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Wednesday, December 05, 2012

Tomaso: Sammy Sosa’s Fans Reject Him Now

Yea, right…like Big Bully Busick’s deadly Stump Puller move wasn’t legit.

The human need to be entertained is well understood. We all watch and read fiction stories. Sometimes we participate in the drama, like attending and cheering on professional wrestling. I remember my father taking me to see Hulk Hogan at the Rosemont Horizon facing off against Macho Man Randy Savage. I was too young to know it was fake, but the adults there knew and enjoyed the experience nonetheless.

The cheering at those wrestling matches reminds me so much of Cubs fan’s reaction when Sosa would come running out of the dugout sprinting towards right field before the start of each game. The fans cheered their hero on in approval.

It took professional wrestling some 80 years to finally admit it’s fake.

How long will it take Sammy Sosa?

Repoz Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:28 AM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:52 AM (#4317493)
all the national media attention that came with Sosa passing Babe Ruth's home run record in 1998.


The 154-game unasterisked home run record?
   2. McCoy Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:53 AM (#4317494)
I cheered the fact that Sosa was helping the Cubs win the few games they did win while he was playing but I was no fan of Sosa's. I remember around 1999 I wanted to get a jersey but couldn't figure out which player I wanted on the back. There was no way in hell I was getting Grace or Sosa on my back and Wood was just an injured rookie at the time. I settled on Sandberg.
   3. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:03 AM (#4317507)
Nick Busick's stump-puller could rip your head clean off, you pencil-necked geek.
   4. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:33 AM (#4317541)
Sammy was a charismatic and entertaining player, and I enjoyed him -- the close resemblance between his peak numbers and Bud Selig's bleach blond hair notwithstanding.
   5. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:44 AM (#4317550)
Never did like him. I blame his ballerina-channeling little hop after his HRs.
   6. plim Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:59 AM (#4317574)
Despite being a Red Sox fan, the only autograph I have is Sammy Sosa. I was at Spring Training in 2001. At the time, thought it might be a mini-investment. Oh well.
   7. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:09 AM (#4317586)
66-63-50-64-49.

You just can't escape it. Sammy was an Xbox avatar.

   8. John Northey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4317607)
Sosa had a peak of 40 HR before 1998, so that was a 26 HR jump. Kirby Puckett went from 0 to 4 to 31 over a 3 year stretch of at least 580+ PA per year (700+ the last 2 years). That is a 27 HR jump. Still blows my mind that no sports report has asked if Puckett was the first PED guy in the HOF as the warning signs are all over the place with him - from HR jump to the violence he exhibited after retiring and eventual passing away.
   9. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4317618)
Games / Hits / K's

2354/ 2408 / 2306
   10. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4317626)
Never did like him. I blame his ballerina-channeling little hop after his HRs.


I kind of liked that. It had a bit of child-like joy in it, like he's trying to will it to get "up".
It reminded me of Carlton Fisk's famous home run.
   11. dlf Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:51 AM (#4317639)
Sosa had a peak of 40 HR before 1998, so that was a 26 HR jump. Kirby Puckett went from 0 to 4 to 31 over a 3 year stretch of at least 580+ PA per year (700+ the last 2 years). That is a 27 HR jump. Still blows my mind that no sports report has asked if Puckett was the first PED guy in the HOF as the warning signs are all over the place with him - from HR jump to the violence he exhibited after retiring and eventual passing away.


As asking Kirby now would be rather fruitless, I'd settle for pointed questions to Carlton Fisk who, as a well known weightlifting fanatic many years after the introduction of steroids to competitive athletics, had a career high (and nearly league leading) 37 homers, 42% over his previous best, at age 37. And I'd hate to point out that Typoid Mary LaRussa was his manager.
   12. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4317642)
Re: #9

                                    
Rk             Player    G    H   SO
1      Reggie Jackson 2820 2584 2597
2           Jim Thome 2543 2328 2548
3      Alex Rodriguez 2524 2901 2032
4          Sammy Sosa 2354 2408 2306
5    Andres Galarraga 2257 2333 2003


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 12/5/2012.

I was surprised how few players there were in the 2000/2000/2000 club.

Bobby Abreu needs 181K to make the list, and Jeter is 257K away.
There isn't anyone else active that has broken 1500 for all three (G/H/K).
   13. JL Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4317652)
Sosa had a peak of 40 HR before 1998, so that was a 26 HR jump. Kirby Puckett went from 0 to 4 to 31 over a 3 year stretch of at least 580+ PA per year (700+ the last 2 years). That is a 27 HR jump. Still blows my mind that no sports report has asked if Puckett was the first PED guy in the HOF as the warning signs are all over the place with him - from HR jump to the violence he exhibited after retiring and eventual passing away.

