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Tuesday, February 19, 2019

Trevor Bauer Is More Concerned With Being Right Than Being Liked

Trevor Bauer sits on a folding chair in a drafty warehouse, sipping applesauce from a plastic cup and electrocuting his brain. Well, electrifying his brain, actually. Bauer, who values precision, points out that there’s an important difference. To electrocute something means to injure or kill it. But he will spend 20 minutes with one milliamp coursing, not unpleasantly, between the electrodes affixed near his temples in an effort to improve the organ that was already most responsible for his near Cy Young season with the Indians last year—which, he will tell you, should have been a Cy Young season for real.

The technique is called Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation, or tDCS. Studies have suggested that it can temporarily increase synaptic plasticity, thereby helping subjects acquire skills faster. The U.S. military has used tDCS to expand the capabilities of its target analysts, but Bauer’s mission today is to revamp his changeup. “Anything to expedite the learning curve,” he says…..

Driveline is a testosterone-soaked place—if a woman walked through any of its doors during the two days in January that I spent there, I didn’t see her—and Bauer loves to perpetuate the puerile jokes that clank around like foul balls. He likes to begin his pitch design sessions at 4:20 p.m. He throws three sets of 23 pitches; add them up. He wears T-shirts that read bofa, which ostensibly stands for Bauer Outage For America but is really a reference to male body parts that, unlike the brain, come in sets of two.

 

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   1. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5816362)
He's not all that good at either, honestly.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5816365)
If only there were some sort of stimulation that could get this guy's brain to progress beyond that of a 13-year-old douche.
   3. Brian Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5816374)
Cue the Bauer hate. The article is really interesting if you're up for more than just calling Bauer names.
   4. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5816375)
He wears T-shirts that read bofa, which ostensibly stands for Bauer Outage For America but is really a reference to


Bank of America, a prominent financial institution.
   5. bfan Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5816376)
He seems like a hard-working guy who has beliefs that happen to be different than the popular press and is willing to stand up for those beliefs. 10 years ago, he is a hero and a courageous man. And god forbid he defend himself against "I'm a victim" trained twitter trolls.
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5816389)
from the SI piece, it's pretty obvious that he's an Aspie

(or you can say he "suffers from Asperger's Syndrome" - even though he isn't suffering and he doesn't have a disease)
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:37 PM (#5816391)
He seems like a hard-working guy who has beliefs that happen to be different than the popular press and is willing to stand up for those beliefs.
Oh, come on. He's a guy who goes out of his way to be obnoxious and juvenile at every public opportunity. Unfortunately, that's become "heroic" to a whole lot of Americans.
   8. Brian Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5816402)
He doesn't go out of his way to piss people off, that is his way.
   9. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:43 PM (#5816403)
I have always liked Bauer on the mound (going back to when he was an amateur) and many of the ways he pursues improvement. Not a fan of Bauer the public figure, for a variety of reasons.

It's a good article.
   10. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:46 PM (#5816406)
He doesn't go out of his way to piss people off, that is his way.


He could shut up more often, that is the easiest way to not piss people off.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:47 PM (#5816407)
from the SI piece, it's pretty obvious that he's an Aspie
OK, now I'm a little more interested...but why do you get that impression? Yes, there's this:

Sonya could immediately tell he wasn’t like the other teenage prodigies; he was the only one who spent his downtime reading Physics Today and doing card tricks for her kids.

“He reminds me of Sheldon Cooper on The Big Bang Theory,” May says. “He’s the most honest person, and he’s not going to sugarcoat anything. People aren’t used to that.”


But, directly followed by this, as if the author was anticipating the Asperger's "diagnosis":

In conversation Bauer’s affect is unremarkable. He relaxes; he smiles.


OK, maybe the always wanting to do a certain number of reps, and/or taking the same number of baseballs to the park every day as a kid?

I dunno, though. I don't really see it, let alone that it's "pretty obvious."
   12. Brian C Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:47 PM (#5816408)
It takes all kinds, I say.

If it wasn't for the Bauers of the world, then a lot of folks wouldn't have anyone to demonstrate their obvious superiority over.

And if it wasn't for the people who use the Bauers of the world as a target for their self-righteousness, I wouldn't have anyone to demonstrate my obvious superiority over.

It's the circle of life.
   13. . Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:49 PM (#5816409)
Obviously on the spectrum and he probably didn't really even understand the Physics Today stuff.

He's a bit like golf's Bryson DeChambeau, only far douchier.
   14. Jose Molina wants a nickname like "A-Rod" Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5816410)
Ah of course bfan is on that side of the fence. Get-off-my-lawn'd progressive ideas in baseball 15 years ago, get-off-my-lawning progressive ideas in society now. Your views on society in 15 years will looks just as idiotic and stuck-in-the-mud in 15 years as your 15 year old views on baseball do now.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5816420)
Obviously on the spectrum
I'm curious - why do you guys think it's obvious?
   16. . Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:59 PM (#5816422)
Trevor Bauer sits on a folding chair in a drafty warehouse, sipping applesauce from a plastic cup and electrocuting his brain. Well, electrifying his brain, actually. Bauer, who values precision, points out that there’s an important difference. To electrocute something means to injure or kill it.


