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Friday, April 12, 2013

Tom Grieve on fans in Anaheim booing Angels: ‘Evidently, they’re not baseball fans out there either’

Don’t Grieve! Anything you lose comes round in another form!

Well, during the bottom of the fifth inning of the Rangers’ game at Seattle on Thursday night, Rangers television play-by-play announcer Steve Busby went to Fox Sports Southwest’s Dana Larson for an update on the Oakland-Angels game in Anaheim.

Larson reported that the A’s were leading the Angels, currently in last place in the American League West, 3-1.

Larson threw it back upstairs to Busby and Rangers’ color analyst Tom Grieve.

Tom Grieve: ”Evidently there’s been some ‘boos’ toward the Angels out in Anaheim. I wonder what that means. They’re not a football town. They’re not a basketball town. What are they? Evidently they’re not baseball fans out there either.”

Steve Busby: ”Disgruntled Angels fans?”

Tom Grieve: ”I guess.”

Repoz Posted: April 12, 2013 at 06:56 AM | 67 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 07:33 AM (#4411484)
Oh, it's on now! As much fun as it was for the A's to humiliate the Angels for their home opening series and send Angel fans to an early exit, Mike Trout and Josh Hamilton are eventually going to start hitting home runs, so the Rangers might want to tone down the smug. It's very, very early. I am really not impressed by that Angels pitching staff, though.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 12, 2013 at 09:26 AM (#4411549)
It's very, very early. I am really not impressed by that Angels pitching staff, though.

It's early, but Weaver looks like he's broken (even before the broken arm) and the rest of their pitching is...not good.

Wilson we be goodish, Vargas is a league average innings eater, but Blanton, Hanson, and Richards are just scary. I don't think you can win the West with that rotation.
   3. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 09:46 AM (#4411564)
Tommy hanson is terrible.
   4. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 09:49 AM (#4411567)
Tommy hanson is terrible.

He had an ok first start. We'll see.

edit: Blech. I don't like sticking up for the Angels. Burn their villages! Salt their fields!
   5. Shredder Posted: April 12, 2013 at 09:58 AM (#4411579)
The pitching is as bad as we feared it could be, and the offense is much worse than expected. I'm not sure Scioscia survives April. I'm usually the last guy on the "fire the coach" bandwagon, but something desperately needs to change.

On the plus side, the lockout pushed the hockey season later into the year, which means I don't have to care about baseball until the Angels are officially eliminated, which looks like it will happen sometime in late June, hopefully coinciding with another deep playoff run by the Kings.
   6. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 09:59 AM (#4411583)
I'm not sure Scioscia survives April.

He has 5 years left on his contract!
   7. Dale Sams Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:02 AM (#4411586)
What are they? Evidently they’re not baseball fans out there either


Rangers announcers calling out fans? Hilarious. Rangers have been good since...2010?
   8. Shredder Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:06 AM (#4411591)
He has 5 years left on his contract!
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
   9. DA Baracus Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:07 AM (#4411592)
He had an ok first start. We'll see.


His shoulder was a bag of shredded lettuce last year. I wouldn't hold out hope.
   10. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:12 AM (#4411597)
What the hell does that have to do with anything?

It's a big payoff is all. Not that the Angels don't mind throwing good money after bad.
   11. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:29 AM (#4411627)
Rangers announcers calling out fans? Hilarious. Rangers have been good since...2010?
Seriously. #### those guys. The Rangers didn't break the 3 million mark in attendance until last year, after two World Series appearances. The Angels have been over 3 million every season for a decade now. You gotta respect the great job the organization's done, but #### everything else about the Rangers.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:33 AM (#4411636)
I'm not sure Scioscia survives April. I'm usually the last guy on the "fire the coach" bandwagon, but something desperately needs to change.


I've come around to the idea that teams are generally too quick to fire managers who have demonstrated long-term competence, and Scioscia obviously has a very good track record with the Angels. I don't follow the team nearly as closely as you or Los Angeles El Hombre etc., but it seems to me that firing Scioscia would need to be the result of one of two things: Either his managerial skills have changed such that he's not a good manager anymore, or the team has changed so drastically that what Scioscia is good at doesn't benefit the team as well as another manager's skills might.

