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Thursday, May 10, 2018

Trade to Reds Might Be Worst-Case Scenario for Matt Harvey

The Matt Harvey saga is officially over in New York, but it’s just beginning in a new and unlikely place. On Tuesday evening, the Mets announced they were trading Harvey, who was designated for assignment last Friday, to the Reds in exchange for catcher Devin Mesoraco. The deal is essentially a swap of broken-down former All-Stars, though for Harvey, the move to Ohio can charitably be described as a worst-case scenario.

 

Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 10, 2018 at 09:55 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. asinwreck Posted: May 10, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5670069)
Not exactly the Seaver trade.
   2. PreservedFish Posted: May 10, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5670076)
Stupid article, which argues that it's an awful place for him because it's a hitter's park, as if GMs didn't know how to interpret that. A shitty team with a broken rotation and no expectations in a small town may well be the best place for him to rebuild his career.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 10, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5670089)
A shitty team with a broken rotation

That's the key to me. Sal Romano is their freaking ace. Their rotation has been historically awful since 2016.

There's literally no other team where he'll get more opportunity to start.
   4. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 10, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5670183)
Stupid article, which argues that it's an awful place for him because it's a hitter's park, as if GMs didn't know how to interpret that.


Harvey needs to rebuild his game and his confidence. If he makes 20 starts at 5.50, he probably won't be thinking "boy, this is a really solid year once you consider the park I'm pitching in."
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: May 10, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5670197)
The Reds had a pitcher make 20 starts at 5.50 ERA last year. He's now getting battered around some Korean league.
   6. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: May 10, 2018 at 03:50 PM (#5670198)
I haven't closely been following Harvey's fall from grace, but I was under the impression that confidence is NOT lacking - even if the results certainly are.

In any case, it's not just the park - but at least per FG, the Reds are near the bottom of team defensive ratings, too.

Regardless - snapper is right... if Harvey wants to continue to start and if he's not willing to do it in the minor leagues, then the Reds are the best option because they're probably the ONLY team where both of those things are in the cards.
   7. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 10, 2018 at 04:03 PM (#5670209)
Why are there so many Harvey articles? I never read them, but I feel like I've got a pretty good grasp of his whole career and personal life through the sheer number of headlines I'm exposed to.

Maybe I'm missing something, but his story seems rather uninteresting (or at least no more interesting than the average professional athlete).
   8. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 10, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5670212)
Why?

* Young pitcher makes splash, loses it
* Is/Was a Met
   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 10, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5670214)
If he makes 20 starts


If he makes 20 starts, he should thank his lucky stars that he ended up on a team that was willing to give him that much rope.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: May 10, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5670253)
It would be a great place for him to land if the Reds had any recent history of being able to help pitchers. But they've had an awful staff the last few years and I'm not sure a single young pitcher or a single retread has taken a step forward for them the last few years. Mesoraco is a pretty good get for the Mets here.
   11. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 10, 2018 at 05:41 PM (#5670267)
I'm not sure a single young pitcher or a single retread has taken a step forward for them the last few years.


Looks like Mahle might be in the process of doing so right now. I agree, though - their recent track record isn't great.
   12. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 10, 2018 at 06:05 PM (#5670275)
Why?

* Young pitcher makes splash, loses it
* Is/Was a Met


There was also the long-running controversy about whether the Mets mishandled him after his return from TJ surgery. Unlike the Nats, who shut down Strasburg before the post-season in a pretty comparable situation, which was also a hugely controversial decision at the time.
   13. Adam Starblind Posted: May 10, 2018 at 08:05 PM (#5670327)


There was also the long-running controversy about whether the Mets mishandled him after his return from TJ surgery. Unlike the Nats, who shut down Strasburg before the post-season in a pretty comparable situation, which was also a hugely controversial decision at the time.


People did wonder that about Harvey, but then he was diagnosed with thoracic outlet syndrome, which I've never heard could have been caused by excessive post-TJ workload. On the other hand, there could be more than one thing going on.
   14. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 10, 2018 at 08:08 PM (#5670333)
There's literally no other team where he'll get more opportunity to start.


Dan Duquette is on line one snapper.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: May 10, 2018 at 08:59 PM (#5670386)
Reds IP leaders/ERA+ last year
Tim Adleman - 122 with 80 ERA+. now rumored to be getting battered around some Korean league
Scott Feldman - 111 with 92 ERA+. believed to be unaware that he is retired
Homer Bailey - 91 with 68 ERA+. 0-5, 73 ERA+ for Reds in 2018, leads NL in his first name allowed
Luis Castillo - 89 with 141 ERA+. 63 ERA+ this year
Sal Romano - 87 with 99 ERA+. 106 ERA+. wait this isn't so bad!

also 9 other pitchers got 50-85 IP
31 pitchers total, including Scooter Gennett
other good first names: Asher, Lisalverto, Rookie, Deck, Wandy, Keury
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 10, 2018 at 11:14 PM (#5670480)
c'mon--he's Mark Fidrych
   17. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 11, 2018 at 01:12 AM (#5670525)
If so, he'd better hire someone to service his car.
   18. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: May 11, 2018 at 01:18 AM (#5670526)
Well, Harvey starts against the Dodgers tomorrow, so there's a good chance he throws seven strong innings.
   19. Stormy JE Posted: May 11, 2018 at 05:01 AM (#5670534)
Why are there so many Harvey articles? I never read them, but I feel like I've got a pretty good grasp of his whole career and personal life through the sheer number of headlines I'm exposed to.
Wasn't there a week two or three years back when maybe half of the articles in the right-side feed related to Harvey? Good times.
   20. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 11, 2018 at 06:51 AM (#5670541)
Homer Bailey - 91 with 68 ERA+. 0-5, 73 ERA+ for Reds in 2018, leads NL in his first name allowed


Why you little....
   21. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: May 11, 2018 at 08:09 AM (#5670558)
Well, Harvey starts against the Dodgers tomorrow, so there's a good chance he throws seven strong innings.


I hope so. Don't want him to blow this HUGE 3-game winning streak the Reds are on. 3! WINS! IN-A-ROW!

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