Check out the big brain on Trev!!!
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:03 PM (#5816424)
This is kind of like a Pat Jordan interview, where you read it and you wonder why the hell the subject thought it was a good idea to say any of that stuff.
   18. . Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5816425)
I'm curious - why do you guys think it's obvious?


Start with the OCD and the intentional/relentless antisocial personality and take it from there.

Bauer ended up not voting in 2016 but identifies as a socially liberal free-market capitalist and thought Donald Trump would shake up the system. He also appeared to question the science of climate change, tweeting, “the climate changed before humans and will change after. For us to think we can control it is extremely ego centric.”


Egocentric, two words -- LOL.
   19. Brian Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5816428)
I have a son who is on the spectrum and I recognize many traits/behaviors in Bauer. Remember, it's a spectrum; a very wide salad bar of issues and quirks. People have all different combinations.

Why in the world would "." think that Bauer didn't understand "Physics Today"?
   20. winnipegwhip Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5816430)
He seems like a hard-working guy who has beliefs that happen to be different than the popular press and is willing to stand up for those beliefs. 10 years ago, he is a hero and a courageous man. And god forbid he defend himself against "I'm a victim" trained twitter trolls.


He seems to be similar to Mike Marshall (the pitcher)
   21. . Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5816433)
Why in the world would "." think that Bauer didn't understand "Physics Today"?


Because he sees Twitter troll matches like the one he had where he bullied the woman as "mental chess matches"?
   22. Dr. Vaux Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:13 PM (#5816435)
There is no more political thread, probably for good reason, ultimately, but it needs to be pointed out that there is nothing inaccurate in the statement "the climate changed before humans." Obviously, now that there are humans, we can and do affect the climate. But it did change before humans.
   23. . Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:16 PM (#5816438)
When Bauer meets a potential romantic partner, he outlines for her the parameters of any possible relationship on their very first date. “I have three rules,” he says. “One: no feelings. As soon as I sense you’re developing feelings, I’m going to cut it off, because I’m not interested in a relationship and I’m emotionally unavailable. Two: no social media posts about me while we’re together, because private life stays private. Three: I sleep with other people. I’m going to continue to sleep with other people. If you’re not O.K. with that, we won’t sleep together, and that’s perfectly fine. We can just be perfectly polite platonic friends.”

It’s his way of being considerate.


In lieu of ... this ... I'd probably just go with gift baskets.

And it's hard to imagine how anyone could possibly be worse at "sensing that you're developing feelings."

Dude's obviously massively insecure.
   24. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:16 PM (#5816439)
He also appeared to question the science of climate change, tweeting, “the climate changed before humans and will change after. For us to think we can control it is extremely ego centric.”

This is usuallly the line you hear from religious extremists. It's up there with moon landing denial in terms of ignoring all available facts. Simultaneously taking this sort of line on things he doesn't bother to understand because he doesn't find them interesting, while going with "I Must Best People In Logical Combat By Confronting Them With Facts And Logic. Do You Refuse To Debate Me? Very Well, I Win" on things that he does find interesting, and combining that with juvenile pranks and the inability to ever shut up about everything is just an overwhelming concentration of irritating personality traits.
   25. . Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5816441)
“Everyone is like, ‘Oh, you’re so stupid for playing with some stupid toy before the biggest game of your life,’ ” he says. “The whole f---ing reason I got into drones was to be better at baseball, because I spent all my time thinking about baseball and I needed something I could do to take my mind off of that. And so, this effort to get better at baseball by developing a new hobby, something that was safe—I’m not drinking, I’m not skiing, or whatever—is what ended up getting me hurt because of a faulty $40 flight board.”


One can only bow in awe ....
   26. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5816449)
Start with the OCD and the intentional/relentless antisocial personality and take it from there.

I have a son who is on the spectrum and I recognize many traits/behaviors in Bauer. Remember, it's a spectrum; a very wide salad bar of issues and quirks. People have all different combinations.
Point well taken, Brian, and I am coming at this from a perspective of curiosity and having done some reading on the subject, so please take my questions with a big grain of salt. But my understanding is that being on the spectrum involves some impairment in interpersonal skills along the lines of communication, understanding of others, etc. - not a relentless desire to be obnoxious and push people's buttons. If anything, the latter implies an understanding and intentionality with communication that isn't characteristic of people on the spectrum. Am I wrong about that?
   27. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5816450)
When Bauer meets a potential romantic partner, he outlines for her the parameters of any possible relationship on their very first date. “I have three rules,” he says. “One: no feelings. As soon as I sense you’re developing feelings, I’m going to cut it off, because I’m not interested in a relationship and I’m emotionally unavailable. Two: no social media posts about me while we’re together, because private life stays private. Three: I sleep with other people. I’m going to continue to sleep with other people. If you’re not O.K. with that, we won’t sleep together, and that’s perfectly fine. We can just be perfectly polite platonic friends.”


