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Thursday, March 22, 2012

TwinCities.com: size Ex-law professor Clark Griffith unzipped pants in public, charges say

A former adjunct professor at William Mitchell College of Law has been charged with indecent exposure after a 24-year-old student accused him of unzipping his pants in front of her along a street in St. Paul.

Clark Calvin Griffith, 70, of Minneapolis, the son of former Minnesota Twins owner Calvin Griffith, was named in a criminal complaint Wednesday, March 21, in Ramsey County District Court.

The complaint said the incident occurred Jan. 24 when Griffith and the woman met at a bar-restaurant near the college to discuss a law clinic in which she planned to work with him.

Griffith allegedly urged the student to sit next to him and asked her about how porn affected dating in her generation. According to the complaint, he also placed her hand on his groin area.

After insisting that he walk the woman to her car, he placed her hand over his groin area again, unzipped his pants and exposed himself on Victoria Street, the complaint said. He then reportedly kissed her.

Griffith, an attorney specializing in sports law, called the allegations “ridiculous” and said there was “nothing to this.”

“Anybody can charge anybody with anything, and I’ve done nothing wrong,” he said.

Tripon Posted: March 22, 2012 at 07:24 PM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Something Other Posted: March 22, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4087106)
If this in fact happened as the complaint alleges, the woman needs to learn that if a man behaves like an ####### inside the bar, don't go with him outside the bar, while the man needs to learn not to behave like an ####### in the first place.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 22, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4087112)
Oh dear, I fear for Smitty.
   3. The District Attorney Posted: March 22, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4087118)
Is he exhausted from hunting Kony too??
   4. BWV 1129 Posted: March 22, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4087125)
I can't believe this thread has gone three posts without referencing Option J. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
   5. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: March 22, 2012 at 08:25 PM (#4087127)
"size" was added as a subliminal message. Tripon is Clark Griffith.
   6. Tippecanoe Posted: March 22, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4087150)
exposed himself on Victoria Street


Sounds like Ms. Street should be the one filing charges.
   7. yb125 Posted: March 22, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4087159)
So I had a guy "Option J." me once.

I was riding the trolley on a Sunday and there was a guy, in his 20's probably who started talking to me. I wasn't interested but talked politely out of civility and the guy wasn't being rude just asking for my number. I declined and he said he was lonely and only had Rachael and Lauren to keep him company. I didn't know what that meant unto he motioned to his hands. I so "Oh" and he asked if I thought masturbating was disgusting. I said it was a normal thing and then he asked if I would like to watch him. I replied. "No. No I would not." He said he'd better move then and said in the seats across the aisle from me. A few minutes later he whispered over to me and when I turned he had his penis in his and was playing with it. I looked the other way and thought "Great a crazy on the trolley", he kept whispering to me and when I wouldn't look at him he moved the seats facing me in the same "booth" and lowered the newspaper he had to show me his penis again. I got out of the seats and moved to the exit and he called out to me "Hey you don't want to talk to me anymore?"

He saw him several more times and while he never pulled it out again he did try to talk to me which I pretty much refused to respond.
   8. smileyy Posted: March 22, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4087178)
[7] In that situation, I'd hope that I'd be brave enough to:

(1) Call the police
(2) Take a cel phone picture as evidence

There's a reason that's illegal. Or was this before those were an option?
   9. yb125 Posted: March 22, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4087183)
I was an option, it would've been only four years ago. Honestly only thing in my head was to get away from the guy. Later my younger brother scolded me for not calling the police since I worked at a high-school and it could be one of my kids next time. I didn't disagree with him, but at the time I didn't feel threatened just really freaking uncomfortable.
   10. The District Attorney Posted: March 22, 2012 at 09:42 PM (#4087184)
Maybe it needed some air. You know, sometimes they need air... they can't breathe in there. It's inhuman!
   11. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 22, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4087188)
When done on a trolley, masturbation is called "the San Francisco treat."
   12. yb125 Posted: March 22, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4087192)
I wasn't in the bay area, but that's... interesting.
   13. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: March 22, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4087193)
I was under the impression you could get away with stuff like that once you reached 70... Damn, now there really is nothing left about old age I look forward too.
   14. Traderdave Posted: March 22, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4087198)
A few years ago I was visiting Seattle & took in a couple games at (vastly over-rated) Safeco Field. I struck up a conversation with a guy in the next seat about baseball, particularly Seattle baseball.

