounds of bulk and getting concussed into oblivion playing fullback/tight end and blocking dudes. I say power to him.
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: September 01, 2019 at 08:42 PM (#5876216)
that could be, PASTE.

I think he already was big enough to play the role I described. he had a great nose for the end zone and could make critical split-second decisions. he also had more passing skills than any non-QBs, obviously, so that would have been an issue, too. you couldn't completely try and come at him because he could either throw downfield for a completion or maneuver free from a blitz.

might be one of those games in the link where he just juked and jived all the way down the field.

could be both: didn't want a part-time role as I suggested, and didn't want to have to make so many changes to get more playing time.
   29. Meatwad Posted: September 01, 2019 at 09:36 PM (#5876236)
Im pretty sure it was him not wanting to damage his brain more then he had to.
   30. my email address is hashtag 57i66135 Posted: September 01, 2019 at 10:09 PM (#5876243)
It seems quite simple and likely to me that, though Kaepernick and Tim Tebow are in every way about as opposite as two people can be, they both bounced out of the NFL for essentially the same reason: they're not that good
uh....kaepernick put up 45 points in a playoff game against green bay, throwing for 260 and running for another 180.

overall, his teams were 4-2 in the playoffs with wins @GB, @ATL and @CAR.


hell, the year he 'played himself out of the league', he had a 16:4 TD:INT ratio (despite the fact that noone who caught a pass from him is on an NFL roster right now...and the coach who was calling now has a 4-14 record at UCLA).
skills don't fit into a vanilla NFL offense
i know 2019 is trumps amurrikkkuh, but that's not even a dogwhistle.

if your "NFL" offense can't work with a guy who has this much ####### talent, you need to get a new career.
I guess your take is that he delights in torturing children and is willing to go cross oceans for the opporrunity?
well, he wouldn't be the first...
   31. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: September 02, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5876265)
Just some random thoughts on Tebow;

- While I find a lot of people who profess their faith publicly tend to be terrible people (see pretty much every TV preacher) Tebow strikes me as legit. One never knows of course but there hasn’t been anything to make me think he is anything other than genuine.

- I never understood why he got booted from the NFL so abruptly. He wasn’t very good but his teams won games and I’d at least keep him around long enough to figure out why. I think Howie in 25 is right, whether it was the Patriots or another team he seemed like a guy who could have been useful in an unconventional way.

- While I understand the attention on Tebow the reality is he is far from the only guy taking up a minor league roster spot with no chance of making it to the Majors. The Red Sox have a guy named Jake Romanski as their backup catcher in AA Portland with a .502 OPS. The minors are filled with guys who have no chance.
   32. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: September 02, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5876284)
Romanski has a rare and valuable skill: he plays catcher and isn't incompetent at it. The world is full of guys who can be a high minors corner OF, but there will always be a real need for no hopers who can pitch or catch.
Tebow strikes me as legit. One never knows of course but there hasn’t been anything to make me think he is anything other than genuine.
This 100%. I like Tebow now that he's no longer on a football field. And I certainly don't blame him for giving baseball a shot. If I was offered a 500-1 shot at a MLB career when I was 29 I would absolutely have taken it. The Mets have been cynical in all of this, but that's on them.
   33. bunyon Posted: September 02, 2019 at 01:30 PM (#5876287)
Indeed. If every one who had no shot at MLB quit, they'd only have enough for 4 teams, maybe, left. Just add those guys to MLB and we can enjoy someone breaking the Spiders mark every year.
   34. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 02, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5876289)
My problem with Tebow has nothing to do with him as a person; it has to do with how organization's like the Mets exploit someone they know lacks the ability to be a professional baseball player for marketing purposes.

This. Though at some point you'd think Tebow would've figured out the cynicism that was driving the Mets, and made a voluntary and graceful exit. If it wasn't obvious from Day One that he didn't have Major League talent, it was certainly obvious long before now.

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It seems quite simple and likely to me that, though Kaepernick and Tim Tebow are in every way about as opposite as two people can be, they both bounced out of the NFL for essentially the same reason: they're not that good

uh....kaepernick put up 45 points in a playoff game against green bay, throwing for 260 and running for another 180.

overall, his teams were 4-2 in the playoffs with wins @GB, @ATL and @CAR.

hell, the year he 'played himself out of the league', he had a 16:4 TD:INT ratio (despite the fact that noone who caught a pass from him is on an NFL roster right now...and the coach who was calling now has a 4-14 record at UCLA).

skills don't fit into a vanilla NFL offense

i know 2019 is trumps amurrikkkuh, but that's not even a dogwhistle.

if your "NFL" offense can't work with a guy who has this much ####### talent, you need to get a new career.


This, too. The Kaepernick blackball out of fear of some racist backlash is just disgraceful, plain pure and simple. But then given the right wing political sympathies of many of the NFL owners, it's not surprising in the least.

   35. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 02, 2019 at 07:32 PM (#5876314)
if your "NFL" offense can't work with a guy who has this much ####### talent, you need to get a new career.
As that highlight is new to me, all I say is, HFS, Kaep is/was fast.
   36. Lassus Posted: September 02, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5876326)
This. Though at some point you'd think Tebow would've figured out the cynicism that was driving the Mets, and made a voluntary and graceful exit. If it wasn't obvious from Day One that he didn't have Major League talent, it was certainly obvious long before now.

Sure. It's the Mets who were cynical.

FFS, do you guys even hear yourselves? Re-read bunyon's #33 about 20 times if you want to regain some perspective.
   37. my email address is hashtag 57i66135 Posted: September 02, 2019 at 10:58 PM (#5876361)
This, too. The Kaepernick blackball out of fear of some racist backlash is just disgraceful, plain pure and simple. But then given the right wing political sympathies of many of the NFL owners, it's not surprising in the least.

just to be less unclear...when i called out the phrase "vanilla offense" from [22] as a dogwhistle, that was snark.

but to strip away some of that snark for a moment:
-- tebow is not in the NFL because he was not good enough to be an NFL QB.
-- kaepernick is not in the NFL because he protested against institutionalized white supremacy.
As that highlight is new to me, all I say is, HFS, Kaep is/was fast.

the funny thing is that kaepernick is a perfect example of someone who is "deceptively" fast...except...well, you know. defenders constantly misjudged the angles they needed to take to get in front of him, and that was usually enough of an advantage for him to run right past.
   38. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 03, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5876443)
This Tebow farce has gone well past it's sell-by date.
   39. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: September 03, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5876468)
### B. Meow
   40. The Mighty Quintana Posted: September 03, 2019 at 03:41 PM (#5876492)
There was just never any snap in his bat...ya can look like Adonis but if the wrists don't snap, you're lost in baseball.

Same for his NFL flyer at H-back, after the QB thing got played out. He could carry three college LBs past the first down marker, but those NFL LBs are another level. Never had the burst to get around them.

   41. Lassus Posted: September 03, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5876497)
This Tebow farce has gone well past it's sell-by date.

How far past the sell-by date was his farcical AA all-star selection in 2018? (I have no idea how AA All-Stars are even picked.)

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