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Wednesday, September 05, 2018

Tommy John Surgery recommended for Shohei Ohtani

Everything is the worst.

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 05, 2018 at 06:12 PM | 56 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Textbook Editor Posted: September 05, 2018 at 06:48 PM (#5739259)
Wow--Have to be honest and say I haven't really been paying attention but... I don't recall reading even a hint of this. Is this kind of from out of left field, or have the tea leaves been reading this way for a while?

Can he come back and DH before the arm is fully healed to pitch/play in the field? I honestly wasn't sure how that might work, as you don't usually see position players (or DHs) having Tommy John...
   2. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 05, 2018 at 06:51 PM (#5739264)
Horrible news, and condolences not just to Ohtani and his team and to Angels fans, but to everyone who loves baseball. Hopefully he'll come back better than ever.
   3. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: September 05, 2018 at 06:53 PM (#5739266)
Wow--Have to be honest and say I haven't really been paying attention but... I don't recall reading even a hint of this. Is this kind of from out of left field, or have the tea leaves been reading this way for a while?


They tried to rehab it with rest and PRT therapy and everything else they can legally do but it didn't work. The tendon healed, but only enough for him to bat until he made a start the other week. I believe he reported soreness after his start and at that point the MRI revealed the additional tearing and the docs recced Tommy John.

Above my pay grade to say if the initial diagnosis of rest and recovery was correct but in general a conservative approach will always be tried over surgery if there is any reasonable hope of a full recovery without it. What the "reasonable" level of that chance would be probably only his surgeon and medical team know, and even then they are probably just giving their best guess. Hard to predict.

FWIW, my example from the old thread of a DH putting off Tommy John -- the White Sox' Micker Adolfo (a back end top 150 type prospect) -- also had to have Tommy John after DHing with his injury for a few months in the minors. He had a solid year at the plate but just couldn't resume his throwing in the outfield.
   4. BDC Posted: September 05, 2018 at 06:55 PM (#5739267)
Ohtani is announced as DH in Texas tonight, but maybe they will pull him back. Rats.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: September 05, 2018 at 07:03 PM (#5739270)
Is this kind of from out of left field
The opposite. He didn't pitch for almost 3 months because of elbow problems.
   6. Khrushin it bro Posted: September 05, 2018 at 07:23 PM (#5739288)
He had elbow issues on his medicals before coming to the US also.
   7. homerwannabee Posted: September 05, 2018 at 07:36 PM (#5739297)
There seems to be a curse on teams. Any time you think, "Oh, that team got a really good deal", it turns out that the really good deal turns into a garbage deal like Ken Griffey Junior signing with the Reds on the cheap.
   8. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2018 at 07:41 PM (#5739301)
And yet when you think, "oh that team really got screwed on that deal". They generally do.
   9. BDC Posted: September 05, 2018 at 07:52 PM (#5739311)
Ohtani definitely DH’ing tonight.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2018 at 08:00 PM (#5739321)
I think position player rehab is usually 6 months, so Ohtani should be able to hit by early next season.
   11. Shredder Posted: September 05, 2018 at 08:17 PM (#5739336)
Well, that sucks, but they knew there were decent odds this would happen. If he misses next year, and/or comes back as only a hitter, still seems like a pretty good signing. What, something like $23MM, plus three years total club control and three years of arb? I'd do it again in a second.
   12. PreservedFish Posted: September 05, 2018 at 08:29 PM (#5739343)
Dude, they've already got $23M of fun out of him.
   13. Astroenteritis Posted: September 05, 2018 at 08:33 PM (#5739351)
Well this is no good. Hope he's able to come back and pitch well after the procedure.
   14. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: September 05, 2018 at 08:54 PM (#5739363)
oops
   15. PreservedFish Posted: September 05, 2018 at 08:56 PM (#5739365)
Well, that sucks, but they knew there were decent odds this would happen. If he misses next year, and/or comes back as only a hitter, still seems like a pretty good signing. What, something like $23MM, plus three years total club control and three years of arb? I'd do it again in a second.


