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Monday, December 17, 2012

Toronto Blue Jays and R.A. Dickey agree upon 2 year, $25 million extension

10:52am: Dickey landed in Florida to undergo his physical, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reports (on Twitter). Some of the two-year, $25MM extension will be a signing bonus for 2013.

10:42am: The sides are in agreement on a two-year, $25MM deal, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (Twitter links). The agreement is pending a physical, and the trade will be official if and when Dickey passes. The two-year deal would cover the 2014-15 seasons.

 

Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM | 111 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. yo la tengo Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4326919)
Guess that the hometown discount was negative one million dollars
   2. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4326922)
Lots and lots of 12 to 13 million dollar contracts this winter. Swisher is going to get 4/50?
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:10 PM (#4326924)
Lots and lots of 12 to 13 million dollar contracts this winter. Swisher is going to get 4/50?

I wonder if the qualifying offer amount has had some sort of weird anchoring effect on perceived value?
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4326929)
Makes the prospects given up much more palatable. I like this deal much more than the James Shields deal, even in a vacuum where the Royals and Jays have an equal shot of winning this year.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4326930)
I wonder if the qualifying offer amount has had some sort of weird anchoring effect on perceived value?

I hadn't thought of that, but that's a good call. Weirdly, the 2 uber-free agents--Hamilton and Greinke--have gotten almost exactly twice the anchor.
   6. Esoteric Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4326934)
Godspeed, li'l Dickey-doodle.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4326935)
Oh, it's much better than the Royals deal. Dickey is a steal at that salary.
   8. Tripon Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4326937)
I still don't get why the Mets just didn't sign him to the extension and then trade him.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4326941)

I still don't get why the Mets just didn't sign him to the extension and then trade him.


Didn't he want a no-trade if he signed an extension with the Mets?
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4326943)
I still don't get why the Mets just didn't sign him to the extension and then trade him.


They were hedging against the possibility of a trade partner seeing Dickey as more valuable at 1/5 than with the extension.
   11. Jim Wisinski Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4326946)
I wonder if the Jays will actually win a series against the Rays this year. They're on something like an 0-16-2 streak overall and have lost 17 straight series at the Trop.
   12. Tripon Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4326953)


Didn't he want a no-trade if he signed an extension with the Mets?


That was speculation for the 'low' extension offer from Dickey. I haven't seen it sourced from anybody about the No trade clause.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: December 17, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4326971)
They're on something like an 0-16-2 streak overall


Well at least they salvaged a couple of ties.

   14. Rants Mulliniks Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4326996)
Those were the soccer friendlies they played on Canada Day and Independence Day.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4327007)
I still don't get why the Mets just didn't sign him to the extension and then trade him.


Because that's rude? Honestly. That's a dick move.
   16. Tripon Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4327011)
Because that's rude? Honestly. That's a dick move.


And slamming your players and calling him a dick in the papers isn't?
   17. Nasty Nate Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4327027)
As it worked out, signing the extension before or after the trade wouldn't have made much of a difference to any of the parties involved, right?
   18. PreservedFish Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4327038)
And slamming your players and calling him a dick in the papers isn't?


Oh, of course it is.
   19. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4327043)
I am quite pleased with this trade.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4327056)
Makes the prospects given up much more palatable. I like this deal much more than the James Shields deal, even in a vacuum where the Royals and Jays have an equal shot of winning this year.

Yes, and the Blue Jays are probably the favorite in the AL East right now, which makes it a slam dunk.

I really hope Toronto makes the playoffs. They have a really likable team, and should be able to rebuild their fanbase rapidly with some winning ball.
   21. Ellis Valentine's Bright Future Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4327059)
I have mixed feelings, but I guess that is a sign of a fair deal. As a Jays fan I am scanning the new Mets prospect list to try and guess what the final pieces are. Sierra to New York? Middle inflied prospect to Toronto (Cecchina?).

Would love to see Flores come to Toronto prompting a healthy discussion over the meaning of "non-elite".

   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4327060)
I am quite pleased with this trade.

It's got to seem like Christmas for Blue Jay fans.

Buehrle, Dickey, Johnson, Reyes, Izturis, Cabrera. Wow! What an off-season.
   23. PreservedFish Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4327068)
Would love to see Flores come to Toronto prompting a healthy discussion over the meaning of "non-elite".


Don't forget, the Mets get a non-elite guy too. I mean, I personally would not call Anthony Gose an elite prospect...
   24. Rants Mulliniks Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4327069)
....and Christmas isn't even here yet!
   25. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4327070)
They have a really likable team, and should be able to rebuild their fanbase rapidly with some winning ball.

