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Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Tucson Padres: Frustrations surface on the field

The issue began during the third inning of Omaha’s 20-3 win over Tucson on Sunday. Each time the Storm Chasers scored a run, players in their dugout jumped on empty cups, creating a loud popping noise.

It’s a recent tradition of Omaha’s, and it annoyed Tucson pitching coach Steve Webber. Webber barked at the Omaha dugout, voicing his displeasure.

Omaha manager Mike Jirschele, who was coaching third base at the time, yelled back at Webber. Webber came out of the dugout to talk to his pitcher Alexis Lara, who was in the middle of being roughed up.

Webber and Jirschele exchanged more words before Webber reached the dugout and the umpire issued a warning to both sides.

Tucson’s frustration and embarrassment then reached a new level.

Lara, acting on his own, threw a fastball that went right behind Omaha’s Wil Myers’ head. League rules prompted an instant ejection of Lara, 25, and Kennedy.

“I didn’t want to throw at anybody,” said Kennedy, who was suspended by the Pacific Coast League for Monday’s game because of Lara’s pitch. “He told (third baseman) Jesus (Merchan), he was going to do it and Jesus told him not to. He still did. I don’t know why. I don’t know if it’s machismo or immaturity. You see that in rookie ball; you should not see it at the Triple-A level.

“He’s been around long enough to know that’s not how you handle something like that.”

The cup controversy didn’t stop there.

Kennedy’s frustration continued and he “aired out” Lara for his antics as the two walked down the third base line into the home clubhouse. Kennedy continued to get after Lara in the clubhouse, and the relief pitcher eventually quit on the spot.

“He just said ‘no more baseball,’” said Kennedy before Tucson’s 5-2 loss to Omaha on Monday night at Kino Stadium. “I’ve had some guys threaten to quit, but I’ve always been able to talk them out of it. He wasn’t going to be talked out of it.”

You know what that makes them? Lollygaggers.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 09:52 AM | 36 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dave Spiwak Posted: August 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4208651)
This is a hard story to keep straight. So many names -- I feel like I'm reading the Hobbit or that one book in the bible with the genealogy. The writer's crammed more names than other stuff into those one-word sentences. Which makes me think that Tucson is a minor league city for sports journalism, too.
   2. Greg Franklin Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4208660)
Gammonsian, isn't it? And Mike Crudale.

All I need to know is that a AAA pitcher quit baseball after headhunting, the Omaha Storm Chasers haven't found a classier team celebration yet, and Terry Kennedy is still around.
   3. Lassus Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4208670)
I feel like I read this exact story in Kahn's "Good Enough to Dream" about the Utica Blue Sox.

Then again, there is also the slight possibility there may be some scant repetition in minor-league narratives. You know, maybe.
   4. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4208678)
Through the weekend, the Tucson Pads had a record of 46-71, for a win% of .380 - this is nae good.
   5. JJ1986 Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4208679)
Why did the Omaha Royals change their name?
   6. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4208681)
In a related story, "Storm Chasers" is a pretty cool nickname, even if it sounds like a mid-70s Saturday morning cartoon show. (Or maybe because of it....)
   7. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4208682)
Then again, there is also the slight possibility there may be some scant repetition in minor-league narratives. You know, maybe.

Word is the game also featured an organist delighting the crowd by playing "Three Blind Mice" after a controversial play went against the OSCs.

Why did the Omaha Royals change their name?

To me "Omaha Royals" sounds odd because in my formative years they were the "Omaha Golden Spikes". Apparently that only lasted 4 years!
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4208684)

Why did the Omaha Royals change their name?


Would you want to be associated with the Royals?
   9. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4208737)
Would you want to be associated with the Royals?

In that case, perhaps you should change your handle to StormChasersRetro.
   10. dlf Posted: August 15, 2012 at 12:43 PM (#4208751)
I feel like I read this exact story in Kahn's "Good Enough to Dream" about the Utica Blue Sox.


I really liked that book. I thought it was much better than his critically acclaimed Boys of Summer. I've often wondered what ever happened to some of the key figures potrayed so well in the story.
   11. Lassus Posted: August 15, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4208795)
I've often wondered what ever happened to some of the key figures potrayed so well in the story.

I don't know; but I can tell you the bar they frequented, Spilka's, is still there. Although anyone mentioned in that book who isn't actually dead is probably in better physical shape than the bar.
   12. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 15, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4208813)
This is a hard story to keep straight. So many names -- I feel like I'm reading the Hobbit or that one book in the bible with the genealogy.


