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Thursday, January 31, 2008

TSN: Jones: Santana deal will work out for the Twins

Well, somebody likes the Twins end of the deal…and it’s Swiney Todd!

Well, The Twins finally pulled the trigger and traded Johan Santana. It’s always hard to gauge what you are getting when you deal for prospects, but, in the Twins’ case, a few factors are working in their favor:

No. 1, Terry Ryan still is connected to the organization. He has an unbelievable ability to evaluate talent. Need we mention, A.J. Pierzynski to the Giants for Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser. If you think that was luck, how do you explain Chuck Knoblauch for Cristian Guzman and Eric Milton? So if Ryan had his hand in this deal, rest assured as long as there’s no major injuries, the Twins will be OK.

Repoz Posted: January 31, 2008 at 12:52 PM | 5 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: January 31, 2008 at 06:44 PM (#2680911)
In baseball terms, Knoblauch for Milton/Guzman was no bonanza for the Twins. Knoblauch had 1 average, 1 good and 1 below-average season for the Yanks before collapsing. Milton had 2 bad, 1 very good, and 2 above-average seasons before getting hurt. Guzman had 1 good season and several pretty awful ones. That's fine return for Knoblauch but it hardly deserves to be in the same article as the Pierzynski trade.
   2. rfloh Posted: January 31, 2008 at 06:50 PM (#2680918)
They did get Carlos Silva for Milton, who then gave them 1 great, 1 very good, 1 above average and 1 horrible season.

Still not in the same class as the Liriano trade, I guess.
   3. spycake Posted: January 31, 2008 at 07:28 PM (#2680965)
Walt -- I think you're short-changing the Knoblauch deal. Milton posted 106-113 ERA+ figures in over 200 IP each season while making a grand total of under $3 million. That's a virtually free #2 starter. And depending on your view of Guzman's defense, he provided four not-embarrassing seasons of offense in addition to his one All-Star season, all at a cost of under $10 million.

And as #2 mentions, the Milton trade brought back Silva, who provided solid performance cheaply. (And also Punto, although that may be a negative at this point!) And of course, if we extend the deal beyond just Milton/Guzman, we see Brian Buchanan brought back Jason Bartlett in a trade, who provided a couple more solid seasons at shortstop cheaply, and has now been included in the package for 3 potentially useful players with even less service time.

Agreed it's not as lopsided as the Pierzynski trade, but it is certainly relevant in judging the Twins' front-office acumen, and is probably even more relevant in a discussion of superstar-for-prospects trades.
   4. omar sheets Posted: January 31, 2008 at 11:02 PM (#2681252)
The Twins also killed in the deal in which they obtained this Todd Jones from the Tigers. They got 19 very good innings out of Jones and stuck Detroit with 212 innings of Mark Redman.
   5. BeanoCook Posted: January 31, 2008 at 11:14 PM (#2681263)
I lived in Minny post Knobloch trade. Their fans were convinced they raped the Yankees. I suggested the Yankees did quite well, considering they kept winning World Series titles year after year. While Milton was pretty good as a Twin, the deal doesn't look like anything to write home about anymore.

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