Either of those may be true, but it seems to me that if you fire Scioscia, the best you could hope for is that you find someone as good as Scioscia has been over the past decade. If you have some hot managerial candidate that you think could be a long-term success, that's one thing. But if you're going to fire him because "something needs to change," and install some bench coach just because he happens to be hanging around the organization, I'd be very reluctant to do that.
   13. Shredder Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:33 AM (#4411637)
Seriously. #### those guys. The Rangers didn't break the 3 million mark in attendance until last year, after two World Series appearances. The Angels have been over 3 million every season for a decade now. You gotta respect the great job the organization's done, but #### everything else about the Rangers.
I wouldn't get all bent out of shape about it. It's not so much a shot at the Angels as it is at Hamilton. Methinks Grieve doth protest too much.
   14. Shredder Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM (#4411642)
Either his managerial skills have changed such that he's not a good manager anymore, or the team has changed so drastically that what Scioscia is good at doesn't benefit the team as well as another manager's skills might.
A third reason would be that the managerial philosophy simply doesn't jibe with the organizational philosophy coming from the GM. Scioscia and Stoneman worked really well together, but the jury is still out on Scioscia and DiPoto. With regard to his managerial skills, well, the proof is increasingly in the Jepsen.
   15. Hack Wilson Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:38 AM (#4411646)
Well if any Angels' fans are interested I have three cloven goat's hooves remaining that could be sent to the team owner of the Angels.
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM (#4411652)
Didn't Scioscia make his bones in part by getting a lot out of retread relievers like Ben Weber and Brendan Donnelly? That's what I wonder about (and I stress again that I don't know the answer to this). Has he lost the ability to identify bullpen arms, or was he just lucky back then? What has changed?
   17. Matt Welch Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4411655)
Scioscia and Stoneman worked really well together, but the jury is still out on Scioscia and DiPoto.

Success can beget rot, particularly when the supporting intellectual talent leaves. Stoneman was great, but the handpicked Reagins was turrible. Scioscia was much better when he was surrounded by Maddon, Black, and Roenicke. At some point it becomes like a newspaper after all the buyouts -- the talented folk leave, the do-nothing lifers remain, and the troops grow increasingly immune to the increasingly out-of-touch commands from the top guy. Or something like that.

Whatever, something's seriously out of whack right now, and there's no feeling of harmony (that you had, say, in the middle of last decade) between organizational philosophy, game strategy, personnel, and (especially) confronting the intelligent competition.
   18. Spivey Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4411659)
Watching Angels fans get bent out of shape is amusing.

Comparing Rangers attendance and Angels attendance over the last decade is pointless, since the quality of teams is the main driver in attendance. This is true even in places like New York and Boston.

I hate Scioscia, but I think firing him would be a big mistake.

I hate Tom Grieve, so I'm a bit loathe to defend him, but I think his smug ass comment simply meant to point out this clear truth: The boo birds are going to come out anywhere expectations are high and the play on the field is poor.
   19. Matt Welch Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:47 AM (#4411660)
Didn't Scioscia make his bones in part by getting a lot out of retread relievers like Ben Weber and Brendan Donnelly? That's what I wonder about (and I stress again that I don't know the answer to this). Has he lost the ability to identify bullpen arms, or was he just lucky back then? What has changed?

A LOT of that bullpen-retread reputation was built by the regime prior to Scioscia-Stoneman. They basically inherited most of that, plus Percival/K-Rod/Shields, and by the time the inherited assets deteriorated they had nothing left. Bullpen's been a shambles for years.
   20. The Good Face Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:51 AM (#4411664)
It's early, but Weaver looks like he's broken (even before the broken arm) and the rest of their pitching is...not good.

Wilson we be goodish, Vargas is a league average innings eater, but Blanton, Hanson, and Richards are just scary. I don't think you can win the West with that rotation.