I find this response strange and actually sort of maddening. Who the #### cares how much money he makes? Is this really the time to ponder how many years of control the team has? This guy is a marvel and this injury is a tragedy for all of baseball as far as I'm concerned.
   16. BDC Posted: September 05, 2018 at 09:00 PM (#5739377)
The tragic victim is batting in a major-league ballgame as I type this :)
   17. caspian88 Posted: September 05, 2018 at 09:45 PM (#5739419)
The tragic victim just homered...
   18. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 05, 2018 at 09:48 PM (#5739421)
Fletcher just tweeted that surgery takes about 4-5 months of rehab before he can hit. Ohtani can reasonably be expected to be the everyday DH in 2019.
   19. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 05, 2018 at 10:07 PM (#5739449)
Ohtani can reasonably be expected to be the everyday DH in 2019.

Although not pitching is obviously not the Angels preferred usage, a full-season of hitting only should provide some data about his optimum deployment down the road. #More to argue about.
   20. Shredder Posted: September 05, 2018 at 11:20 PM (#5739501)
I find this response strange and actually sort of maddening. Who the #### cares how much money he makes? Is this really the time to ponder how many years of control the team has? This guy is a marvel and this injury is a tragedy for all of baseball as far as I'm concerned.
I think "tragedy" is a little over dramatic, but when you root for team is still paying Albert Pujols, and just got finished paying Josh Hamilton, this is what is referred to as a "silver lining". It's also largely a pre-emptive response to the "Herp-derp, they paid for a guy with a bum elbow!" hot takes we're likely to hear over the next few days. But I imagine my take as an Angels fan comes from a different perspective than would be expected from someone who just really wants to see him succeed as a baseball story, so it's a fair point. The guy is only 24 years old and having the type of surgery that many players recover from. He's not dead (though the Angels recently dealt with that as well).
   21. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 06, 2018 at 01:42 AM (#5739521)
4 for 4, two home runs, four runs scored, walk, stolen base. Nice game.
   22. Rally Posted: September 06, 2018 at 08:08 AM (#5739549)
“Wow--Have to be honest and say I haven't really been paying attention but... I don't recall reading even a hint of this. Is this kind of from out of left field, or have the tea leaves been reading this way for a while?”

On Sunday he looked great for the 1st 2 innings. Throwing 97. He tried to catch a comebacker with his pitching hand, deflected the ball, but waived off the training staff. Next inning his fastball command and velocity were off when he walked the #9 hitter. Way down, like 90-91. Why he wasn’t pulled right then I don’t know, but the damage was probably done already. Tried to throw just breaking balls to Springer and served up a homer, then he was gone.

Angels tried to tell everyone the elbow was fine, his finger had swollen up and caused the velocity drop. But their spin has long since ceased to be credible when it comes to pitching injuries.
   23. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: September 06, 2018 at 08:16 AM (#5739555)
4 for 4, two home runs, four runs scored, walk, stolen base. Nice game.


Maybe now he can just concentrate on his hitting and fulfill his destiny as the new Babe Ruth.
   24. Bote Man Posted: September 06, 2018 at 08:46 AM (#5739578)
Gee, who could have ever guessed that the violence of a pitching motion would further injure a critical tendon that was already questionable??
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5739605)
Although not pitching is obviously not the Angels preferred usage, a full-season of hitting only should provide some data about his optimum deployment down the road. #More to argue about.

Yeah, obviously you'd rather have him pitch too, but they'll get a full season from him next year. If he can put up a 150 OPS+ DH-ing, a permanent move to the OF seems worth considering.
   26. PreservedFish Posted: September 06, 2018 at 09:39 AM (#5739607)
If he can put up a 150 OPS+ DH-ing, a permanent move to the OF seems worth considering.

Nope. Not considering it. Ohtani's superhuman powers cannot be wasted.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5739615)
Nope. Not considering it. Ohtani's superhuman powers cannot be wasted.

He should get one more chance to start, 2020 it looks like. But, if his bat is elite, and he gets seriously hurt again, you need to move him.
   28. PreservedFish Posted: September 06, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5739621)
Nope. Then you try him as secret lethal bullpen weapon.

But seriously, he's still a starter that throws 100mph. As ridiculous as he's been as a hitter, he's kind of benched vs lefties and with his hulking frame may have limited defensive potential in the outfield. If by "seriously hurt" you mean another 18-month injury, then sure, give it a rest. He himself might want to stop pitching at that point. But short of that he still deserves a long leash as a pitcher. Not to mention that he's a unique marketing bonanza as a two-way player, much more so than if he's just a Japanese Nelson Cruz.