Okay.
   28. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5816464)
That absolutely works for some women. Especially the women who go after professional athletes. A lot of celebrities do exactly the same thing. But talking about it this way as if it is a brilliant lifehack that you have figured out to enhance your efficiency is just... immature. Exactly the opposite of how he is trying to appear.
   29. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5816465)
Why in the world would "." think that Bauer didn't understand "Physics Today"?


Because he's an ####### and always has been.
   30. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5816466)
“One: no feelings. As soon as I sense you’re developing feelings, I’m going to cut it off, because I’m not interested in a relationship and I’m emotionally unavailable."
I can't help but be impressed by how honest he is about how terrible he is.
   31. . Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5816471)
That absolutely works for some women. Especially the women who go after professional athletes. A lot of celebrities do exactly the same thing. But talking about it this way as if it is a brilliant lifehack that you have figured out to enhance your efficiency is just... immature. Exactly the opposite of how he is trying to appear.


Actually, it's worse because he probably doesn't get anywhere close to the number of women going after him that he thinks he does, or that would be the baseline expectation.
   32. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:54 PM (#5816475)
being considerate
don't think so.

enhance your efficiency
possible, but debatable.
   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:56 PM (#5816480)
I can't help but be impressed by how honest he is about how terrible he is.

Yes. He's an awful person and he owns it. I guess it's better than not owning it.
   34. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:56 PM (#5816481)

That absolutely works for some women. Especially the women who go after professional athletes. A lot of celebrities do exactly the same thing. But talking about it this way as if it is a brilliant lifehack that you have figured out to enhance your efficiency is just... immature. Exactly the opposite of how he is trying to appear.


Yea, I kinda respect the honesty and focus on his craft, but uh, I'm not sure I'd be as proud of it as he seems.
   35. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:59 PM (#5816485)

Haven't RTFA yet but Bauer strikes me as someone who simply craves attention. He does weird, sometimes obnoxious things because he just has to be recognized as unique / special / the smartest guy in the room, but he also doesn't seem to realize that these things are just strange, not brilliant or funny. We all probably know people like this. The anecdote about him sending team executives a formal invitation to his arb hearing and going in a "custom suit" and being offended that they didn't show up (and also thinking that telling this story paints him in a sympathetic light) fits in that vein.
   36. Brian Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:02 PM (#5816487)
some impairment in interpersonal skills along the lines of communication, understanding of others, etc.


Impairment in interpersonal skills? Check
Communication issues? In his case it's not a volume issue but I'd check this box.
Understanding of others (And how they will react to what you say or do)? Check
   37. Tin Angel Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:04 PM (#5816489)
I can't help but wonder how many women could identify Trevor Bauer in a packed bar? I follow baseball closely and know I couldn't. And after that, how many would have any interest in sleeping with him other than the potential gift baskets? Not exactly a winning personality. And for the type of girls that want to sleep with athletes/celebrities, "Cleveland Indians pitcher" can't be anywhere near the top of the list.
   38. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:07 PM (#5816493)
Understanding of others (And how they will react to what you say or do)? Check
With the obvious caveats about non-clinicians trying to "diagnose" a stranger, albeit a very public one, over the internet...I don't think this one particularly lines up. Seems to me like he's well aware of how people will react, and goes out of his way to get such reactions to get attention (as Dave suggests) and also to be able to claim the "real victim here" status.
   39. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5816494)
I can't help but wonder how many women could identify Trevor Bauer in a packed bar?
Easy. He's the guy drinking a Diet Coke and lecturing everyone about men's rights.
   40. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5816495)
He also appeared to question the science of climate change, tweeting, “the climate changed before humans and will change after. For us to think we can control it is extremely ego centric.”


This sort of nonsense really bugs me for some reason. Why do we fight and try to prevent forest fires? There were fires before humans and there will be fires after humans. For us to think we can do anything about them* is extremely ego-centric.


*Yes, he said control climate change, but that's just part of the nonsense. No one serious about mitigating anthropogenic climate change talks about controlling the climate.
   41. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:11 PM (#5816499)
And for the type of girls that want to sleep with athletes/celebrities, "Cleveland Indians pitcher" can't be anywhere near the top of the list.


What about the ones who live in Cleveland?
   42. Powderhorn™, arrogant local sailing champion Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5816504)
He seems like a hard-working guy who has beliefs that happen to be different than the popular press and is willing to stand up for those beliefs.
You know who else is willing to stand up for their beliefs? Almost everybody. It's not notable when someone does it; it's notable when someone doesn't.
   43. Tin Angel Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:17 PM (#5816506)
What about the ones who live in Cleveland?