They've actually been rebuilding it over the last couple years, beginning with the the cancellation of the Ricciardi clown show. Their TV ratings have been excellent, and they are seeing increases in attendance. A playoff season would definitely help, but getting people talking about baseball again in Toronto (and these trades have done that) will be a boost by itself.
   26. SoSH U at work Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4327073)
They've actually been rebuilding it over the last couple years, beginning with the the cancellation of the Ricciardi clown show. Their TV ratings have been excellent, and they are seeing increases in attendance. A playoff season would definitely help, but getting people talking about baseball again in Toronto (and these trades have done that) will be a boost by itself.


How does the complete absence of hockey factor in? The Jays would seem to be the most likely beneficiaries of an NHL-free season.
   27. PreservedFish Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4327076)
Dickey and Reyes are both absurdly entertaining, and Giants fans were head over heels in love with Melky last year. This might be the funnest team in baseball.
   28. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4327082)
How does the complete absence of hockey factor in? The Jays would seem to be the most likely beneficiaries of an NHL-free season.

It certainly can't hurt. The sports stations (owned largely by Rogers) have to fill the time with something, and the Jays trades have given them just that. It's better than listening to the endless speculation as to when (or if) the NHLPA and owners are going to come to an agreement.

It also helps that no one wants to talk about the Raptors.
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4327086)
It also helps that no one wants to talk about the Raptors.


Oh, yeah I forgot they was a team.

   30. Walt Davis Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4327091)
Guess that the hometown discount was negative one million dollars

I think the clue there is: Some of the two-year, $25MM extension will be a signing bonus for 2013.

Dickey's getting a taste upfront in this deal. Still, my quickie calculation suggests that bonus would have to be quite large to make the NPVs work out the same as 5/13/13.



   31. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4327092)

Makes the prospects given up much more palatable. I like this deal much more than the James Shields deal, even in a vacuum where the Royals and Jays have an equal shot of winning this year.


Would Dickey sign with the Royals for 2/$25 though? Probably not. So the option for the Royals was Myers + for two years of Shields or Myers + for one year of Dickey.
   32. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4327096)
It also helps that no one wants to talk about the Raptors


Stupidest nickname in sports history. Let's name our nba team after a 80 million years extinct dinosaur who will be instantly forgotten six weeks after the movie leaves the theater.

The Jays have to be the favorite at this point, I believe; all the other teams have significant weaknesses.
   33. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4327097)


Would Dickey sign with the Royals for 2/$25 though? Probably not.


Why not?
   34. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4327098)
Oh, yeah I forgot they was a team.

So did they.
   35. valuearbitrageur Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4327099)


Would Dickey sign with the Royals for 2/$25 though? Probably not.


Why not?


It would probably require a must trade clause.
   36. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4327102)
The Jays have to be the favorite at this point, I believe; all the other teams have significant weaknesses.

They're probably the favorite now, but they have their weaknesses too. These trades have gutted a lot of their potential depth, so injuries (especially in the starting rotation) could cause all sorts of havoc. They also still need a 1B who doesn't fill me with hate, and someone who can remind Rasmus how to hit.

All this isn't a complaint, however. I love what they've done this offseason, in putting together a team which people aren't discussing in terms of if everything breaks right, they might be able to sneak in as a wildcard, but in terms of being the best of the AL East.
   37. valuearbitrageur Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:16 PM (#4327103)
Guess that the hometown discount was negative one million dollars


Pretty sure if Mets had countered his offer with $25M/2, Dickey snap accepts without any signing bonus required.
   38. with Glavinesque control and Madduxian poise Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4327109)
Stupidest nickname in sports history. Let's name our nba team after a 80 million years extinct dinosaur who will be instantly forgotten six weeks after the movie leaves the theater.


'Raptor' is a very general term for a bird of prey. The birds of prey is really quite a good name, I think, and 'raptor' is much snappier. The fact that it's also short for 'velociraptor' follows from the close relationship dinosaurs have to birds, and might even be why they chose that name, but I think the name is cool regardless of whether it was inspired by Jurassic Park.
   39. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4327113)
Whether it was inspired by Jurassic Park?
   40. Tripon Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4327125)

So did they.


The Raptors players have already gone on record that they suck, but nobody cares. If that happened in any other NBA, that would have caused a uproar.
   41. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4327130)
It was definitely inspired by Jurassic Park. Hence the ridiculous logo. 'Raptors' in and of itself is a great name, but pairing it with a dinosaur in shorts dribbling a ball only brings it down.