If the Angels prefer a 4 WAR hitter to a 2 WAR hitter + 2 WAR pitcher, then they're cowardly chumps, and don't deserve this epochal opportunity to harness Ohtani's unmatched potential for human baseball heroism.
   29. Dunn Deal Posted: September 06, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5739671)
There seems to be a curse on teams. Any time you think, "Oh, that team got a really good deal", it turns out that the really good deal turns into a garbage deal like Ken Griffey Junior signing with the Reds on the cheap.


It's even worse than that, because the Reds didn't sign Griffey as a free agent. Adding insult to injury, they sent Mike Cameron to Seattle as part of the package.


Mike Cameron WAR, Seattle: 18.4 in 4 seasons for around $18M.
Junior Griffey WAR, Cincinnati: 12.8 in 9 seasons for around $90M.
   30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5739676)
But seriously, he's still a starter that throws 100mph. As ridiculous as he's been as a hitter, he's kind of benched vs lefties and with his hulking frame may have limited defensive potential in the outfield. If by "seriously hurt" you mean another 18-month injury, then sure, give it a rest. He himself might want to stop pitching at that point. But short of that he still deserves a long leash as a pitcher. Not to mention that he's a unique marketing bonanza as a two-way player, much more so than if he's just a Japanese Nelson Cruz.

Yes. I mean a 2nd Tommy John, or shoulder trouble. Something that would knock him out for a long time.

Obviously, if his bat fades with regular everyday exposure, the pitching leash gets longer.
   31. JAHV Posted: September 06, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5739691)
Given that this was probably inevitable (he had damage in his elbow when he came over), the Angels handled this optimally. Try everything to rehab the elbow. When it looks good, throw him back out there this year. If it gets worse, he gets the surgery in early October and can hit by March. Heck, you might even be able to teach him how to play first base. But at worst, you've got the left-handed side of a DH platoon for all of next season.

This sucks, but I've been expecting this since Ohtani first went down in June. The Angels can't have a pitcher stay healthy. It's against some sort of law.
   32. BDC Posted: September 06, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5739746)
Huh, 4-for-4 last night – I could have sworn Ohtani was out on a grounder and then confirmed out on review. Some of these review plays are so damn confusing you don't even know what's happened after they're over. I guess him standing on the base afterwards might have been a clue, but I honestly thought he departed.
   33. jmurph Posted: September 06, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5739795)
Some of these review plays are so damn confusing you don't even know what's happened after they're over. I guess him standing on the base afterwards might have been a clue, but I honestly thought he departed.

Reminded me of this Hold Steady lyric:
If she says we partied then I'm pretty sure we partied.
I really don't remember.
I remember we departed from our bodies.
We woke up in Ybor city.
   34. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 06, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5739808)
his hulking frame may have limited defensive potential in the outfield.

He's not that hulking and is really fast*. The only thing limiting his defensive OF potential is his pitching potential (and lack of experience).

*He's the dot furthest to the right in the DH line. He's faster than Betts, for instance.
   35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5739814)
He's not that hulking and is really fast*. The only thing limiting his defensive OF potential is his pitching potential (and lack of experience).

With his speed and Arm, RF would be the natural spot, if pitching fails.
   36. BDC Posted: September 06, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5739861)
I remember we departed from our bodies.
We woke up in Ybor city


I'm sure many a ballplayer has had that experience after a Rays' game :)
   37. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 06, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5739936)
Then you try him as secret lethal bullpen weapon.
This was actually my first impression of him when the rumors started about him coming to America. You let him hit and play 1B/RF everyday, and put him on the mound if you need him in the 8th/9th. Obviously, getting 150 IP out of him is more valuable than getting 50, but it would be a waste of resources (and a waste of fun for fans) if he had to stop pitching completely.

The most important thing we found out this year is that Ohtani's talents are real, and they're spectacular. Nobody's more bummed out about the surgery than I am, but I'm going to console myself with the idea of 150 games of Ohtani the DH going for a 40/30 season.
   38. Rally Posted: September 06, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5739955)
This was actually my first impression of him when the rumors started about him coming to America. You let him hit and play 1B/RF everyday, and put him on the mound if you need him in the 8th/9th.


That does work better in the NL. You could start a guy in the OF or 1B, have him pitch an inning, and even move him back later. But in the AL you are only allowed to DH for the pitcher, so doing that would require giving up the DH for the rest of the game. Not an absolute impediment, but an obstacle.