I'm reading A Storm of Swords now, and I have the same complaint about all of Martin's books so far. Intriguing storyline, but enough of the irrelevant names that we don't care about and will never hear from again already.
   13. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: August 15, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4208817)
Not as good as this story.

Scanlan then hit Marlon Byrd in the shoulder in the bottom of the frame. Umpires and coaches held Byrd back as other players headed onto the field, including Myers.

Myers yelled and pointed toward Scanlon, who was ejected and standing next to Henson on the mound.

"When he hit Marlon, he (ticked) me off," Myers said. "Marlon's one of my good buddies, and everyone on this team has been good to me. When one of my buddies get hit, we're going to play beanball war."

Myers made good on his promise when Henson came to the plate with two out the next inning.

"Henson was standing there looking at me and saying stuff," Myers told the Delaware News Journal. "So I told him, 'You're next, buddy, you're next.' So right when I threw at him I knew he was coming out."
   14. UCCF Posted: August 15, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4208822)
I've often wondered what ever happened to some of the key figures potrayed so well in the story.

None of the players ever made the majors. Given that it was an unaffiliated A-ball team, I guess that's not all that surprising.
   15. pthomas Posted: August 15, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4208825)
What is a "recent tradition"?
   16. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: August 15, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4208832)
You know what that makes them? Lollygaggers.



This thread was over before it even started. Awesome tag line, Retro.
   17. RobertMachemer Posted: August 15, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4208859)
I can only assume that this is Bobby Valentine's fault.
   18. geonose Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:30 PM (#4209040)
Would you want to be associated with the Royals?

Apparently yes, as that association has endured since 1969, and the Storm Chasers could have ceased it any time the current player development contract expired.

They changed their name when they moved into their new stadium prior to the 2011 season. I don't know why they felt compelled to do so, but apparently it's pretty common in the minors - teams change their names when they get fresh digs.

What is a "recent tradition"?

Oxymoron.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4209116)
Omaha manager Mike Jirschele, who was coaching third base at the time, yelled back at Webber. Webber came out of the dugout to talk to his pitcher Alexis Lara, who was in the middle of being roughed up.


Omaha is a long way from Nantucket. I guess the recession has hit Sandpiper air also.
   20. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4209129)
Each time the Storm Chasers scored a run, players in their dugout jumped on empty cups, creating a loud popping noise.


That is kind of a Little League maneuver, no? Not what one would expect in professional baseball at the AAA level.
   21. Greg K Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4209138)
I'm reading A Storm of Swords now, and I have the same complaint about all of Martin's books so far. Intriguing storyline, but enough of the irrelevant names that we don't care about and will never hear from again already.

Oh you'll hear from them again. Once all the main characters die he has to bring in the new ones from somewhere.
   22. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:13 PM (#4209148)
Oh you'll hear from them again. Once all the main characters die he has to bring in the new ones from somewhere.


I hope not. Or more specifically, what sticks out is something near the beginning where the Tyrells are coming into Kings Landing and he mentions about 20 of them by name on one page,:knights, their wives, children, cousins...When I glance at a new page and see nothing but names every 3rd or 4th word, I just skip to the next page.
   23. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4209170)
That is kind of a Little League maneuver, no? Not what one would expect in professional baseball at the AAA level.

Correct. I could see it happening in college, even. But professional baseball? Yuck.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4209208)
Correct. I could see it happening in college, even. But professional baseball? Yuck.


I guess it's an interesting balancing act between being a professional and actually having fun. It seems no matter what someone does, a group somewhere is going to find fault with it, whether it's too professional (when we played, we played for the love of the game, not like today players who play for money) or unprofessional (that Reyes/Phillips/Fielder/Harper etc. kid just doesn't respect the game). The way I look at it, as long as the intent is ultimately to have fun and not to dis the opposition, then go for it. It is a game after all. Go out, play, give it your best effort to be prepared etc. But ultimately these aren't soldiers or doctors or fireman where someone's life can be in the balance (with apologies to Josh Hamilton/Carl Mays of course)
   25. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4209298)
I hope not. Or more specifically, what sticks out is something near the beginning where the Tyrells are coming into Kings Landing and he mentions about 20 of them by name on one page,:knights, their wives, children, cousins...When I glance at a new page and see nothing but names every 3rd or 4th word, I just skip to the next page.