Yeah, if Weaver's not himself, that's a pretty mediocre rotation at best, but right now nobody's really hitting for them other than Pujols and Bourjos. At some point those bats are going to wake up and that team is going to bludgeon their way to some wins. Way too early to panic with all the talent on that club.
   21. Shredder Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:52 AM (#4411667)
Didn't Scioscia make his bones in part by getting a lot out of retread relievers like Ben Weber and Brendan Donnelly? That's what I wonder about (and I stress again that I don't know the answer to this). Has he lost the ability to identify bullpen arms, or was he just lucky back then? What has changed?
What changed? Bud Black got hired by the Padres.
   22. Shredder Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:58 AM (#4411672)
Comparing Rangers attendance and Angels attendance over the last decade is pointless, since the quality of teams is the main driver in attendance. This is true even in places like New York and Boston.
We can go back through time, but the Angels routinely drew over 2 million even when they had terrible teams and when the stadium was still set up for football. The Rangers have been good since the late '90s, but they haven't been a playoff team all that time, and when they weren't that good, they were at least entertaining. If anything it has more to do with the heat in Arlington I would think. But I don't really think you want to compare "Bad Rangers" attendance with "Bad Angels" attendance. The Angels win that battle pretty handily I suspect (though I can't get the B-Ref attendance page to load for some reason).
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM (#4411674)
Ben Weber retired after spring training in 2007. Ben then attended Texas Chiropractic College where he obtained his doctorate of chiropractic degree. He presently resides in Montgomery, Alabama with his wife Marisa and his triplets Jack, Alexis,and Chloe. Dr. Ben Weber, practices at Health Star Chiropractic where he helps patients with all kinds of problems, including sports injuries.
   24. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:01 AM (#4411676)
I'm not sure Scioscia survives April. I'm usually the last guy on the "fire the coach" bandwagon, but something desperately needs to change.

We went through this last year. If Scioscia got fired, he and his agent would be fielding multiple phone calls from other teams within about an hour of the news dropping. He's one of the most respected and well thought of managers in baseball.

Relax bro, we're only a week and a half into the season.
   25. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:11 AM (#4411684)
So the consensus among Angel fans is that Scioscia has never been much of a manager? That's not what I would have expected.
   26. Shredder Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:13 AM (#4411689)
He's one of the most respected and well thought of managers in baseball.
A guy can be a great manager and just not working for a particular team. I think Ben Howland is a great basketball coach, but something just wasn't working at UCLA the last few years. Getting fired doesn't mean that he or Scioscia are bad coaches.
So the consensus among Angel fans is that Scioscia has never been much of a manager? That's not what I would have expected.
I don't think this is true. I think the way he managed all facets of the club for most of the '00s was excellent. I think he's gotten a little predictable over the years in terms of strategy, and his bullpen usage has probably gotten worse, but that's because he hasn't adjusted to different personnel. Defined roles are great when you have guys that fit those roles really well, which he had with Donnelly, K-Rod, and Percival. He doesn't have that now, and he hasn't really adjusted well.
   27. TerpNats Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:18 AM (#4411697)
Fire Scioscia, snd the Nats have their successor to Davey Johnson in 2014.
   28. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:22 AM (#4411703)
I think Scioscia is probably in the same boat Francona was during his last year or two in Boston. There are probably some players tuning him out and there is probably some burnout at work also. It might be time for the two to part ways not because Scoscia isn't a good manager but because he's not the right manager for this particular team.

Do NOT hire Bobby Valentine as his successor though.
   29. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4411705)
I think Scioscia is probably in the same boat Francona was during his last year or two in Boston. There are probably some players tuning him out and there is probably some burnout at work also. It might be time for the two to part ways not because Scoscia isn't a good manager but because he's not the right manager for this particular team.

There's probably a lot of truth in this. Sometimes you just need a different voice or different leadership and it's not a case of "good" or "bad".
   30. Tripon Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM (#4411713)
I don't think this is true. I think the way he managed all facets of the club for most of the '00s was excellent. I think he's gotten a little predictable over the years in terms of strategy, and his bullpen usage has probably gotten worse, but that's because he hasn't adjusted to different personnel. Defined roles are great when you have guys that fit those roles really well, which he had with Donnelly, K-Rod, and Percival. He doesn't have that now, and he hasn't really adjusted well.


