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Baseball Primer Newsblog— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand
Sunday, March 02, 2008
A fairly balanced article though short on pointing to easily available numbers that confirm what is referenced in the article. Basically, you know by the end of the first batter’s plate appearance whether Turnbow is going to have a successful outcome. Turnbow’s control evaporates into dust after 15 pitches which is why the teams with batters who can follow a plan do the same thing: wait. Turnbow’s outings against St. Louis have been particularly infamous as last I checked Derrick was averaging a walk an inning against the Cards who as a group will just stand at home plate with their bat on the shoulder until they get two strikes. It’s obvious what is happening and yet nobody on the Brewer coaching staff can coach or convince Turnbow to just throw one down the middle. Part of that is the fact that Turnbow never really knows where his pitches are going. But still, one would like to think that SOMEBODY other than a cranky old b*stard watching on TV would notice the Cardinals gameplan.
But this part DID get under my skin:
Yost also caught his share of flak for not pulling Turnbow from games before he completely melted down. Turnbow often followed one walk with another and seldom succeeded when summoned with men on base, but Yost at times didn’t have what he considered better options in a bullpen running on fumes in the second half.
“There were times when red flags would go up and I’d go get him,” said Yost. “But he’s a guy who very seldom gets through an inning clean. You have to give him a little leeway. A lot of times, he finds ways to get out of it.
“When he got in trouble last year, a lot of time it would be with two outs. You’d think that he was one pitch away (from escaping). (Fans) want you to plug in the crystal ball.
This is a bald-faced lie. Turnbow’s implosions began from almost the first pitch. Yost defending his stupidity. Bah!
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1. Jay Z Posted: March 02, 2008 at 05:09 PM (#2704180)Turnbow is not a guy I have a lot of confidence in. He's on the team, or in camp anyway, because they gave him a big contract based on 2005. That being said the notion that he was completely predictable in his statistical patterns is highly exaggerated.
Turnbow overall did not pitch well on back to back days. But this was a tendency unique to 2007; he hadn't shown the problem before. And still a number of times he was used back to back and got it done. And the Brewers' bullpen was thin, so what were the other options if you give Turnbow the baby treatment? And sometimes he blew up anyway even with rest.
The overuse issue again is overblown. Same number of innings as his big year in 2005, when he got stronger as the season progressed. Turnbow did throw more pitches in 2007, because his control was a lot worse. Again, who picks up those innings if you cut Turnbow's load?
Whatever you think of Yost, the idea that anyone was going to get a lot from that bunch of stiffs is not one I agree with. Cordero excepted, they needed to blow it up and did so.
Turnbow may still get his chance to be closer for the Brewers. Gagne's future is hard to figure out. I wouldn't be surprised if he thrives as the Brewers' closer. But I also wouldn't be surprised if he is terrible in the closer role, and is demoted.
Where is the managing? This is a recipe, not the work of a manager. This only allows Yost to point to his "system" and pretend he is blameless. Ever hear of letting an effective reliever work 2 innings?
Has anyone ever studied what risks are introduced into the game just from the mere fact you bring 4 different pitchers into a game? I don't care if you start with Koufax, then bring in Drysdale, Rivera and Gossage. This is still 4 pitchers and there has to be some unnecessary risk there. It just takes one bad outing from one of these guys to lose a game.
Then again, Melvin never asked Valverde to work 6 days in a row, like Yost did with Coco.
But let me stop criticizing Yost before Harveys kicks me out of this thread again.
So did everyone else, except Yost.
42 such occasions
And one other occasion when he allowed 3 baserunners, but 0 runs.
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