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Friday, July 21, 2006

Tri-Cities.com: Trick Question - Landers Upholds Sox Protest

No, this isn’t the major league White Sox or Red Sox, but the minor league Bristol Sox:

To Lee Landers, it seemed almost like a trick question.

“I knew something was wrong,” the Appalachian League commissioner said Thursday night, “but I wanted to make sure everyone was getting a fair shake.”

In the end, Landers had no choice but to uphold Bristol manager Nick Leyva’s protest of Wednesday night’s 8-5, 11-inning loss to Danville because Braves manager Paul Runge used an ineligible pitcher.

James Curtis pitched the last two innings for the Braves and was credited with the win. But Runge failed to list him on the team’s lineup card, which was given to plate umpire Wilton Cox before the game.

In the short-season and rookie leagues, teams typically carry large rosters of available players, and then choose to activate a subgroup for each game. In the Appy, teams carry 35 players and activate 30. It’s not all that uncommon for a manager to forget to put a player on the active list for a game, and then try to use that player, and normally the umpires don’t permit it.

According to Retrosheet, the last time a protest was upheld in the majors occurred in 1986. On June 16, the Pirates and Cardinals played a rain-marred game in Pittsburgh that crew chief John Kibler called in the sixth inning, with St. Louis leading 4-1. The Pirates argued that Kibler called the game too soon, and NL president Chub Feeney agreed. The game was replayed from the point of the stoppage on June 18, and the Pirates went on to lose 4-2.

 

Mike Emeigh Posted: July 21, 2006 at 06:22 PM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: July 21, 2006 at 08:41 PM (#2106799)
His children should be taken away.
   2. MM1f Posted: July 21, 2006 at 08:51 PM (#2106804)
So do they go back and replay the 2 innings Curtis pitched or is it forfeited?

Also, does the opposing manager get to see the other teams active/inactive lists?
   3. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 21, 2006 at 09:14 PM (#2106820)
So do they go back and replay the 2 innings Curtis pitched or is it forfeited?


It's replayed from the point at which the decision was made that led to the protest - so yes, they replay from the point at which Curtis entered the game.

Also, does the opposing manager get to see the other teams active/inactive lists?


The manager gets a copy of the lineup card, which lists the active players for that night's game, and he has a copy of the roster which lists all of the available players.

-- MWE
   4. The Ghost, elitist lollygagging neck-stabber Posted: July 21, 2006 at 09:27 PM (#2106828)
Wasn't there a incident this season in which a bench or bullpen player was left off the lineup card? IIRC, the team tried to use him, and the other manager caught it.

I think there was another lineup card error game as well.

I seem to recall both of these happening this season and in the majors, but I may be wrong.
   5. Willie Mayspedes Posted: July 21, 2006 at 11:00 PM (#2106872)
Chub Feeney huh huh huh, he said Chub, huhuhuhuhuhu.
   6. jwb Posted: July 21, 2006 at 11:54 PM (#2106918)
Hey, at least Lee Mazzilli got an RBI when the game resumed, on his only SF of the season. . .

Nick Leyva is managing in the Appalachian League?
1976-78, player (SS in college), Cardinals system
1979-80, manager, Class R Johnson City
1980, manager, A Gastonia
1981-82, manager, A St. Petersburg
1982-83, manager, AA Arkansas
1984-88, coach, NL St. Louis
1989-91, manager, NL Philadelphia
1992-93, manager, AAA Syracuse
1993-97, coach, AL Toronto (considered for manager, 1995)
1998-99, out of baseball
2000-02, manager, AAA Charlotte
2002, manager, R Bristol
2003(-04?), White Sox roving infield instructor
2004, manager, A Winston-Salem
2005, manager, AAA Charlotte
2006, manager, R Bristol

Is this a career path he has followed by choice? Is it normal for a minor league manager to move up and down between classes like this? Or to change jobs in midseason so frequently? And yes, I know his 1993 promotion from Syracuse to Toronto was due to a Toronto coach's auto accident.

By the way, while tracing Leyva's past, I found out that:
a) Dale Torborg has resurfaced as the White Sox's roving conditioning/ lucha coach.
b) Bobby Tolan is Bristol's hitting coach. It makes me very happy to see the name of a good player I remember from my youth in some context other than an obituary.
c) There is a Nick Leyva who writes for the Orange County Register. Different guy. He's younger, his eyebrows aren't as bushy, and he went to college at CS-Fullerton. Nick Leyva the manager went to college at LaVerne and was born in Ontario, CA. Perhaps they are father and son. I find it easier to think of LaVerne as a charming, elderly aunt than a college, but then, I have a charming, elderly Aunt LaVerne.
d) There is a Bucky Dent who writes for the Bristol, VA Herald Courier. Also younger than the AAA Columbus manager. The newspaper does not list a middle initial for him.
e) AAA Iowa, a long time Cubs' affiliate, was an Oakland farm club 1969 (or before) -1972, White Sox in 1973-74, Houston in 1975, White Sox again in 1976-80, and Cubs 1981-present. The Oakland/Iowa affiliation would make sense if it went back to the time the A's played in Kansas City and were a Yankees' farm club.
f) Ed Sprague, Sr. pitched eight ML seasons (1797 BFP) with an ERA+ of 89. Ed Sprague Jr. played 11 seasons (4587 PA) with an OPS+ of 89. Both with fairly long careers, and both equally below average. Weird, huh?
   7. Chien Meng Wang 2200 Posted: July 22, 2006 at 02:43 AM (#2107146)
Look at the name of the sportswriter who penned this story. Is this for real or is it a parody?
   8. jwb Posted: July 22, 2006 at 03:58 AM (#2107266)
Chien Meng Wang 2200, Bucky Dent has written many articles on the Bristol Sox. He certainly could not have been at the Bristol games he has covered and managed the Columbus Clippers at the same time. Is he Russell Earl Dent, Jr., the son of Bucky F. Dent? I dunno. Ask him. His e-mail contact info is at the top and bottom of the article.

By the way, as far as I tell, the Bucky Dent we know about never played, coached, or managed in the Appalachian League or anywhere else in Virginia. He did play in Tennessee (Bristol straddles the Virginia/Tennessee border)- for Knoxville in the Southern League in 1972 when he was 20, and I would imagine there was no shortage of young single women from all over the state there at the time.
   9. JTD3RD Posted: September 05, 2006 at 04:14 PM (#2168138)
I can tell you Bucky is a distant relative of the manager and ex ballplayer who broke Bostons heart. His true name is James M. Dent. And has written for the Bristol for at least 14 years.He is a avid Baseball fan, and also a amatuer Umpire and has worked many state Tournaments in Virginia in Baseball as well as Softball, also he has worked in the Little league World Series in the Majors Softball level.
   10. greenback Posted: September 05, 2006 at 04:38 PM (#2168159)
2003(-04?), White Sox roving infield instructor

I remember attending an Appy League game in 2003 where Leyva was managing. He's a baseball lifer.

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