I'm sure they exist, I'm just saying between his prerequisites, and awful personality, it's hard to imagine a lot of women capable of thought and/or feeling wanting to be around the guy.
   44. Rally Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5816509)
And for the type of girls that want to sleep with athletes/celebrities, "Cleveland Indians pitcher" can't be anywhere near the top of the list.


Ricky Vaughn seemed to do just fine
   45. Hysterical & Useless Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5816510)
he just has to be recognized as unique / special / the smartest guy in the room


I was the smartest guy in the room once!



That was about the only upside of living alone.
   46. JL72 Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5816514)
And for the type of girls that want to sleep with athletes/celebrities, "Cleveland Indians pitcher" can't be anywhere near the top of the list.


No, but for those looking for a guy with money to spend on them, it might be.

I knew a guy in college a bit like this. He came from money and was pretty up front with women that he had no intention of getting into a relationship before 25. While it turned off most women, he was fine with it because it saved him from wasting time with them (and a lot of women seemed to appreciate that as well).

What it did do was attract women who were interested in partying and looking for a guy with money to make it happen. I imagine that Bauer holds that attraction for some women and he views this as the quickest way to find them.
   47. Powderhorn™, arrogant local sailing champion Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:30 PM (#5816518)
But my understanding is that being on the spectrum involves some impairment in interpersonal skills along the lines of communication, understanding of others, etc. - not a relentless desire to be obnoxious and push people's buttons.
This is correct. As Brian says it's an umbrella term that includes quite a variety of folks. The only things I think of as core aspie traits are finding comfort in repetition and/or routine, and having difficulty both sending and receiving non-verbal social signals. In the "not universal but very common" category I would add focusing on details rather than the big picture, having one or few subjects that one is really, really into, and difficulty with executive function.

I don't know enough about Bauer to make an educated guess if he's on the spectrum. I doubt I like him enough to invest the time learning more about him that it would take to make such a guess. I will say, though, that being a maladroit doofus who doesn't know when to shut up is a personality type well-represented across all demographics.
   48. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:51 PM (#5816532)

And for the type of girls that want to sleep with athletes/celebrities, "Cleveland Indians pitcher" can't be anywhere near the top of the list.

When the other games in town are the Browns and the Cavs, you might be surprised...
   49. SoSH U at work Posted: February 19, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5816533)
Why in the world would "." think that Bauer didn't understand "Physics Today"?



Because he's an ####### and always has been.

The fun thing about this is I'm not sure who the "he" is referring to, but I agree with the sentiment regardless.

   50. Hysterical & Useless Posted: February 19, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5816537)
#49: SoSH and the wonders of the indefinite antecedent
   51. Howie Menckel Posted: February 19, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5816538)
I had a buddy whose motto was "To love me is to not know me."

I several times witnessed women in bars asking him if they went home with him, would it be more than just a one-night stand? he would say absolutely not; they would never see him again. they went home with him anyway. and he never saw them again.

same guy planned to get married around age 30, have a couple of kids, retire at 40 as a millionaire, and never sleep with another woman not his wife.

check. check. check. check.
   52. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 19, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5816558)
"One: no feelings. As soon as I sense you’re developing feelings, I’m going to cut it off, because I’m not interested in a relationship and I’m emotionally unavailable."
This is the opposite of how I operate but think it's a reasonable approach - and if you feel this way - you should be up front with potential partners.
   53. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5816569)
It's kind of weird to outright say you're emotionally unavailable, and then act like that's a perfectly normal thing, rather than trying to change that aspect of yourself.
   54. rr: drool-soaked and paralytic Posted: February 19, 2019 at 04:03 PM (#5816574)
I have read a few things about Mike Marshall the pitcher, since there is stuff about him Ball Four (he was on the 1969 Seattle Pilots) and The Machine (Joe Posnanski's book about the 1975 Reds. I am a Reds fan, and Marshall was coming off his Cy Young season with the Dodgers, the Reds' NL West rivals in those days. Posnanski has a chapter in the book called "Marshall.") I have looked Marshall up online to learn a little more about him, and yes, there are some similarities to Bauer.

   55. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 19, 2019 at 04:53 PM (#5816602)
Bauer is definitely an odd guy. As mentioned above, I'm not sure he's "on the spectrum" but he definitely shows tendencies; which is not all the uncommon(my wife is an early childhood special ed teacher so one does learn things from her).

He does come across as a bit of a jerk, but hey I don't have to have him over for dinner, I don't follow twitter and I if I ever bump into him in some random place I would be interested in hearing about how he goes about his craft.

He's chosen to be quite vocal about things others might find controversial so he would expect blow back from that. But twitter is just mean. Other then the narcissistic aspect of it, I'm not sure why anyone would want to post things there.
   56. Zach Posted: February 19, 2019 at 07:59 PM (#5816663)
A bit off topic, but Physics Today is an excellent magazine. They do a good job of straddling the gap between being a general interest magazine and covering things in enough depth to where the professional physicists aren't going to get bored.