That's one of the bad things about the books taking forever to come out and them being so long. You get your hands on a new one and you get introduced to a million characters and it has been many years so you've forgotten who are all these people and who is aligned with whom and how sincerely they are. Then because the books are so long it isn't like you can cannonball through them to get caught up before you read the new one.

After season 2 on HBO I tried to go back and re-read the series but I couldn't get passed the first 100 pages. Those first 100 pages or so are simply dreadful.
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4209301)
After season 2 on HBO I tried to go back and re-read the series but I couldn't get passed the first 100 pages. Those first 100 pages or so are simply dreadful.


That is where I stopped reading the book and never picked it back up even though everyone raves about them, I think that long fantasy novels are required to be unreadable for the first 100 pages (reason I never read Tolkien even though I'm a science fiction geek, D&D player and sometime member of SCA)
   27. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4209307)
That is where I stopped reading the book and never picked it back up even though everyone raves about them, I think that long fantasy novels are required to be unreadable for the first 100 pages (reason I never read Tolkien even though I'm a science fiction geek, D&D player and sometime member of SCA)

Virtually everyone I've talked to has either stopped reading before page 100 or says the first 100 pages is tough to get through. I remember picking up the third book and the clerk asking me how if the series was any good because he tried to read it and stopped. I asked him if he manage to read more than the first 100 pages and he said no. I tried to get my dad to read the series for about 6 years now and he simply wouldn't do it until he got a nook and the HBO series came out.

Those first 100 pages are a godawful start to what turns out to be a pretty good series.
   28. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 15, 2012 at 09:28 PM (#4209316)
Well, I just passed page 100 in book 3, so I should be good to go for a while.
   29. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: August 15, 2012 at 10:19 PM (#4209379)
It's good to know Lara's 25. Were that not included, my reaction would surely have been "But how old is Lara, dammit?!"
   30. Karl from NY Posted: August 16, 2012 at 12:23 AM (#4209422)
I got through the first book of Game of Thrones, although spent half the time glazed over at the endless torrent of names and characters. Gave up somewhere around 100 pages into the second. Around then I'd heard that the action in the later books was getting stuck and the series had a good chance of never getting completed, so I bailed out. Haven't seen any of the TV series, though hardly any dramatic television interests me at all.
   31. McCoy Posted: August 16, 2012 at 12:54 AM (#4209432)
QVC man?
   32. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 16, 2012 at 01:31 AM (#4209440)
The first 100 pages of Silmarillion can be a slog the first time through. Like Game of Thrones, worth the effort for me, at least.
   33. JoeHova Posted: August 16, 2012 at 02:05 AM (#4209444)
So, the manager thinks the pitcher was immature because he threw at a batter. Then the manager's totally mature response is to scream at the pitcher for several minutes in front of a stadium full of people?
   34. zack Posted: August 16, 2012 at 09:56 AM (#4209524)
The first 100 pages of Silmarillion can be a slog the first time through. Like Game of Thrones, worth the effort for me, at least.


I think the Silmarillion is a whole nother level of slog from the others mentioned here, since it is deliberately written in an ancient style. Or maybe just because it's the only one I gave up on for good.

The Baroque Cycle is probably my favorite book series ever, but oh god, the first three hundred pages... And it's usually the endings that are so hard for Stephenson.
   35. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4209533)

It's good to know Lara's 25. Were that not included, my reaction would surely have been "But how old is Lara, dammit?!"


That surprised me. I thought maybe he was some late 30s AAA journeyman. A 25 year old pitcher at AAA has a pretty good shot at being in the big leagues soon, especially in an organization as cheap as the Padres.
   36. bigglou115 Posted: August 16, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4209636)
Eerily similar to how my high school football career ended. My coach put me in for all of 1 play and I was frustrated, so I tossed my helmet when I got off the field. Admittedly, that was an immature reaction, but I plead 17. My coach then proceeded to scream at me for 15 minutes right in front of the home bleachers. It got so bad that people cleared away from the section next to where we were standing. When he was done I didn't even respond, I just walked up to the locker room and cleared my personal stuff out. There's just something about getting verbally flogged in public when your literally not allowed to hold your own. You've just got to stand there and take it until they're finished. You're mad and humiliated and your only options are to stay that way (unhealthy), screem back (bad career move), or quit (unhealthy).

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