Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Thursday, January 31, 2008

TSN: Jones: Santana deal will work out for the Twins

Well, somebody likes the Twins end of the deal…and it’s Swiney Todd!

Well, The Twins finally pulled the trigger and traded Johan Santana. It’s always hard to gauge what you are getting when you deal for prospects, but, in the Twins’ case, a few factors are working in their favor:

No. 1, Terry Ryan still is connected to the organization. He has an unbelievable ability to evaluate talent. Need we mention, A.J. Pierzynski to the Giants for Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser. If you think that was luck, how do you explain Chuck Knoblauch for Cristian Guzman and Eric Milton? So if Ryan had his hand in this deal, rest assured as long as there’s no major injuries, the Twins will be OK.

Repoz Posted: January 31, 2008 at 12:52 PM | 5 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: mets, tigers, twins

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Walt Davis Posted: January 31, 2008 at 06:44 PM (#2680911)
In baseball terms, Knoblauch for Milton/Guzman was no bonanza for the Twins. Knoblauch had 1 average, 1 good and 1 below-average season for the Yanks before collapsing. Milton had 2 bad, 1 very good, and 2 above-average seasons before getting hurt. Guzman had 1 good season and several pretty awful ones. That's fine return for Knoblauch but it hardly deserves to be in the same article as the Pierzynski trade.
   2. rfloh Posted: January 31, 2008 at 06:50 PM (#2680918)
They did get Carlos Silva for Milton, who then gave them 1 great, 1 very good, 1 above average and 1 horrible season.

Still not in the same class as the Liriano trade, I guess.
   3. spycake Posted: January 31, 2008 at 07:28 PM (#2680965)
Walt -- I think you're short-changing the Knoblauch deal. Milton posted 106-113 ERA+ figures in over 200 IP each season while making a grand total of under $3 million. That's a virtually free #2 starter. And depending on your view of Guzman's defense, he provided four not-embarrassing seasons of offense in addition to his one All-Star season, all at a cost of under $10 million.

And as #2 mentions, the Milton trade brought back Silva, who provided solid performance cheaply. (And also Punto, although that may be a negative at this point!) And of course, if we extend the deal beyond just Milton/Guzman, we see Brian Buchanan brought back Jason Bartlett in a trade, who provided a couple more solid seasons at shortstop cheaply, and has now been included in the package for 3 potentially useful players with even less service time.

Agreed it's not as lopsided as the Pierzynski trade, but it is certainly relevant in judging the Twins' front-office acumen, and is probably even more relevant in a discussion of superstar-for-prospects trades.
   4. omar sheets Posted: January 31, 2008 at 11:02 PM (#2681252)
The Twins also killed in the deal in which they obtained this Todd Jones from the Tigers. They got 19 very good innings out of Jones and stuck Detroit with 212 innings of Mark Redman.
   5. BeanoCook Posted: January 31, 2008 at 11:14 PM (#2681263)
I lived in Minny post Knobloch trade. Their fans were convinced they raped the Yankees. I suggested the Yankees did quite well, considering they kept winning World Series titles year after year. While Milton was pretty good as a Twin, the deal doesn't look like anything to write home about anymore.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
aleskel
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOTP 2016 August 22: Baseball has much to teach us about politics
(343 - 2:01pm, Aug 24)
Last: dlf

NewsblogYasiel Puig Earning Promotion On The Field But Is It Enough
(18 - 1:58pm, Aug 24)
Last: Jeff Frances the Mute

NewsblogThe Rangers release Josh Hamilton
(22 - 1:56pm, Aug 24)
Last: Cargo Cultist

NewsblogMookie Betts makes amazing throw from right | MLB.com
(8 - 1:53pm, Aug 24)
Last: Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site

NewsblogJustin Verlander is Good Again, So Enough with the Zach Britton
(39 - 1:52pm, Aug 24)
Last: Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site

Newsblog2016 New York City Softball Game
(434 - 1:44pm, Aug 24)
Last: reech

NewsblogA real vacation might benefit Jason Heyward more
(74 - 1:40pm, Aug 24)
Last: Swoboda is freedom

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-24-2016
(8 - 1:21pm, Aug 24)
Last: TomH

NewsblogThe Kansas City Royals will miss the MLB playoffs; they have too much ground to make up | The Kansas City Star
(35 - 12:23pm, Aug 24)
Last: SoSHially Unacceptable

NewsblogOMNICHATTER 8-23-16
(106 - 11:31am, Aug 24)
Last: AROM

NewsblogWhy Yankees shouldn’t be so quick to trade Brian McCann | New York Post
(34 - 9:58am, Aug 24)
Last: catomi01

NewsblogEmergence of Benintendi gives Red Sox elite defensive outfield - providencejournal.com
(4 - 9:31am, Aug 24)
Last: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad)

NewsblogOT: August 2016 Soccer Thread
(295 - 8:55am, Aug 24)
Last: I am going to be Frank

Sox TherapyOne Week Later - Not Doomed but Probably Not Saved
(40 - 2:07am, Aug 24)
Last: the Hugh Jorgan returns

Newsblog5 one-year deals working wonders for clubs
(6 - 1:10am, Aug 24)
Last: SoSHially Unacceptable

Page rendered in 0.3878 seconds
47 querie(s) executed