As a Dodgers fan living in the OC who has gone to a couple of games a year, (so take that as you will), I think some of the issue with Scioscia is his inability to sit some of his favorite players down for younger, more talented players. The team had to trade Jeff Mathis just to get Scioscia to stop playing him.
   31. BDC Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM (#4411715)
It's not so much a shot at the Angels as it is at Hamilton

Exactly. The context isn't that Orange County and environs are a bad baseball town; in fact the dig depends on everyone knowing they're a good one. The context is that Josh Hamilton equates being booed when he fails with bad baseball culture.

And I also agree that Grieve and Busby should not have taken this bait (as Randy Galloway also does today in the Startlegram, managing to drag Hamilton's wife Katie into the discussion). Talk about staring up at majestic molehills.
   32. bob gee Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM (#4411720)
am just glad (as rooting for the a's) that they played california now when there are quiet bats in anaheim.

can't believe oakland is +33 runs 10 games into the season! friendly schedule and all, but it's pretty impressive.
   33. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM (#4411727)
that they played california now when there are quiet bats in anaheim.

Old school! I like it.
   34. Matt Welch Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:55 AM (#4411754)
So the consensus among Angel fans is that Scioscia has never been much of a manager? That's not what I would have expected.

He's the best manager in franchise history by a wide margin, and has been one of the best in baseball until the last few years. But his flaws have been getting flawier.
   35. lonestarball Posted: April 12, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4411763)

Rangers announcers calling out fans? Hilarious. Rangers have been good since...2010?


He is calling out Josh Hamilton, not Angels fans.
   36. a bebop a rebop Posted: April 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM (#4411786)
But I don't really think you want to compare "Bad Rangers" attendance with "Bad Angels" attendance. The Angels win that battle pretty handily I suspect (though I can't get the B-Ref attendance page to load for some reason).


1989-2012 (arbitrary end points!):

Angels
Average wins: 82.7
Playoffs: 6
ALCS: 3
WS: 1
WS wins: 1
Average attendance: 2,600,000

Rangers
Average wins: 81.0
Playoffs: 6
ALCS: 2
WS: 2
WS wins: 0
Average attendance: 2,480,000

Not exactly a clear victory for either team. The Angels have been slightly more successful and had slightly higher attendance.

Before 1989 the story is a bit different -- the Angels clearly won the decade of the 80s. But the Rangers are a much younger franchise. Interestingly, over the first 20 years of each team (1961-1980 for the Angels, 1972-1991 for the Rangers), the Angels had slightly better teams (76.6 vs. 75.1 wins) but the Rangers had better attendance (1,360,000 to 1,160,000).
   37. cardsfanboy Posted: April 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM (#4411791)
If they fired Scioscia,how long before the TLR rumors in Anaheim start up? The rumors of him in Cincy have died down after Baker won another division title, but if you have veteran players tuning out the manager, I imagine TLR would be on the short list of sought after managers to fix that problem.

(though I can't get the B-Ref attendance page to load for some reason).


I've had that problem a couple of times in the past month or two. It seems to be working for me now, but not sure why it wasn't loading before.
   38. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 12, 2013 at 01:13 PM (#4411871)
He is calling out Josh Hamilton, not Angels fans.
Tom Grieve: ”Evidently there’s been some ‘boos’ toward the Angels out in Anaheim. I wonder what that means. They’re not a football town. They’re not a basketball town. What are they? Evidently they’re not baseball fans out there either.”
Yeah, I think I'm going to go ahead and say that Hamilton's taking a shot at both.