It should be noted that the 40 HR season (1996) was in 124 games (and the previous years 36 was in 144 games). Not that you are going after Sosa, but I don't think his jump is quite as unanticipated as the bare numbers suggest.
   14. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4317671)
I was surprised how few players there were in the 2000/2000/2000 club.


That's just the 2000 strikeout club, minus Adam Dunn, who has 1422 hits in 1721 games. Gives me a new appreciation for Dunn's career.
   15. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4317674)
No I don't.
   16. Brian C Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4317694)
Well, I for one am not going to engage in all this "I never liked Sammy" revisionist posturing. I was a big fan, was disappointed in his early decline, thought he got a bad rap when he left the Cubs, and haven't enjoyed the piling-on that's gone on ever since.
   17. BDC Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4317696)
If there ever was a case of a team getting the rinds of a career while somebody else got the juicy parts, it's the Rangers and Sammy Sosa. He hit his first and last home runs in a Ranger uniform and most of the other 607 for the Cubs. I made some crack in a column I wrote long ago that Harold Baines would end up with more RBIs than Sosa could dream of, and though facetious it almost turned out to be true. Sosa was still behind Baines till his final comeback year with Texas. On the whole, though, I do wish they hadn't made that trade :)
   18. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4317722)
It should be noted that the 40 HR season (1996) was in 124 games (and the previous years 36 was in 144 games). Not that you are going after Sosa, but I don't think his jump is quite as unanticipated as the bare numbers suggest.

True. He was on pace to lead the league with 52 HR when Mark Hutton -- whose control that day made playoff Rick Ankiel look like Greg Maddux: 5 batters faced, 4 BB, 1 HBP -- broke a bone in his right hand with a wayward fastball. Oddly enough, at least by WAR, Sosa was also on pace for a better overall season than 1998 or any other year of his career besides 2001.

Sosa was still behind Baines till his final comeback year with Texas. On the whole, though, I do wish they hadn't made that trade :)

It will forever be remembered as the biggest mistake of George W. Bush's life.
   19. Bourbon Samurai Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:34 PM (#4317725)
Having lived in Chicagofrom August 1999- august 2004, I can't help but have fondness for Sosa. He was a fun player.
   20. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4317759)
Sammy was a beast during his peak.

HOF
   21. pep21 Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4317761)
I am surprised at all of the hating towards Sammy. While he has never been proven to have used PED's it appears that he gets way more venom thrown his way than that of Clemens or McGwire. I seen polls in which ranks at the bottom of all players suspected of PED's, eligible for Hall of Fame on who fans would consider for the hall.

It also seems like he was unfairly judged when he went in front of Congress and had an interpreter by his side. The fact remains that his primary language is Spanish and if he was going before a group of individuals who could ultimately charge him with perjury if answered a question by mistaken its translation then I don't blame him. He is not a scholar in any language by any stretch. But to critize him for using an interpreter to defend himself when he was appearing before Congress because of his suspected PED use is wrong.

Personally, I don't think any PED's users should be allowed to go in the Hall. Like someone on MLB network said, they traded money for the hall and should never be allowed in the HOF.
   22. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:19 PM (#4317791)
I'm sick of talking about steroid use. This thread needs more Big Bully Busick!
   23. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4317797)
"they traded money for the hall and should never be allowed in the HOF"

that's just bullsh*t talk. c'mon. NO they didn't - that's as silly as Robert Johnson making a deal with the devil.
   24. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4317808)
This thread needs more Big Bully Busick!

Not to mention the true master of the Heart Punch, Ox Baker.
   25. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:40 PM (#4317821)
I met Baker when I was a kid working backstage at Championship Wrestling from Florida and boy was he intimidating in-person. Plenty of wrestlers were intimidating when they got their "game face" on immediately pre-match, even when you were "in" on the whole business, but Baker looked like a monster from the second he stepped out of his rental car. Not only did I never say a single word to him, I couldn't even bring myself to look him in the eye.
   26. Comic Strip Person Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4317822)
I'm with Brian C in #16. Sammy Sosa was having fun playing baseball, and he brought joy to the park. The power display in 1996 (40 HR in 124 games) is usually undercounted, in the same way John Northey did (no disrespect intended to John, btw). The implication that Sosa was a journeyman who was totally transformed by PEDs is asinine - Tomaso should have his keyboards taken away from him for the pathetic Dan Pasqua line, among his various literary crimes. Did Sosa use PEDs? Probably, like lots and lots of other players. You know, because it was being at least tacitly encouraged, and because professional athletes always push the envelope looking for an advantage.
I didn't know many people who weren't having fun rooting for Sammy and the Cubs from 1996-2003, and I'm pretty sure most of the people claiming they weren't are lying to make themselves feel morally or aesthetically superior.
   27. Srul Itza Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4317838)
The power display in 1996 (40 HR in 124 games) is usually undercounted, in the same way John Northey did (no disrespect intended to John, btw)


Because it has been brought up here so many times (that the 40 HR was in an injury-shortened season), I was actually surprised to see the mistake brought up here.
   28. vivaelpujols Posted: December 05, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4318012)
These writers are such pieces of ####.
   29. JJ1986 Posted: December 05, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4318018)
These writers are such pieces of ####.


