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1. cmd600 Posted: March 28, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4091805)On several levels, this is not necessarily accurate.
And 2 of them are Omar Vizquel and Jeff Mathis?
I don't know on that one, but he's the last active major leaguer to have played at Exhibition Stadium. A couple of current Blue Jays weren't even alive when the Ex was in use by the team.
1. He's not guaranteed to live that long (no one is.)
2. He's not guaranteed to be playing SS in MLB on April 25 (he's played an astonishing 18 games at SS the last two years.)
3. He will likely become the oldest player to play SS much before April 25th, since Bobby Wallace's last game was two months before his 45th birthday (and he may or may not have played SS in that game.)
Am I missing any?
Moyer played there in 1990 with the Rangers.
Or in other words, 11 hitters and two caddies. And the 11 hitters could be pretty damned good. I am cautiously optimistic about an Escobar/Lawrie/Bautista/EE/Rasmus core. The Jays are like 22-3 in spring training! La-la-la-i-cant-hear-you-la-la-la
Might take Vizquel all year to catch Pudge but kudos for trying.
C: Grover Hartley, 46
1B: Julio Franco, 48
2B: Arlie Latham, 49
SS: Booby Wallace/Omar Vizquel, 44
3B: Julio Franco, 48
LF: Rickey Henderson, 44
CF: Sam Rice, 43 (beats Rickey by a week)
RF: Sam Thompson, 46
I have no problem with this. He's perfectly acceptable as a back-up middle infielder, and can also act as a quasi-coach.
Yeah, but Booby was sagging by that point.
You know, I bet Franco could still play. He was in better shape as a near 50 year old than most rookies are these days. Wait... he's still alive right?
Well, geez, where's the fun in THAT?
(Arthur Rhodes and Mariano Rivera were born shortly after the 1969 World Series)
Rk Player H OPS+ PA From To Age1 Honus Wagner 3420 150 11748 1897 1917 23-43
2 Cal Ripken 3184 112 12883 1981 2001 20-40
3 Derek Jeter 3088 117 11155 1995 2011 21-37
4 Omar Vizquel 2841 82 11850 1989 2011 22-44
5 Luke Appling 2749 113 10254 1930 1950 23-43
6 Luis Aparicio 2677 82 11230 1956 1973 22-39
7 Rabbit Maranville 2605 82 11256 1912 1935 20-43
It's remarkable that these guys can play a
Since I'm assuming he's taking Mike McCoy's spot on the roster, it's hard to get too worked up over it.
It's not like he's going to be playing every day. Whatever person you're describing is probably better off playing every day in AAA then playing once a week as a defensive replacement like Vizquel will be doing.
The only middle-infield prospect I can think of is Hechevarria, and I definitely want him playing everyday as he needs to learn how to hit a baseball.
His birthday is actually April 24.
I have no problem with Vizquel, but I have no clue why they didn't just keep Molina if they were going to turn around and get Mathis. Mathis should not be in MLB, and probably never should have been in the first place.
Like someone mentioned, Vizquel is more valuable to the team than Mike McCoy.
You're going to throw 200-250 PAs down the drain, and he probably shouldn't really be playing shortstop anymore. I know we have low standards for 25th man on the roster, but I'd think you can get a little bit more at back-up middle infielder just off the waiver wire.
And if you want someone to coach, then hire him as a coach.
There are some terrible backup catchers going into the season. Mathis should be your 3rd option, not your first. Same with Mike Nickeas, who the Mets are carrying to spell Thole. I-Rod is still looking for a job. And I can't remember is Paulino latched on with anyone, but he'd be better too.
You're going to throw 200-250 PAs down the drain, and he probably shouldn't really be playing shortstop anymore. I know we have low standards for 25th man on the roster, but I'd think you can get a little bit more at back-up middle infielder just off the waiver wire.
Vizquel didn't hit well last year, but he had a good 2010.
And he didn't hit well from 2007-2009. Sure, maybe he can run into a +.300 BABIP again though.
Hey, I'm not saying he's fantastic, and it's some sort of steal that we were able to sign him. Rather I'm just saying that, as far as backup infield guys go, he's perfectly adequate. After all, while he can't hit, he's taking John McDonald's role from last year (who can't hit), over Mike McCoy (who can't hit), or Luis Valbuena (who also can't hit). With any of those guys, you'd also be throwing those same 200-250 PA down the drain. If any of the options for the backup infield position were actually competent hitters, they wouldn't be options for the backup infield position - they'd be starting in the middle infield somewhere else.
He's in the best shape of his life.
Yeah, and it's probably worth taking into account that the Jays have an infield that hasn't spent a ton of time as a unit. If he can hit as "well" as McDonald or McCoy, while coaching the young-ish infielders, I don't see the issue. Plus, if it's really going that badly, and the Jays look they they're playing for something (!), they can kick the tires for an upgrade mid-season.
Well, let's go around the league and see who other teams employed as a backup middle infielder last year.
Rays - Elliot Johnson 68 OPS+
TOR - Mike McCoy 53
DET - carlos Guillen 71 and Will Rhymes 65
KCR - All 4 middle infielders, starters and backups, had OPS+s between 68 and 78
MIN - Luke Hughes 74
TEX - Andres Blanco 58
OAK - Eric Sogard 56
SEA - Jack Wilson 65
That's half the AL. More than half if you include the White Sox and Omar. It's not like the league is awash in good hitting backup middle infielders.
This is actually a significant issue-- there's a decent chance that Johnson will suck again this year. Although last year was his bad year, so we should be able to pencil him in for a 110 OPS+. Having a backup plan with KJ seems pretty prudent.
The fact that Vizquel didn't play much SS the last two years is in large part a function of the team he was on the last two years. Alexei Ramirez played 156 and 158 games the last two years and was one of the better SS in the American League both years. Vizquel played more 2B and 3B because that's where the White Sox had more need for their utility infielder to play.
He lied about his age and is actually 49, and the record is already his.
* A higher percentage than Offerman ever posted at short, at any level.
This is true, but Omar can't play SS any longer, not at a major league level. Ramirez's iron man status is independent of Omar's ability to play the position.
Vizquel cannot play SS, cannot play 2B, and plays a passable 3rd. He will be lucky to hit his weight. His ISO might be less than his age. I dunno why teams keep him around. He was a major negative for the White Sox last year, among many others for sure, but he's no longer a big league player.
With Hechevarria I'm at the point where I'll believe it when I see it. If the bat comes around, great, but I wouldn't be making any plans based on that assumption. As far as I'm concerned Escobar is a fine SS. I like Kelly Johnson in the short term, but I have to imagine AA's crazy trade priority this season is 2B.
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