They had a good recent article on The Secret of the Soviet hydrogen bomb which goes into quite a lot of historical depth. Well worth your time!
   57. Avoid Running At All Times- S. Paige Posted: February 19, 2019 at 08:54 PM (#5816671)
I had a buddy whose motto was "To love me is to not know me."

I several times witnessed women in bars asking him if they went home with him, would it be more than just a one-night stand? he would say absolutely not; they would never see him again. they went home with him anyway. and he never saw them again.

same guy planned to get married around age 30, have a couple of kids, retire at 40 as a millionaire, and never sleep with another woman not his wife.

check. check. check. check.


So, life is NOT what happens when you’re busy making other plans.
   58. The Honorable Ardo Posted: February 19, 2019 at 09:40 PM (#5816684)
Three days ago, Bauer tweeted that he threw 8,802 pitches this off-season. That's just shy of ninety 100-pitch sessions in four months.
   59. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 19, 2019 at 10:05 PM (#5816690)
53/Vlad: I don’t think it’s too charitable to read that as emotionally unavailable right now and - hey - he’s got a lot going on on his life right now. And, were that a position he wanted to maintain in romantic relationships (which it didn’t sound like from the quote / outside that context, he has friends and et al. and might be emotionally available), that’s his right too.
   60. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 10:26 PM (#5816692)
53/Vlad: I don’t think it’s too charitable to read that as emotionally unavailable right now and - hey - he’s got a lot going on on his life right now. And, were that a position he wanted to maintain in romantic relationships (which it didn’t sound like from the quote / outside that context, he has friends and et al. and might be emotionally available), that’s his right too.

It's his right to sleep with a random selection of women that he doesn't give a damn about, and it's our right to look down on him for it.
   61. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 19, 2019 at 10:49 PM (#5816698)
I don’t think it’s too charitable to read that as emotionally unavailable right now


Not sure I buy that, given the context of some of the other stuff in the profile.
   62. Brian C Posted: February 19, 2019 at 11:31 PM (#5816707)
The reality of the situation here is that, even if you believe the worst about the guy's character, if he actually tells women what he says he does, he's still giving the women more information with which to decide if they want to consent. So think that he's an ass all you want, but that still makes him more ethical in his sexual pursuits than most guys women are likely to encounter.

Of course, I know that BBTF attracts none other the highest character individuals, and obviously no one here would ever think to treat a woman with anything other than the utmost honesty, openness, and respect (cough, cough). But understand that, outside of this particular den of nobility, a lot of guys out there in the world just aren't as awesome as we all are.
   63. . Posted: February 20, 2019 at 07:11 AM (#5816722)
Three days ago, Bauer tweeted that he threw 8,802 pitches this off-season. That's just shy of ninety 100-pitch sessions in four months.


That oughta be great for his arm. He'd probably have been better off playing with drones.
   64. manchestermets Posted: February 20, 2019 at 09:25 AM (#5816736)
The reality of the situation here is that, even if you believe the worst about the guy's character, if he actually tells women what he says he does, he's still giving the women more information with which to decide if they want to consent. So think that he's an ass all you want, but that still makes him more ethical in his sexual pursuits than most guys women are likely to encounter.


Agreed - this is probably the least assholish thing about him that we learn here. However:

When Bauer meets a potential romantic partner, he outlines for her the parameters of any possible relationship on their very first date. “I have three rules,” he says. “One: no feelings. As soon as I sense you’re developing feelings, I’m going to cut it off, because I’m not interested in a relationship and I’m emotionally unavailable.”


It can't only be me who shudders at "I'm not interested in a relationship" being presented as one of the "parameters of any possible relationship" can it? That's completely contradictory! (And the writer's issue, not Bauer's.)
   65. Eddo Posted: February 20, 2019 at 09:45 AM (#5816740)
It can't only be me who shudders at "I'm not interested in a relationship" being presented as one of the "parameters of any possible relationship" can it? That's completely contradictory! (And the writer's issue, not Bauer's.)

I think the author (the first use) and Bauer (the second) are using it differently. The author is using the broader definition, which includes "sexual relationships", while Bauer is using a more narrow definition of that limits it to "emotional" or "romantic relationships", I'd say.
   66. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 20, 2019 at 09:51 AM (#5816744)
I just read the entire article, and though I have to admire Bauer's dedication to the craft of pitching, my main reaction was thinking "One, two, many José Abreus".

And for all his regular season heroics, Bauer's been almost a complete stiff in the postseason. 6 starts, 5 of them with Game Scores between 40 and 51, and a meltdown in relief against the Astros last year.
   67. Eddo Posted: February 20, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5816747)
53/Vlad: I don’t think it’s too charitable to read that as emotionally unavailable right now and - hey - he’s got a lot going on on his life right now. And, were that a position he wanted to maintain in romantic relationships (which it didn’t sound like from the quote / outside that context, he has friends and et al. and might be emotionally available), that’s his right too.