Plus he killed Ed Exley's father.
   30. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 05, 2012 at 07:14 PM (#4318231)
I must say after revisiting his stats the 425 total bases in 2001 stands out. 7th All-Time. With only 37 IBB. But 5 3B's.

   31. Walt Davis Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4318307)
With only 37 IBB

Only? That's tied for the 11th highest total ever (well, since they started counting them). Take out Bonds and that's tied for the 5th highest total. Other than Bonds, the record is "only" 45 (McCovey). The top 10 all-time is 6 Bonds seasons, 2 McCovey seasons and 2 Pujols seasons.
   32. Howie Menckel Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:11 AM (#4318366)

My buddies and I used to go to Wrigley annually from NY/NJ starting in 1986.

RF bleachers were best with the elegant Dawson on hand.

But Sosa brought such a new vibe by engaging the fans so much. Good times.

Met a local in '96 on one of these trips, we got married out there in late Sept 1998. McGwire/Sosa counts dominating the city every day. What a time.

   33. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:16 AM (#4318368)
Plus he killed Ed Exley's father.


I don't know about Sammy, but that joke is going to the Hall.
   34. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:36 AM (#4318370)
the 425 total bases in 2001 stands out. 7th All-Time. With only 37 IBB.


Those 2 kind of go hand in hand. Every IBB is one fewer attempt at a TB.
   35. DanG Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:47 AM (#4318378)
Highest OPS+, age 29-33 seasons, 1000+ PA

Rk            Player OPSWAR/pos   PA From   To
1          Babe Ruth  207    47.6 3134 1924 1928 H
2         Lou Gehrig  186    41.7 3477 1932 1936 H
3       Mark McGwire  184    19.1 1906 1993 1997
4      Mickey Mantle  183    25.0 2363 1961 1965 H
5       Ted Williams  179    28.8 2471 1948 1952 H
6        Barry Bonds  178    38.6 3171 1994 1998
7     Rogers Hornsby  178    43.3 3227 1925 1929 H
8     Willie McCovey  177    28.3 2810 1967 1971 H
9            Ty Cobb  177    33.7 2822 1916 1920 H
10      Honus Wagner  175    43.3 2915 1903 1907 H
11       Johnny Mize  172    12.0 1051 1942 1946 H
12    Frank Robinson  171    27.5 3068 1965 1969 H
13       Stan Musial  170    37.7 3404 1950 1954 H
14          Lip Pike  170    11.3 1287 1874 1878
15      Jason Giambi  167    27.3 3036 2000 2004
'16       Sammy Sosa  167    31.9 3516 1998 2002'
17      Mike Schmidt  166    37.5 3061 1979 1983 H
18       Willie Mays  166    48.7 3370 1960 1964 H
19     Dan Brouthers  166    26.3 2918 1887 1891 H
20   Willie Stargell  165    25.7 2907 1969 1973 H
21     Albert Pujols  163    26.4 2721 2009 2012 
   36. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:26 AM (#4318384)
I was a Cubs fan, and I turned 13 in the summer of 1998.

Yes, of course Sammy Sosa belongs in the Hall of Fame.
   37. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:46 AM (#4318389)
It had a bit of child-like joy in it, like he's trying to will it to get "up".


Whereas Palmeiro was touting the benefits of Viagra. Point to Sosa.
   38. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4318608)
Yeah Walt - Barry tipped my scale.
   39. Srul Itza At Home Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4318685)
Barry tipped my scale


Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
   40. Cabbage Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4318693)
Put it this way, my best friend's 80-something Greek immigrant grandmother into started watching baseball every day because of Sammy Sosa.

Looking back, I wonder if the passion for gold jewelry shared by Sammy Sosa and your average Greek male had anything to do with it.
   41. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4318717)
Well, I for one am not going to engage in all this "I never liked Sammy" revisionist posturing. I was a big fan, was disappointed in his early decline, thought he got a bad rap when he left the Cubs, and haven't enjoyed the piling-on that's gone on ever since.

I'm right there with you. Fantastic player who is probably the one who first made me love baseball.
   42. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4318789)
the summer of 98 really helped lock me into baseball, I had been a fan in the past but that summer was just well awesome
   43. DanG Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4318844)
The kid on the courthouse steps: "Say it ain't Sosa!"
I was a big fan, was disappointed in his early decline, thought he got a bad rap when he left the Cubs, and haven't enjoyed the piling-on that's gone on ever since.

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