I'm not 100% sure how it works. Say Ohtani starts in left with Upton at DH. You move Ohtani to the mound, can Upton then replace him in left field? Lineup would stay the same, then if Ohtani pitched an inning and was relieved, he'd have to come out of the game (or Upton would, with Ohtani resuming LF), with the new pitcher assuming the batting spot of the guy who leaves. There could be more twists to that than I'm aware.

   39. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5739970)
This was actually my first impression of him when the rumors started about him coming to America. You let him hit and play 1B/RF everyday, and put him on the mound if you need him in the 8th/9th.

The problem with this is he may need to bat while he's warming up in the pen.
   40. PreservedFish Posted: September 06, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5739971)
Stop stomping on my dreams snapper.
   41. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5739979)
Stop stomping on my dreams snapper.

Sorry. It's what I do. You don't get to be history's 42nd greatest monster by letting people keep their dreams.
   42. SoSH U at work Posted: September 06, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5739981)
I'm not 100% sure how it works. Say Ohtani starts in left with Upton at DH. You move Ohtani to the mound, can Upton then replace him in left field? Lineup would stay the same, then if Ohtani pitched an inning and was relieved, he'd have to come out of the game (or Upton would, with Ohtani resuming LF), with the new pitcher assuming the batting spot of the guy who leaves. There could be more twists to that than I'm aware.


I have no idea how it would work. It would obviously work better in the NL, though you'd still have the warming up issue (presumably you would work his warm-ups around his ABs, in much the same way HS teams do now).

   43. PreservedFish Posted: September 06, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5739986)
Are we sure that Ohtani needs to warm up? Perhaps excessive warmups are what caused this injury in the first place.
   44. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 06, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5740023)
With his speed and Arm, RF would be the natural spot, if pitching fails.


As a rookie in Japan in 2013, he played 51 games in right field.
   45. Rally Posted: September 06, 2018 at 02:54 PM (#5740048)
The problem with this is he may need to bat while he's warming up in the pen.


Very good point. You could only get him the warmups if his spot in the order is sufficiently far away. And forget about any mid-inning pitching change.
   46. Rally Posted: September 06, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5740063)
OOTP baseball added a feature to allow two-way players this year. They have separate ratings for your rest status as a hitter and a pitcher, so you can be worn out (having pitched 7 innings the day before) as a pitcher but still 100% as a hitter.

For several years they have had players with solid potential as both hitters and pitchers come up through the draft, but until this change it was hard to use them in both roles, you had to make a choice how they would develop.

Of course I had to put a free agent in with Ohtani-like ability. In my league there is no cap to his earnings, so he ended up with the biggest free agent contract in the free agent class, 350 million over 10 years. Unlike Shohei, he has been healthy. 171 innings with a 3.42 ERA, 58 walks and 201 strikeouts. As a hitter, he's been solid but not as great as Ohtani. 289 AB of 263/334/453, 12 homers.

There are some bugs though. A few years ago we had a potential 2 way player who looked better in the OF, drafted 4th overall in 2016. He made the big leagues last year and established himself as a solid OF. As a pitcher he has potential but not there yet. This year the computer team put him in the rotation despite not having good enough current pitcher ratings. Result has been 92 innings of a 7.28 ERA. I think the problem is the computer sees a 4 star player and goes by that in keeping him in the rotation. I took him out manually, computer put him back in, I tried again. I hope I can figure out how not to have him in there without editing away his pitching ability.

My team drafted a bat right/ throw left OF a few years back and he recently made his debut. He isn't a super top prospect as an OF, a .250-.270 hitter who won't walk, 10-15 HR, good speed and defense. Maybe a Kevin Pillar type. As a pitcher, he can throw 99 but his control is bad. Called him up in late August and use him as a backup OF and loogy. As a pitcher, 4 K and 1 W so far in 3 innings. I have not used him in both roles in the same game, because of the DH problem.
   47. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 06, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5740088)
But, if his bat is elite, and he gets seriously hurt again, you need to move him.

My understanding is that Ohtani doesn't DH the day before a start as he prepares to pitch, the day after to recover, and the day he pitches. So if Ohtani starts 25-30 games (giving some extra rest because of his overall workload) that's ~ 75-90 games when his bat is out of the lineup. If Ohtani is great hitter, he has to pitch very well to make up for all the time his bat is out of the lineup. I think it made sense for the Angels to be cautious in Ohtani's 1st season, but if he proves to be a truly elite hitter over the 2019 season, the Angels will have to think about keeping his bat in the line-up more often. There are different ways to do that, but all with some risk.
   48. Rally Posted: September 06, 2018 at 04:12 PM (#5740107)
One thing Billy Eppler alluded to is that the team committed to giving him a chance to be a two way player. If they had not done so, he probably would have signed somewhere else. They are under no contractual obligation to do so but changing their minds on it now would be a **** move.