It's his right to sleep with a random selection of women that he doesn't give a damn about, and it's our right to look down on him for it.

I don't look down on him at all for wanting to only sleep with a random selection of women, and letting women know up front all you're interested in is a physical relationship is better than deceiving them. And there are plenty of women looking for the same thing, so I'm sure it works out for both parties with regularity.

That said, as with most things I see Bauer say, he's just such a douche about it. To me, it seems like he always thinks he knows more than the person he's interacting with, and the way he phrases his disclosure about his intentions is an example of that. Instead of just saying, "I'm not interested in an emotional relationship," he puts it in terms that just assumes the woman won't get that, and he condescends to say "as soon as I sense you're developing feelings" (emphasis mine), as if he's the one with all the insight and everyone else is an idiot.

I also think the headline could easily be rewritten as "Trevor Bauer is more concerned with being right than how he treats others."
   68. Brian Posted: February 20, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5816803)
Three days ago, Bauer tweeted that he threw 8,802 pitches this off-season. That's just shy of ninety 100-pitch sessions in four months.


That oughta be great for his arm


This is the kind of thing Bauer has had to battle for most of his life: Someone who thinks he knows better than Bauer what Bauer needs to do to be the best pitcher he can be. Bauer doesn't listen to teammates like Cole who need him to conform to make themselves feel better about their own regimen, or coaches who feel he threatens their own expertise and expert status and he certainly doesn't need to listen to commenters on a baseball site who know nothing about his craft.
   69. Eddo Posted: February 20, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5816860)
This is the kind of thing Bauer has had to battle for most of his life: Someone who thinks he knows better than Bauer what Bauer needs to do to be the best pitcher he can be. Bauer doesn't listen to teammates like Cole who need him to conform to make themselves feel better about their own regimen, or coaches who feel he threatens their own expertise and expert status and he certainly doesn't need to listen to commenters on a baseball site who know nothing about his craft.

Is this serious? It's something everyone has to deal with; people offer you advice based on their own experience all the time. And baseball players are told to do things by coaches as part of the job.

The fact that Bauer can't handle suggestions or criticism without turning into a dick is on him, not on everyone else.
   70. Brian Posted: February 20, 2019 at 03:20 PM (#5816894)
Not everyone Eddo. People who work in specialized jobs that require a specific skill and whose results can be easily measured don't have to put up with this crap. They get to do their job they way they want to because they have to live with the results. Good results = Continued employment, more compensation. Bad results = You are gone. You know, like a baseball player. Coaches and organizations that insist everyone abandon what got you there to begin with to do it their way are at a disadvantage in retaining highly skilled employees.
   71. Brian Posted: February 20, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5816896)
Obviously Bauer doesn't have to care what a poster on BBTF thinks but when the DBacks couldn't work with him and adjust to his methods, just for him, they depleted a valuable asset. Kudos to the Indians for letting him do his thing his way. They've been rewarded with a valuable asset that any sane team would love to have.
   72. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: February 20, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5816900)
Bauer's job is not just to perform well in the short term, it's also to maintain a healthy arm for the life of his contract. Wear and tear on an arm is not "easily measured".
   73. Brian Posted: February 20, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5816904)
No, wear and tear on an arm isn't easily measured, in either direction. Did you read the articles last year about him working all Winter on his slider? Same method as this offseason with his changeup: lots of throwing, measuring and tinkering. His results as a pitcher after that were excellent and they are a very positive contribution to the Cleveland Indians. Besides, he only wants one year deals.
   74. Blastin Posted: February 20, 2019 at 04:03 PM (#5816909)
My god, you sound like Tommy Wiseau in The Room. "It seems to me that you're the eeeeexpert, Mark."

He is a good pitcher and an immature jackass. It's not that complex.
   75. Eddo Posted: February 20, 2019 at 04:26 PM (#5816916)
Not everyone Eddo. People who work in specialized jobs that require a specific skill and whose results can be easily measured don't have to put up with this crap. They get to do their job they way they want to because they have to live with the results. Good results = Continued employment, more compensation. Bad results = You are gone. You know, like a baseball player. Coaches and organizations that insist everyone abandon what got you there to begin with to do it their way are at a disadvantage in retaining highly skilled employees.

You'll notice I didn't say Bauer had to actually heed the advice, so that's a strawman. I have no opinion on whether or not Bauer should throw that many pitches in an offseason.

But the fact that people offer advice, even when it's not necessary, isn't an excuse for him being a dick. Every pitcher in baseball gets just as much input from coaches, teammates, and fans, and very, very few say and do as many dickish things as Bauer.
   76. Brian Posted: February 20, 2019 at 06:45 PM (#5816956)
It takes an expert to tell that Bauer has made himself into a good pitcher and a real asset to the Indians? Who knew? Blastin, I get it, you think he's a dick so, by all means, hate away. Eddo, you win the Semantics Olympics! I have no desire to create a strawman against you. This was a very interesting article about how a pitcher is working to improve. Let's forget about it and go back to calling everyone different from us a dick.
   77. jmurph Posted: February 21, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5817025)
Are you... are you Trevor Bauer?
   78. SoSH U at work Posted: February 21, 2019 at 10:05 AM (#5817034)
Are you... are you Trevor Bauer?