He's the best manager in franchise history by a wide margin, and has been one of the best in baseball until the last few years. But his flaws have been getting flawier.
I think Scioscia's been an outstanding manager in terms of managing personalities and keeping a steady ship — last year's team went 8-15 in April and still won 89 games. One can pick at his flaws (and they've been pointed out above), but I'd keep him around until there's a clubhouse riot or something.
   39. Bob Tufts Posted: April 12, 2013 at 01:25 PM (#4411881)
I'm not sure Scioscia survives April.


Once we thought that Mike Scioscia might not live through the night, but he survivied.....
   40. AROM Posted: April 12, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4411904)
If they fired Scioscia,how long before the TLR rumors in Anaheim start up? The rumors of him in Cincy have died down after Baker won another division title, but if you have veteran players tuning out the manager, I imagine TLR would be on the short list of sought after managers to fix that problem.


Tony is 68 years old. I know Jack McKean managed at an older age than that, but Tony, in stepping down, seemed to be as at peace with his decision as anyone I've ever seen. I'd put chances of him managing anywhere as about as likely as Chipper Jones coming out of retirement.


   41. cardsfanboy Posted: April 12, 2013 at 01:53 PM (#4411920)
Tony is 68 years old. I know Jack McKean managed at an older age than that, but Tony, in stepping down, seemed to be as at peace with his decision as anyone I've ever seen. I'd put chances of him managing anywhere as about as likely as Chipper Jones coming out of retirement.


When he stepped down it didn't feel like he was at peace, just that he was tired of the political bs he had in St Louis, losing authority, and unappreciative fans. It seemed everyone in St Louis had him going to the Reds or Angels within a year(or Dodgers since he's said he doesn't like AL style of play after being in the NL for so long) Of course I think if he takes another managers job, he will probably want a contract that guarantees him more control of the team than he had. He would be the next Bobby Cox/Whitey Herzog constructionist.
   42. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:08 PM (#4411943)
41. Wouldn't the Mets make the most sense, considering the Alderson connection? Also, here's a whacky prediction: Ozzie Guillen takes over the managerial reigns in Anaheim.
   43. AROM Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:11 PM (#4411952)
Also, here's a whacky prediction: Ozzie Guillen takes over the managerial reigns in Anaheim.


That is cruel, below the belt, and totally uncalled for.
   44. cardsfanboy Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:13 PM (#4411955)
41. Wouldn't the Mets make the most sense, considering the Alderson connection? Also, here's a whacky prediction: Ozzie Guillen takes over the managerial reigns in Anaheim.


Not really, the story was he didn't want to leave California, and only reason Cincy was an option was because of Jocketty who he worked very well with(who's removal from the team was the pinnacle of the political bs that saw him losing control/authority) That was the rumors at the time of his quitting. Of course being rumors who knows how much(if any) truth to the stories was in them.
   45. AROM Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:15 PM (#4411960)
When he stepped down it didn't feel like he was at peace, just that he was tired of the political bs he had in St Louis, losing authority, and unappreciative fans.


I'll defer to your take, as being Cardsfanboy I'm sure you've followed the LaRussa stories more than I have. I do think the age would be a huge issue, while it has been done, running a ballclub is not something many 68 year olds can do, even among those few who were great at it while younger. Taking on more responsibility/control than he's normally had seems a big longshot given the age.

That said, if he took over and brought Duncan out of retirement with him, I can think of worse ways to fix a pitching staff.
   46. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4411963)
If the fans are so bad, they could move the team. How does Los Angeles Angels of Las Vegas sound?
   47. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:18 PM (#4411964)
I'm not sure Scioscia survives April.


Sir, Mike Scioscia may not live through the Spring
   48. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4411968)
Even if he survives, he's radioactive, man!
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4411982)
Even if he survives, he's radioactive, man!

Who's Fallout Boy? Jeff Mathis?
   50. AROM Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4411983)
If the fans are so bad, they could move the team. How does Los Angeles Angels of Las Vegas sound?


As a name change or actual move? Nothing wrong with the fans in OC. The opinions of a Texan counting for precisely nothing. They show up in a force of 3 million + per year, watch plenty of games on Fox Sports West to entice that network into a huge contract, and make Arte Moreno an even wealthier man. Those in charge can look past a few boos.
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4411994)
If the fans are so bad, they could move the team. How does Los Angeles Angels of Las Vegas sound?