I don't think it's as simple as whether 80 games batting + 25 pitching > 150 batting. If it's close, then they'll lean towards the 2 way option. Only way I see the team telling him he has to do one job is if he proves to be incapable of doing the other.

Which is where we are for 2019, but who knows how he recovers for 2020*.

* Also known as the year of the epic drive to get Trout back into the playoffs and try to keep him from leaving.
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5740124)
My understanding is that Ohtani doesn't DH the day before a start as he prepares to pitch, the day after to recover, and the day he pitches. So if Ohtani starts 25-30 games (giving some extra rest because of his overall workload) that's ~ 75-90 games when his bat is out of the lineup. If Ohtani is great hitter, he has to pitch very well to make up for all the time his bat is out of the lineup. I think it made sense for the Angels to be cautious in Ohtani's 1st season, but if he proves to be a truly elite hitter over the 2019 season, the Angels will have to think about keeping his bat in the line-up more often. There are different ways to do that, but all with some risk.

He doesn't have to get the days before and after his starts off. He could DH every day he's not pitching. DH-ing isn't particularly stressful. I think they juts wanted to break him in gradually. Plus they had the corpse of Albert Pujols that they somehow feel the need to give PT.
   50. Shredder Posted: September 06, 2018 at 06:08 PM (#5740189)
I think they juts wanted to break him in gradually.
It was also the schedule he was on in Japan, so they basically wanted to stick to that. My biggest concern was how it would affect the rest of the of the rotation, but since they have a rotation of about 20 starters, 14 or 15 of whom are injured at any given time, it was hard to get a real feel for the impact.
   51. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 06, 2018 at 06:38 PM (#5740196)

There was a lot of discussion during the offseason about the money that Ohtani was leaving on the table by coming over to the US when he did rather than waiting a couple of seasons when he could come over as a free agent. From a financial standpoint, he still no doubt left money on the table, but it's interesting to revisit the decision in light of the injury. Coming off TJ surgery that prevented him from pitching in 2019, what would he have gotten paid by MLB teams? Would they have been as willing to let him play both ways as the Angels were this season?
   52. Rally Posted: September 07, 2018 at 09:50 AM (#5740409)
Coming off TJ surgery that prevented him from pitching in 2019, what would he have gotten paid by MLB teams? Would they have been as willing to let him play both ways as the Angels were this season?


I think he was two years away from having no restrictions on his contract. So he plays 2018 in Japan, gets hurt, has surgery, rehabs in 2019 while also doing some hitting. Because of the injury he probably doesn't get as much money as he might have gotten in 2017/18 offseason, but its still a lot more than teams were actually able to offer him. At some price I'm sure every team is interested.

Some teams offer top dollar but might only be looking at him in one role. With 30 teams out there somebody would offer a chance at a dual role, but they might not be offering top dollar. Given what we know about Shohei, I think he signs with the team that lets him try both.

A lot of people talk about "once you have XX dollars, how much can you possibly need?". Very few people in such position act like this. All the way up to Jeff Bezos, who has made enough money this year to be able to afford 30 MLB teams if he wanted to. Shohei is the rare human who actually acts on that principle.
   53. Hysterical & Useless Posted: September 07, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5740553)
talents are real, and they're spectacular.


Nice. Thanks for that.
   54. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 07, 2018 at 11:30 PM (#5740825)
So, how well does Ohtani have to hit the rest of the season for him to just skip the surgery? Seems to be doing better without the distraction of toeing the rubber.
   55. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 08, 2018 at 02:34 AM (#5740843)
I think he was two years away from having no restrictions on his contract. So he plays 2018 in Japan, gets hurt, has surgery, rehabs in 2019 while also doing some hitting. Because of the injury he probably doesn't get as much money as he might have gotten in 2017/18 offseason, but its still a lot more than teams were actually able to offer him. At some price I'm sure every team is interested.

Plus he is making probably around $15m per year for those 2 years in Japan, IIRC.
   56. Rally Posted: September 08, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5740862)
Nah, top salary in NPB is about 5 million in US $, and Ohtani made only about half that much last season.

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