Anyway, as much as I'm a fan of RA overall I have to say I'm happy with the trade. I have to assume d'Arnaud starts out the year in the majors at least as a platoon with Buck, right?
   42. Matthew E Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4327133)
Someone pointed out that it looks like that d'Arnaud, against all odds, is going back to Vegas in 2013.
   43. PreservedFish Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4327137)
I think d'Arnaud needs some time in AAA to prove that he's healthy. It'll be Buck and Nickeas or some other terrible backup.
   44. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4327138)
Phelps-Roper's Twitter was also hacked and the Westboro Baptist Church's website was taken down. Anonymous claimed responsibility for both via the @YourAnonNews account.


Would they go after Adam LaRoche or are they stuck with Lind?
   45. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4327139)
Stupidest nickname in sports history.


Minnesota Wild? Oklahoma City Thunder?

The Jays have certainly added a number of household names to their team.
   46. Tripon Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4327141)
Phelps-Roper's Twitter was also hacked and the Westboro Baptist Church's website was taken down. Anonymous claimed responsibility for both via the @YourAnonNews account.

Would they go after Adam LaRoche or are they stuck with Lind?


What? Why would Anonymous target LaRoche or Lind?
   47. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4327142)
Would they go after Adam LaRoche or are they stuck with Lind?

They are likely stuck with Lind for now. They've already added a ton of payroll, between Johnson, Reyes, Dickey, and Buehrle.
   48. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:41 PM (#4327148)

What? Why would Anonymous target LaRoche or Lind?


Haha, multiple threads at once! Cut and paste shenanigans!

But seriously, God Hates Jays.
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:46 PM (#4327154)
'Raptor' is a very general term for a bird of prey. The birds of prey is really quite a good name, I think, and 'raptor' is much snappier. The fact that it's also short for 'velociraptor' follows from the close relationship dinosaurs have to birds, and might even be why they chose that name, but I think the name is cool regardless of whether it was inspired by Jurassic Park.

They have a dinosaur dribbling a basketball on their logo.
   50. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4327155)
I really hope Toronto makes the playoffs. They have a really likable team, and should be able to rebuild their fanbase rapidly with some winning ball.
I know I'll be rooting for them (possibly pretty hard) once the Sox get mathematically eliminated. The number of players they've added this offseason that I really like is quite staggering - to go with Bautista, Morrow, EE5, Rasmus, Raj Davis (who gets slammed for sucking but is actually a very fun player), who I already liked, I have also always liked Buehrle (would be in contention for favorite non-rooting interest player if it wasn't for the weird dog subtext and gigantic truck), Josh Johnson, Reyes, Dickey... it's amazing actually.

Meanwhile Boston adds one faceless automaton after another. Sorry for the hijack. I like the Blue Jays, end of post.
   51. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:49 PM (#4327158)
Buehrle is a very fun pitcher to watch. Good control, works fast, murders the running game, and makes some really nice defensive plays. He's basically another Jimmy Key. I'm greatly looking forward to watching him this year.
   52. DL from MN Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4327162)
Stupidest nickname in sports history.


Miami Heat is worse just in the NBA.

Toronto is shaping up to have a very nice rotation. Hmmm.. opening at 1B. Morneau is a pending free agent and known Canadian.
   53. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 05:59 PM (#4327166)
Morneau is a pending free agent and known Canadian.


Has he come out of the closet?

Out pronounced "oot" of course.
   54. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4327172)
Minnesota Wild? Oklahoma City Thunder?

Utah Jazz.
   55. Gaelan Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4327176)
Now that the team isn't terrible I only need the Blue Jays to get rid of Martinez and Tabler and I'll be able to watch some games.

Seriously, the worst announcers this side of Dick Stockton. They make me want to watch the White Sox.
   56. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4327179)
Be careful. Keep talking like that, and the Jays will bring back Warren Sawkiw.
   57. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4327181)
They make me want to watch the White Sox.

Hey, hey, hey. Let's not say anything we're going to regret later.
   58. JE (Jason) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:15 PM (#4327182)
They have a dinosaur dribbling a basketball on their logo.

I'm pretty sure hungry dinosaurs dribbled.
   59. dlf Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4327194)
Stupidest nickname in sports history.


Stanford Cardinal. Not the bird; the color.

Where do the Montgomery Biscuits fit in?
   60. DA Baracus Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:37 PM (#4327197)
Best team name ever was the Macon Whoopie.
   61. Copronymus Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4327199)
Best team name ever was the Macon Whoopie.