I don't think you're the only person who's wondered that.

   79. . Posted: February 21, 2019 at 11:37 AM (#5817068)
he puts it in terms that just assumes the woman won't get that, and he condescends to say "as soon as I sense you're developing feelings" (emphasis mine), as if he's the one with all the insight and everyone else is an idiot.


And the hilarious thing is that he has little to no insight. But he doesn't have the insight to understand that.

He's literally one of the last dudes you'd trust to correctly "sense" whether a woman is "developing feelings."
   80. . Posted: February 21, 2019 at 11:40 AM (#5817070)
Bauer actually probably does surf around here. Contrary to his pronouncements, he's obviously obsessed with what people think about him.
   81. Jack Sommers Posted: February 21, 2019 at 12:47 PM (#5817093)
I don't think you're the only person who's wondered that.


I just assumed that. Seems pretty obvious it's either him or someone close to him. He uses twitter openly though, so if it's him, why hide identity ?

And I don't care about his personality or methods. I just wish the DBacks hadn't given up trying to work with him. He's a damn good pitcher and always trying to get better. I guess ultimately Bauer turned into Robbie Ray for the DBacks, by way of Didi, but Bauer is a better pitcher than Ray.

   82. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 21, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5817097)

Come on, guys. Brian's been a member since registration was required in 2004 (so was probably posting/lurking even during the Primer days). While it's possible Bauer was surfing here when he was 13 (or younger), I doubt it.
   83. Jack Sommers Posted: February 21, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5817106)
oops.......should have clicked on his name. Sorry Brian.
   84. jmurph Posted: February 21, 2019 at 01:22 PM (#5817109)
Come on, guys. Brian's been a member since registration was required in 2004 (so was probably posting/lurking even during the Primer days). While it's possible Bauer was surfing here when he was 13 (or younger), I doubt it.

Yeah I was just mocking his extremely dedicated personal defense of Bauer.
   85. base ball chick Posted: February 21, 2019 at 01:24 PM (#5817111)
trevor bauer isn't on the spectrum, he's just a creep

sometimes guys are just jerks and bauer comes off as one of those - at least interpersonally. i wonder how/if he gets along wit his teammates or leaves in a separarate cab... and i salute the guy for trying to improve his baseball skills

nothing wrong with a male who tells you straight that he only wants sex, or non-sexual platonic friendship right off. you know where he stands. for very good reasons, i have a very hard time believing a straight male who SEZ he only wants to be platonic friends if you don't want sex - assuming that he originally wanted sex with you. now sometimes it is true that some males only want a female who is only 1 type - has to be this ethnic group, this height, this size, giant boobs/butt/whatever and they have zero interest in any female who doesn't look exactly that way.
   86. rr: drool-soaked and paralytic Posted: February 21, 2019 at 01:43 PM (#5817117)
Seems pretty obvious it's either him or someone close to him


I think you are probably underestimating the number of guys who post here who would identify with a guy like Bauer. I am actually surprised that there is only one guy here defending him this vigorously.

As to the "three rules" thing, there are plenty of people, especially, probably, although not necessarily, rich and/or celeb types, who set those kinds of parameters. How one feels about that is in many respects a question of personal sensibilities. The keys here IMO are Bauer choosing to talk about it in a SI article (I don't recall Derek Jeter giving detailed interviews about his gift basket system) and as noted, the tone-deafness. If Bauer had a higher EQ, he could have said something like, "I meet a lot of great women, but we always both make it clear upfront that neither of us is interested in a serious, long-term, emotional relationship before we move it forward" instead of how he framed it.
   87. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: February 21, 2019 at 01:52 PM (#5817123)
The way Bauer states it, it comes across as: "We both know who has the power in this situation--and it's not you. I'm going to get exactly what I want out of this, or you're gonna get lost. You're too easily replaceable for me to take any of your ####."

Even if it's basically true, there are more non-douchey, grown-up ways to express basically the same sentiment, as 86 notes.
   88. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 21, 2019 at 02:05 PM (#5817128)
The way Bauer states it, it comes across as: "We both know who has the power in this situation--and it's not you. I'm going to get exactly what I want out of this, or you're gonna get lost. You're too easily replaceable for me to take any of your ####."

Even if it's basically true, there are more non-douchey, grown-up ways to express basically the same sentiment, as 86 notes.


If you're a decent person, you don't act on that power in the first place. That way you don't need to express the sentiment at all.
   89. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: February 21, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5817132)
Fair enough. It should be possible, in principle, to come to a genuine agreement with another person even if there is a natural power imbalance, without abusing the power imbalance.