He told me he inherited the love of the game from his mother, whom he noted in an aside was once married to Calvin Griffith. I never asked which generation CG it was, but now I'm really wondering....
   15. phredbird Posted: March 22, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4087201)
Maybe it needed some air. You know, sometimes they need air... they can't breathe in there. It's inhuman!

When done on a trolley, masturbation is called "the San Francisco treat."


I wasn't in the bay area, but that's... interesting.


yb, it's great to have another woman posting on -- hey, where ya goin?
   16. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 22, 2012 at 10:32 PM (#4087206)
Trolley self-love can also be called "The Neighborhood of Make-Believe," or "McFeely."
   17. yb125 Posted: March 22, 2012 at 10:49 PM (#4087213)
yb, it's great to have another woman posting on -- hey, where ya goin?


Heh I've been hanging around the board for years, used to post more in Yankee chatters during play-offs, but I certain reluctance to posting on internet boards in general and that's before any sort of board culture issues. I was in San Diego BTW, only one a few truly uncomfortable incidents on the trolley in about 14 years of riding it.
   18. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 22, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4087231)

Funny, I read #7 and assumed it was San Francisco and then assumed that yb was a guy.

I saw a man Option J it once about 10 years ago on a late night Metro North train (NYC). There was a very attractive woman in our car, which was pretty sparsely occupied. A homeless-looking man sat down across from her (those who have traveled on Metro North know the seats I'm referring to). About halfway into the ride she made a sudden movement to get up and the guy bolted away and into the next car. She told us that the guy had started masturbating while sitting across from her. She seemed pretty shaken up and called a friend to meet her at the train station so she didn't have to walk to her car alone afterwards.
   19. smileyy Posted: March 23, 2012 at 12:15 AM (#4087254)
[13] There's always crapping yourself with impunity.
   20. Walt Davis Posted: March 23, 2012 at 01:04 AM (#4087266)
How come nobody's answering Griffith's question: how has porn affected dating in your generation?

(worst pickup line ever?)
   21. staring out the window and waiting for fenderbelly Posted: March 23, 2012 at 01:12 AM (#4087269)
Option J is in the Urban Dictuonary with full Primer attribution. Sweet.
   22. Tripon Posted: March 23, 2012 at 01:34 AM (#4087273)
-- The day after the alleged exposure, Jan. 25, the student received a voice message from Griffith. He said, in part: "Any hint of anything here and I get shot. You don't want that, do you? That was amazing, by the way."

-- Jan. 26, after the student reported the alleged conduct to the school, Griffith sent a message via Twitter asking if it was she who complained.

She confirmed that it was. He replied, via text message: "I am very sorry. It is my fault. Instead of a complaint to the school, you need only tell me. Now I risk life, marriage, career and reputation and the hurt my daughters would suffer is too horrible to consider. I don't think you want to do that."

He said if she rescinded the complaint he promised to "be a gentleman" and "(do) what I can to help you....We'll get over this if we keep it contained."

- During a phone conversation recorded by police, Griffith apologized repeatedly but said, "You kissed me." The woman denied that. He described being in an "absolute daze" when "I unzipped."


Well, this proves you can be on Social Security and still be dumb enough to think you can get away with it.
   23. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: March 23, 2012 at 02:33 AM (#4087283)
Option J is in the Urban Dictuonary with full Primer attribution. Sweet.

Awesome. Even attributed to Keith Scott by name -- the Primate/lounger who got canned for using his real name while posting copiously here during business hours.
   24. Bob Evans Posted: March 23, 2012 at 08:26 AM (#4087312)
Huh, I thought it was Dag who came up with that.
   25. Morty Causa Posted: March 23, 2012 at 08:34 AM (#4087318)
Maybe you have to have been there, but I find the explanations at Urban Dictionary or Wiki Gonzalez more confusing than enlightening.
   26. tfbg9 Posted: March 23, 2012 at 08:43 AM (#4087328)
I have read about nine million true crime books in my life. One of the things I semi-remember from one of them is the percieved pattern of many a serial sex murderer who starts out as a peeping Tom, graduates to exposing himself in public, then moves on to rape, then rape-murder. Its a standard pyramid type patttern of a theory, I would suppose.

Most peepers just stay at that level, a few go on to exposing, fewer still to rape, etc. I wonder if its actually a real, research-confirmed pattern of criminal behavior.
   27. Howie Menckel Posted: March 23, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4087359)

"Let's just call this our 'Victoria Secret,'" he cooed.

