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Thursday, February 02, 2012

Tino Martinez savors place in Ted Williams Hitters Hall of Fame

Woo-hoo! Next stop, the St. Louis Cardinals Hall of Fame!

Tino Martinez only met Ted Williams once, a chance passing at Fenway Park in the early 1990s when Martinez was first establishing himself as a major-leaguer. Martinez, the quiet kid from Tampa, stumbled through a forgettable version of hello; Williams, the game’s pre-eminent expert on hitting, replied with words as memorable now as that afternoon:

‘‘You’ve got a great swing.”

Martinez swung that way for most of 16 seasons, piling up strong numbers (a .271 average, 339 homers, 1,271 RBIs) and, most impressively, four World Series championships. And Friday, in a ceremony at Tropicana Field, Martinez will be inducted into the Ted Williams Hitters Hall of Fame.

“Obviously I’m not going to the major-league baseball Hall of Fame, but to be considered and have the criteria to get into the Ted Williams Hall is quite an honor,” Martinez said. “I can’t think of anything better, (other) than the major-league baseball Hall of Fame, than the Ted Williams Hall.”

...And there was talk of catching on somewhere to get to 2,000 hits — he finished with 1,925, plus 83 in the postseason — but decided, “You don’t stick around for the numbers.”

Repoz Posted: February 02, 2012 at 05:51 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:13 PM (#4052272)
What's the criteria? Lily-white hitter with a hispanic background?
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4052274)
Williams, the game’s pre-eminent expert on hitting, replied with words as memorable now as that afternoon:

‘‘You’ve got a great swing.”


Jimmy Dugan had better advice.
   3. Guapo Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:28 PM (#4052279)
Lily-white hitter with a hispanic background?


I hope not, because Cecil Fielder is supposed to be the other inductee this year, and that could be awkward.

http://www.tedwilliamsmuseum.com/inductees/

Looks like a pretty impressive group... Tino may be the worst inductee to date. Odd that McGwire has been inducted, but not Bagwell or Palmeiro.

   4. Boxkutter Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4052280)
Odd that McGwire has been inducted, but not Bagwell or Palmeiro.


The TWHHOF doesn't want no guys in there that have questions about whether they used roids or not. You either did or you didn't.
   5. phredbird Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4052282)
What's the criteria?


most popups with RISP as a cardinal.
   6. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:37 PM (#4052286)
Martinez swung that way for most of 16 seasons, piling up strong numbers (a .271 average, 339 homers, 1,271 RBIs) and, most impressively, four World Series championships.

It's a good thing he pulled off that last part all by himself.

Since I'm too lazy to RTFA, what is the criteria to get in?
   7. jingoist Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:39 PM (#4052288)
"Jimmy Dugan had better advice."

What's that; "there's no crying in baseball"?
   8. Athletic Supporter leads the nation in drifters Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4052292)
Since I'm too lazy to RTFA, what is the criteria to get in?


Good choice. It doesn't say in the article either.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4052295)
most popups to second base with RISP as a cardinal.


clarified that for you
   10. Walt Davis Posted: February 02, 2012 at 07:14 PM (#4052308)
Dom DiMaggio was not a name I expected to see.

There's also a "Wall of Achievement" which is apparently only for pitchers. Not sure what David Price did to get inducted -- first decent pitcher in Tampa history?

They apparently used to give a "most productive hitter of the year award" but stopped after 2006 -- perhaps because they gave it to Freddy Sanchez (and Joe "Maurer") and Ted's ghost visited them and kicked the #### out of them.

There was also the Splendid Splinter Award which honors ... well, it seems obvious at first but ...

1996 McGwire
1997 McGwire
1998 Sosa
1999 Ripken
2000 Nomar
2001 Jeter (I vaguely recall somebody hitting 73 HR that year)
2002 Bonds & Thome
2003 Delgado & Pujols
2004 Brooks Robinson (he had a hell of a year!)
2005 Ortiz
2006 Howard
2007 Carlos Pena
   11. phredbird Posted: February 02, 2012 at 07:25 PM (#4052318)
most popups to second base with RISP as a cardinal.


clarified that for you


yeah, thanks.
   12. bobm Posted: February 02, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4052337)
I think there should be a Hall of Fame Hall of Fame, dedicated to immortalizing the best of the Halls of Fame, from sports and other endeavors. Whether walks of fame and walls of fame should be included would be a matter of some controversy.
   13. Srul Itza Posted: February 02, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4052339)
"Jimmy Dugan had better advice."


What's that; "there's no crying in baseball"?


Avoid the clap.
   14. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: February 02, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4052373)
Martinez will be inducted into the Ted Williams Hitters Hall of Fame.

If the criteria is "must be as good as Tino Martinez," they must have an enormous amount of wall space for plaques.
   15. Select Storage Device Posted: February 02, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4052404)
Two things struck me:

"This has to be a Tampa thing."

"The Ted Williams Hitters HOF is in Tampa??? I've been here for 30 years."
   16. Posada Posse Posted: February 02, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4052438)
I think he was inducted in the wrong Hall. Is there a Harold Baines Hall of Very Good or something?
   17. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: February 03, 2012 at 01:26 AM (#4052516)
I think the acceptance letter was accidentally mailed to Tino instead of Edgar. Probably happens all the time.

As already mentioned, no Bagwell, and I don't see Griffey in there either. Some kind of waiting period after retirement in effect?
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: February 03, 2012 at 01:31 AM (#4052519)
I think he was inducted in the wrong Hall. Is there a Harold Baines Hall of Very Good or something?


I missed the years he was very good. Looking at bb-ref....still don't see it. I see a couple of good years, but I'm flabberghasted at how much love he gets for a guy who really was mostly an average player for a most of his career.

Heck if they had a hall of just good players, I'm still not sure he belongs. From a Cardinal fan point of view, he's a lesser version of a first baseman version of Tommy Herr with a few more hanging on there years.
   19. McCoy Posted: February 03, 2012 at 01:56 AM (#4052532)
I'm betting that now that Ted is dead the Hall is basically inducting whomever will actually show up for the event.

I have no idea if Tino still lives in Tampa or not but he is from there, probably has family there, and if doesn't live there now is perfectly happy to comeback for this event. Then throw in the fact that he was a recent famous Yankee and the area has a lot of relocated Yankee fans and it looks like this was a draw induction.
   20. Monty Posted: February 03, 2012 at 02:46 AM (#4052548)
I think there should be a Hall of Fame Hall of Fame, dedicated to immortalizing the best of the Halls of Fame, from sports and other endeavors. Whether walks of fame and walls of fame should be included would be a matter of some controversy.


I would pitch that to Grantland.
   21. CrosbyBird Posted: February 03, 2012 at 04:12 AM (#4052584)
I think there should be a Hall of Fame Hall of Fame, dedicated to immortalizing the best of the Halls of Fame, from sports and other endeavors.

You think you're clever, but it's Halls of Fame all the way down!
   22. RMc is the loyal supporter of the MLB event Posted: February 03, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4053162)
You think you're clever, but it's Halls of Fame all the way down!

I never understood why Bertrand Russell didn't just reply, "Turtles all the way down to what, dumbass?"

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