It's no Macon Trax, that's for sure.
   62. Walt Davis Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:42 PM (#4327201)
I think d'Arnaud needs some time in AAA to prove that he's healthy. It'll be Buck and Nickeas or some other terrible backup.

Also no need to start the arb clock right away. He'll be up in June/July I'd imagine.
   63. Greg K Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:52 PM (#4327208)
MLB traderumors reports the "non-elite" prospects as Wuilmer Becerra to the Mets and Mike Nickeas to the Jays.

Can we have a discussion about whether Mike Nickeas counts as an elite prospect or not?
   64. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:58 PM (#4327211)
He seems to be a lesser version of Kevin Cash.
   65. formerly dp Posted: December 17, 2012 at 06:59 PM (#4327212)
He seems to be a lesser version of Kevin Cash.
That takes real work.

Remember when the Jays were flush with catching prospects, and then they weren't?
   66. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:08 PM (#4327220)
So far this offseason, the Jays have churned through Mathis, Wilson, Whiteside, Buck, Nickeas, D'Arnaud, and Thole as catchers on their 40 man roster.
   67. formerly dp Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:11 PM (#4327222)
I was thinking Werth, Phelps, Cash...and the guy who kept bouncing back and forth between 2B and catcher before sucking totally...
   68. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:12 PM (#4327223)
I was thinking Werth, Phelps, Cash...and the guy who kept bouncing back and forth between 2B and catcher before sucking totally...

Joe Lawrence. He compensated for his poor fielding with his terrible hitting.

Also, from an earlier era, Sprague spent time in the minors as a catcher.
   69. Karl from NY Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:16 PM (#4327225)

Anyone know how taxes work out for the contract in Toronto and Canada? New York taxes are really high, both state and city. He must come out ahead somewhat in that department, maybe as much as a million or so.
   70. formerly dp Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:20 PM (#4327227)
Also, from an earlier era, Sprague spent time in the minors as a catcher.
As did Carlos Delgado. Too bad he couldn't stick there...they put him in LF when he first came up IIRC.
   71. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:22 PM (#4327228)
As did Carlos Delgado. Too bad he couldn't stick there...they put him in LF when he first came up IIRC.

They certainly did put him in left.

He actually could have handled C defensively, but I believe he hurt his shoulder in the minors at one point, and the Jays decided his bat was more important.
   72. formerly dp Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4327232)
He actually could have handled C defensively, but I believe he hurt his shoulder in the minors at one point, and the Jays decided his bat was more important.
Well that turned out to be a mistake...

If they run Mike Nickeas out there for a week or three, you'll really start to appreciate Arencibia. And even Thole, for that matter. Nickeas will make you long for Joe Lawrence.
   73. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4327233)
Re: #69 - The tax consequences for Toronto players came up during the Jays/Marlins blockbuster. It's not just the higher tax rates in Canada, but the lack of write-offs for workplace expenses like union dues and personal trainers. Supposedly Toronto has some sort of creative contract packaging that offsets this sort of thing.

   74. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:31 PM (#4327235)
Supposedly Toronto has some sort of creative contract packaging that offsets this sort of thin


I hate when fat cats and insiders like R.A. Dickey get all the sweet tax deals.
   75. Swedish Chef Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4327243)
MLB traderumors reports the "non-elite" prospects as Wuilmer Becerra to the Mets and Mike Nickeas to the Jays.

Your name-generating algorithm needs work.
   76. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4327245)
So if Nickeas is gone too, does that move up d'Arnaud's Mets debut, or do they find someone else cheap?
   77. Lassus Posted: December 17, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4327246)
I think d'Arnaud needs some time in AAA to prove that he's healthy.

That this had any chance of being accurately written makes me kind of hate this trade.
   78. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 17, 2012 at 08:01 PM (#4327249)
So if Nickeas is gone too, does that move up d'Arnaud's Mets debut, or do they find someone else cheap?

John Buck should be able to hold down the fort for awhile.
   79. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: December 17, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4327252)

I hate when fat cats and insiders like R.A. Dickey and Albert Belle get all the sweet tax deals.

Fixed.
   80. PreservedFish Posted: December 17, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4327257)
How do you pronounce Wuilmer? Is it Woo-ilmer?
   81. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 17, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4327265)
Nickeas is gone too! That just makes the trade even better.

With Reyes and Dickey, the Blue Jays are now my third favorite team.
   82. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: December 17, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4327272)
25. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4327070)

They have a really likable team, and should be able to rebuild their fanbase rapidly with some winning ball.