   28. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 23, 2012 at 09:22 AM (#4087361)
Oh dear, I fear for Smitty.


Your fears are misplaced. Men who eschew pants cannot, by definition, unzip them.
   29. Morty Causa Posted: March 23, 2012 at 09:38 AM (#4087375)
I forget how Bill James characterized Calvin Griffith in one of the abstracts. That he should simply go about the business of becoming extinct--something like that, but it was a rather delicious put down as I halfway recall.
   30. base ball chick Posted: March 23, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4087421)
1 - option J pullers (hahahaha) are creepy because (if you are an unarmed female) it's a threat of violence/rape

2 - i have also heard that male serial killers/rapists often start out with the peeping tom, then, uh, advance. of course most peeping tome don't turn into serial rapists. kind of like most heroin users started with something less illegal...

really i should quit with all those puns but i can't help puttin em out. so to speak.

what always surprised me about guys like griffith - who is a freaking law professor fer chrissakes - is that they call or write ANYTHING to the victim. worse than a confession to the cops.

3 - you are 24 year old sober female and you don't know how to avoid getting into situations like that? seriously, you LET some creep pick up your hand to put it youknowwhere TWICE? you LET him walk you to your car?
   31. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 23, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4087427)
I forget how Bill James characterized Calvin Griffith in one of the abstracts.

he called him "the north end of a southward moving dinosaur"
   32. Bob Evans Posted: March 23, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4087584)
really i should quit with all those puns but i can't help puttin em out. so to speak.

There are so many, yours are just the tip...of, er, the iceberg.
   33. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 23, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4087605)
As always, baseball is a game of inches.
   34. Blubaldo Jimenez (OMJ) Posted: March 23, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4087648)
just the tip


I love that game!
   35. just plain joe Posted: March 23, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4087720)
So, when does baseball start?
   36. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 23, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4087730)
(worst pickup line ever?)


I once had a girl ask me to check whether a rash looked like herpes or not. That was probably worse.

(I declined, like a gentleman.)
   37. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 23, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4087732)
For the Twins, Opening Day is 73 days after Zipper Opening Day.
   38. Mark S. is bored Posted: March 23, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4087745)

I once had a girl ask me to check whether a rash looked like herpes or not. That was probably worse.


Even worse than "Does this rag smell like chloroform to you"?
   39. Tippecanoe Posted: March 23, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4087756)
Cal and Kirby used to "hang out" together.
   40. zonk Posted: March 23, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4087789)
[7] In that situation, I'd hope that I'd be brave enough to:

(1) Call the police
(2) Take a cel phone picture as evidence

There's a reason that's illegal. Or was this before those were an option?


Actually, I've been option J'ed, too...

Walking out of the 7-11 getting coffee before work, really early - ~6 AM or so - still half asleep... Guy in a relatively newish SUV, clearly wearing a jacket/tie, motions me over - I figure he needs directions or somesuch. He smiles, I crankily ask what he wants, he points down to his lap, wherein I discover that even though he's got a tie and sport coat on, he is wearing no pants.

I just said "What the #### is wrong with you?" and walked away... Since it was a bit of a jarring 6 AM experience, it didn't occur to me until about 5 minutes later to call the police, but he had already left the lot, and I certainly wouldn't have been able to give any sort of description... nor was I particularly interested in waiting around to file a report or somesuch.

I don't know that flummoxed is the right word, but it's just such a jarring, unexpected situation that by the time you think to report it - didn't seem like much point.

   41. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 23, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4087815)
I once had a girl ask me to check whether a rash looked like herpes or not. That was probably worse.

I'd be more insulted that she thought I knew what Herpes looked like. Unless you're a Dr.?
   42. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 23, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4087819)
"does this HSV II make me look fat?"
   43. Swedish Chef Posted: March 23, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4087836)
Two gross-out threads erupt like lanced boils simultaneously. BBTF is truly a mystery.

   44. zonk Posted: March 23, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4087839)
Two gross-out threads erupt like lanced boils simultaneously. BBTF is truly a mystery.


I don't like soccer either, but come on -- that's being mean.
   45. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: March 23, 2012 at 11:56 PM (#4088029)
"When in doubt, I whip it out,
My Daddy used to own the Twins,
It's a free-for-all."

--T. Nugent, circa 1970s

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