As Arom pointed out, it wasn't the Angels fans that were bad. It was an opinion by someone for a rival team who wasn't there. Heck the Cardinals fans booed the Cardinals on opening day this year. Not something I'm proud of from my fellow fans, but I find it hard that anyone would accuse the Cardinal fans of not being baseball fans and being taken seriously.

   52. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4411996)
(nb: I do not really think that one instance of self-booing means that the team needs to move to Las Vegas)
   53. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:36 PM (#4412005)
Who's Fallout Boy? Jeff Mathis?

Ha! Up and at them!
   54. rr Posted: April 12, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4412014)
Isn't it reasonable to suggest that booing indicates passion and intensity, so the fact that they are pissed off the team is 2-7 with a massive payroll shows that they ARE fans? I mean, I think everybody sees Phillies fans, MLB's most infamous booers, as really caring about the Phillies, right?

   55. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: April 12, 2013 at 03:20 PM (#4412060)
Santa Claus just wasn't living up to his contract
   56. Shredder Posted: April 12, 2013 at 04:17 PM (#4412122)
Also, as far as booing is concerned, when:

-in your first home at bat with your new team;
-trailing by three;
-with the bases loaded an no one out;
-with two of those runners (including the one immediately preceding) on base via a walk;
-you are thrown three straight pitches out of the strike zone...

...and you strike out? You deserve to be booed. Mercilessly.

   57. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 12, 2013 at 04:17 PM (#4412123)
41. Wouldn't the Mets make the most sense, considering the Alderson connection? Also, here's a whacky prediction: Ozzie Guillen takes over the managerial reigns in Anaheim.


Yikes. Why would a guy with any options at all take a dead end job with a ridiculous ownership?

One thing that surprises me a little about the Mets situation is that Terry Collins may well have options. Prior to taking the Mets job he didn't.
   58. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 12, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4412176)
how about guillen to the mets?
   59. Walt Davis Posted: April 12, 2013 at 05:01 PM (#4412191)
So Scioscia was good in the beginning ...
   60. spike Posted: April 12, 2013 at 05:41 PM (#4412250)
Hanson's downward spiral is a crying shame. He really looked poised for greatness, but it's pretty clear he's not right, and probably permanently so.
   61. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 12, 2013 at 05:58 PM (#4412262)
how about guillen to the mets?


I'll put the over/under on Guillen getting into a knock down with Jeff Wilpon at five weeks. And take the under.
   62. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: April 12, 2013 at 08:35 PM (#4412412)
Have to imagine that the ability to surgically repair shoulders will be the next great value add in baseball related sports medicine ...
   63. lonestarball Posted: April 12, 2013 at 08:55 PM (#4412437)

As Arom pointed out, it wasn't the Angels fans that were bad. It was an opinion by someone for a rival team who wasn't there.


Again, as someone familiar with Grieve and the context of the quote, he wasn't opining about the Anaheim fans. He wasn't saying the Anaheim fans were bad. He was taking a shot at Hamilton.
   64. Shredder Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:08 PM (#4412713)
Ok, I'm fully on board the fire Sosh bandwagon now. Ridiculous defensive set ups with regard to the pitches being called. The catcher bunting for a hit in the second inning. There is nothing that is not 100% wrong with this team, including Mike "MVDP" Trout.
   65. Walt Davis Posted: April 13, 2013 at 12:57 AM (#4412804)
There is nothing that is not 100% wrong with this team

Albert Pujols would not listen if you called.

Whoa! Brendan Harris sighting.
   66. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 13, 2013 at 04:45 AM (#4412881)
I mean, I think everybody sees Phillies fans, MLB's most infamous booers, as really caring about the Phillies, right?

Not really. I see them as being really dedicated to being ########.
   67. JE (Jason) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:12 AM (#4412895)
He was taking a shot at Hamilton.

After the way last night's game ended, I'm sure lots of Halos fans are taking shots at Hamilton too.

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