They've actually been rebuilding it over the last couple years, beginning with the the cancellation of the Ricciardi clown show.
RJ--what do you make of Ricciardi in NY--any opinion?
   83. Nasty Nate Posted: December 17, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4327273)
Joe Lawrence. He compensated for his poor fielding with his terrible hitting.


Whoa!
   84. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: December 17, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4327279)
I think d'Arnaud needs some time in AAA to prove that he's healthy. It'll be Buck and Nickeas or some other terrible backup.
That he's healthy, and also to keep his service clock from starting. These Mets should definitely be doing that.
   85. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: December 17, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4327281)
With Reyes and Dickey, the Blue Jays are now my third favorite team.

Who is your 2nd favorite team?

Whoa!

You should be ashamed.
   86. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4327285)
RJ--what do you make of Ricciardi in NY--any opinion?

I don't really know much of what he's been doing there in terms of front office work, but I'd be willing to bet he's the source of a whole lot of the leaks around the Dickey trade. He ran an amazingly porous front office in Toronto, so that everyone in the city knew everything that was happening at all times.
   87. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 17, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4327287)
The Raptors players have already gone on record that they suck, but nobody cares. If that happened in any other NBA, that would have caused a uproar.


It really didn't get much play at all. There was a 1 minute piece on the major sports networks, which had Bargnani saying he was misquoted (in his native language).
That's it.

It's hard to believe that this franchise was a single rim-out shot from Carter from making the NBA Eastern Conference Finals (2001).
Now? Meh.
   88. Willie Mayspedester Posted: December 17, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4327290)
Nickeas will make you long for Joe Lawrence.


I already do
   89. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 17, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4327302)
Who is your 2nd favorite team?

Tampa. I've been rooting for them since Kazmir was traded there.
   90. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 17, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4327308)
So far this offseason, the Jays have churned through Mathis, Wilson, Whiteside, Buck, Nickeas, D'Arnaud, and Thole as catchers on their 40 man roster.

Big deal, the Red Sox have five catchers right now (Butler, Lavarnway, Ross, Saltalamacchia, Vazquez) and theoretically have Napoli as well. (what happened with that?)
   91. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4327318)
So if Nickeas is gone too, does that move up d'Arnaud's Mets debut, or do they find someone else cheap?

John Buck should be able to hold down the fort for awhile.

No, right, but who's the backup? d'Arnaud to start, or someone else (from outside the organization, unless there's someone in AAA I don't remember) while they put the arb clock on hold?
   92. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4327321)
The Met's can't even afford a 60m dollar payroll, so I expect a team will be able to get a decent 1B player for peanuts at the trade deadline in Ike Davis.

If I'm David Wright, I'm feeling very dumb for having signed that extension. He's never going to see a winning season, much less a postseason, again.
   93. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4327322)
No, right, but who's the backup? d'Arnaud to start, or someone else (from outside the organization, unless there's someone in AAA I don't remember) while they put the arb clock on hold?

Oh! Um, Anthony Recker? I've never heard of him until I looked up the 40-man. He was claimed off waivers from the Cubs in October.
   94. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 17, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4327336)
Kelly Shoppach is available.
   95. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: December 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4327337)
@86: Thanks RJ. Good to know. Well, bad to know, but you know what I mean. My fear is that the Ricciardi extension in the prelude to him stepping into Alderson's job after Sandy leaves (I find it very tough to believe Alderson will be sticking around).
   96. RJ in TO Posted: December 17, 2012 at 10:40 PM (#4327344)
@86: Thanks RJ. Good to know. Well, bad to know, but you know what I mean. My fear is that the Ricciardi extension in the prelude to him stepping into Alderson's job after Sandy leaves (I find it very tough to believe Alderson will be sticking around).

I'm not a Mets fan, but you guys deserve better than Ricciardi as GM.
   97. JJ1986 Posted: December 17, 2012 at 10:51 PM (#4327355)
I'd be happy with DePo.
   98. Paul D(uda) Posted: December 17, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4327357)
There are like 5 worse nicknames in the NBA alone! The Heat? The Jazz? The Magic? The Pelicans?
   99. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 17, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4327367)
The Pelicans?

The what?
   100. Walt Davis Posted: December 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4327369)
The Pelicans?

Nickeas too? I think this means the idea of Arencibia catching Dickey gives AA the giggles. Thole as his personal C to start then, if he's hurt, up comes Nickeas.
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