I think that is what 86 was expressing--it's clearly not what Bauer was expressing.
   90. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 21, 2019 at 02:59 PM (#5817146)
More unasked for rambles from me:
1) I don't know very much at all about the mechanics of pitching.
2) Even back to when he was an amateur, I've liked a lot of the specifics I'd heard and seen about Bauer's training plan.
3) It makes sense that teams would want him to be on their training program. They've spent more man hours trying to figure out what works and what doesn't than he has and there are lots of cases where players went their own way and drove their careers into the ground.
4) It also makes sense that he'd push back. It's his career and his body after all and it's not like he hasn't both put time in and also have an awareness (possibly overdeveloped?) that teams and coaches can be resistant to change and new ideas / he seems like a guy with a stronger than usual sense that he's in the right. (We all have some of this but some more than others.)
5) Lisa asked "i wonder how/if he gets along with his teammates or leaves in a separate cab?" The article, which is good, kind of plays it both ways here - I think more the latter but he seems to have buddies too.
6) I always thought people being mad at him for the drone thing was stupid.
7) Oof, he doesn't express himself well.
7a) I'm a generally sunny guy and get along with most people but I have one coworker with whom I share an almost immediate dislike of the other. Anyway, that guy reminds me in many ways of what I know of Bauer.
7b) I'm surprised more fun wasn't made here of his attempts to brand himself?
8) As to "trevor bauer isn't on the spectrum, he's just a creep" - He can be two things. (That said, I'm not inclined to diagnose him one way or the other.)
9) I'm not sure what else there is to say on the cul-de-sac of how Bauer handles his "romantic" life. Given his bluntness / awkward articulation on other subjects, I'm not sure how to take what he's saying here (which I read more like robin in 86 (down to thinking about the contrast with Jeter) than bea in 87 ... possibly key here). Look, I'm a serial monogamist who thrives on personal intimacy - his approach is antithetical to how I could live my life. That said, so long as he's honest and not abusive wrt power dynamics (what that even means as a human being is a discussion unto itself), this is real low on the list of things I'd worry about here.
   91. Powderhorn™, arrogant local sailing champion Posted: February 21, 2019 at 04:07 PM (#5817173)
As to "trevor bauer isn't on the spectrum, he's just a creep" - He can be two things. (That said, I'm not inclined to diagnose him one way or the other.)
You're right, of course. But that's not the way I see it used here or in most other places. Here we have a guy acting like a creep, and it’s suggested that he may be on the spectrum, as if that explained it. Which, no. That’s not how it works.
   92. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 21, 2019 at 04:13 PM (#5817179)
You're also right, of course. :)
   93. villageidiom Posted: February 21, 2019 at 05:38 PM (#5817196)
But my understanding is that being on the spectrum involves some impairment in interpersonal skills along the lines of communication, understanding of others, etc. - not a relentless desire to be obnoxious and push people's buttons. If anything, the latter implies an understanding and intentionality with communication that isn't characteristic of people on the spectrum.
The latter could also imply that others are misinterpreting their reactions to Bauer as something Bauer intended. It could easily be that he doesn't care about others' reactions.
   94. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 21, 2019 at 05:48 PM (#5817200)
Eh, I’ve found that people who genuinely don’t care what other people think don’t generally go out of their way to provoke people at every turn.
   95. . Posted: February 21, 2019 at 06:28 PM (#5817215)
It's blatantly obvious that Bauer is massively insecure, which is why he makes sure to immediately give people reasons to hate him so as to preclude the mental hurt that would come to him if they came to that conclusion without the reasons he gave them. It's a classic, fundamental symptom of insecure people. Freshman Psych 101.
   96. Omineca Greg Posted: February 21, 2019 at 08:52 PM (#5817243)
There was a young man named Trevor Bauer
Modified his brain with electric power
Started in the World Series but took an early shower
Poor old Trevor Bauer

There was a young man named Trevor Bauer
Hated a president and it wasn't Eisenhower
For the Cubs it was sweet but for the Indians sour
Poor old Trevor Bauer

There was a young man named Trevor Bauer
If a girl got attached then he'd glower
He raised up Kris Bryant's Isolated Power
Poor old Trevor Bauer

There was a young man named Trevor Bauer
Up high in the sky his drone would tower
But his finger the blades endeavoured to devour
Poor old Trevor Bauer

There was a young man named Trevor Bauer
I know my song seems like it lasts an hour
Jump up from the your cringing there's no more need to cower
We're done with Trevor Bauer

We're done with Trevor Bauer

ONE MORE TIME!

We're done with Trevor Bauer!
   97. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 22, 2019 at 09:02 AM (#5817291)
Awwwww, I was hoping you could work "Trump Tower" into there somewhere.
   98. nick swisher hygiene Posted: February 22, 2019 at 10:03 AM (#5817308)
OK, so, this is called a Venn diagram—we have labels on the two circles, “Asp.” and “Ass.”—now, kids, see the area where those two circles overlap?

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