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1. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 26, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4309625)Basically, it looks like the Rays might have hit gold again. $100 million for 6 years (age 31-36) of a HOF'er or near HOF should be a bargain. Odds are by 2017 he'd be looking at a $30 mil per year payday (6 years at $180 million) unless he collapses, factoring in mild increases in MLB pay for premium players. Not as amazing as the original deal, but only possible due to his recent injuries and length of time before it hits. Risky, yes, but not crazy risk. $144.5 million invested to get all of Longoria's peak plus his best years outside of peak. Compare that to the $200 million deals we're seeing elsewhere and you gotta be impressed.
Well, your point still stands because the 10/5 is still many years away from kicking in.
I think “should” is too strong a word. There are so many unknowns about what will happen over the next 11 years: We could see enormous and unpredictable changes to MLB’s ability to generate revenue, the market for MLB talent, or the value of a US dollar, not to mention Longoria’s ability to play baseball.
As with most long-term contracts, there’s greater bust potential than bargain potential. But for a franchise player, it doesn’t seem like a bad deal.
Longoria also has a good chance of being a shell of his former self by 2018. 6 years is a long time. And if the Rays do end up saddled with a $16 million hole, it would make life very difficult for them given their payroll situation.
This is going all-in on Longoria. It’s a pretty big gamble for a team with a razor-thin margin of error.
This is my take too. I love Longoria and the Rays (favorite non-Angel team) but this makes little sense from their point of view. At least make him come back and play 2013 and see if he can stay healthy for 150 games before throwing another $100 million at him.
I appreciate the gesture and couldn't be happier for the franchise and player, but I don't see the rationale at THIS MOMENT for this extension.
If he comes back and stays healthy and productive for another 150 games in 2013, he's probably going to be looking for a fair amount more than $100 million.
And if the Rays are bad enough so that they want to trade Longoria, he will likely wanna waive his no trade clause to get out of dodge.
Meanwhile in the same division you have the Yankees & Red Sox who take bigger risks that that annually, the Jays who have finally figured out they have a very big market (over 33 million TV viewers all to themselves), and the Orioles who have a potentially big market but must fight with Washington for it. So 3 current big spenders plus a 4th who could be one. That forces big risks now and then, and signing guys when their negotiating power is at the weakest point is their best shot even if there is a big 'bust' risk.
Braun still has 8/$125
Votto still has 11/$250 -- he's locked up longer than Longoria
Kemp still has 7/$150
Zimmerman still has 7/$102 -- this deal was signed back in 2009
Tulo still has 8/$144
Tulo is a good comp as the Rox had him from 08-14 for $45 M but extended him from 15-20 at 6/$118 anyway. It's also similar to the Zimmerman extension and, if you add in four years of inflation, a pretty nice bargain compared to that.
It is an obvious gamble for the reasons stated and not one the Rays had to take now. But they are certainly getting him at a cheaper price than if they waited AND he did well.
Probably next offseason or the one after, look for the Pirates to try the same with McCutchen. They've already got him on the cheap buyout through 2017 (2018 option). The Cubs will do the same if Castro every really blossoms.
Not sure where you got that information, but he was just extended to that contract this spring.
I agree with most of the valuations above (calculated risk, he'll probably exceed this if nothing goes wrong, it's a smart move by the Rays), but I can't help but wonder if these are another part of this. The Marlins are getting lambasted everywhere. I know a couple of Marlins fans (apparently they exist!) and they've been talking about giving up on the Marlins; the most recent Loria thing is the last straw. I wonder if the timing of this move was very explicitly done to try and make a play for more sports prominence in Florida (say, outside of Tampa)? Even if not, one can't help but to think that this might be an interesting tangential benefit.
If he comes back and stays healthy and productive for another 150 games in 2013, he's probably going to be looking for a fair amount more than $100 million.
Spot on. The Rays are typically buying low here because he hasn't reeled off consecutive seasons of 150 games each at his usual productive level. I too agree with most of the other posts in that it would appear to be a wise calculated risk and $16 mil in 2020 is going to buy you a 1.5-2 WAR player at most.
OK ... b-r lists it as a single contract signed in 2009. They do screw up extensions like this a fair amount. So Longoria and Zimmerman are roughly similar buyouts.
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