If this in fact happened as the complaint alleges, the woman needs to learn that if a man behaves like an ####### inside the bar, don't go with him outside the bar, while the man needs to learn not to behave like an ####### in the first place.

Oh dear, I fear for Smitty.

Is he exhausted from hunting Kony too??

I can't believe this thread has gone three posts without referencing Option J. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

"size" was added as a subliminal message. Tripon is Clark Griffith.

exposed himself on Victoria Street

Sounds like Ms. Street should be the one filing charges.

So I had a guy "Option J." me once.

I was riding the trolley on a Sunday and there was a guy, in his 20's probably who started talking to me. I wasn't interested but talked politely out of civility and the guy wasn't being rude just asking for my number. I declined and he said he was lonely and only had Rachael and Lauren to keep him company. I didn't know what that meant unto he motioned to his hands. I so "Oh" and he asked if I thought masturbating was disgusting. I said it was a normal thing and then he asked if I would like to watch him. I replied. "No. No I would not." He said he'd better move then and said in the seats across the aisle from me. A few minutes later he whispered over to me and when I turned he had his penis in his and was playing with it. I looked the other way and thought "Great a crazy on the trolley", he kept whispering to me and when I wouldn't look at him he moved the seats facing me in the same "booth" and lowered the newspaper he had to show me his penis again. I got out of the seats and moved to the exit and he called out to me "Hey you don't want to talk to me anymore?"

He saw him several more times and while he never pulled it out again he did try to talk to me which I pretty much refused to respond.

[7] In that situation, I'd hope that I'd be brave enough to:

(1) Call the police
(2) Take a cel phone picture as evidence

There's a reason that's illegal. Or was this before those were an option?

I was an option, it would've been only four years ago. Honestly only thing in my head was to get away from the guy. Later my younger brother scolded me for not calling the police since I worked at a high-school and it could be one of my kids next time. I didn't disagree with him, but at the time I didn't feel threatened just really freaking uncomfortable.

Maybe it needed some air. You know, sometimes they need air... they can't breathe in there. It's inhuman!

When done on a trolley, masturbation is called "the San Francisco treat."

I wasn't in the bay area, but that's... interesting.

I was under the impression you could get away with stuff like that once you reached 70... Damn, now there really is nothing left about old age I look forward too.

A few years ago I was visiting Seattle & took in a couple games at (vastly over-rated) Safeco Field. I struck up a conversation with a guy in the next seat about baseball, particularly Seattle baseball.

He told me he inherited the love of the game from his mother, whom he noted in an aside was once married to Calvin Griffith. I never asked which generation CG it was, but now I'm really wondering....

Maybe it needed some air. You know, sometimes they need air... they can't breathe in there. It's inhuman!

When done on a trolley, masturbation is called "the San Francisco treat."


I wasn't in the bay area, but that's... interesting.

yb, it's great to have another woman posting on -- hey, where ya goin?

Trolley self-love can also be called "The Neighborhood of Make-Believe," or "McFeely."

yb, it's great to have another woman posting on -- hey, where ya goin?

Heh I've been hanging around the board for years, used to post more in Yankee chatters during play-offs, but I certain reluctance to posting on internet boards in general and that's before any sort of board culture issues. I was in San Diego BTW, only one a few truly uncomfortable incidents on the trolley in about 14 years of riding it.

Funny, I read #7 and assumed it was San Francisco and then assumed that yb was a guy.

I saw a man Option J it once about 10 years ago on a late night Metro North train (NYC). There was a very attractive woman in our car, which was pretty sparsely occupied. A homeless-looking man sat down across from her (those who have traveled on Metro North know the seats I'm referring to). About halfway into the ride she made a sudden movement to get up and the guy bolted away and into the next car. She told us that the guy had started masturbating while sitting across from her. She seemed pretty shaken up and called a friend to meet her at the train station so she didn't have to walk to her car alone afterwards.

[13] There's always crapping yourself with impunity.

How come nobody's answering Griffith's question: how has porn affected dating in your generation?

(worst pickup line ever?)

Option J is in the Urban Dictuonary with full Primer attribution. Sweet.

-- The day after the alleged exposure, Jan. 25, the student received a voice message from Griffith. He said, in part: "Any hint of anything here and I get shot. You don't want that, do you? That was amazing, by the way."

-- Jan. 26, after the student reported the alleged conduct to the school, Griffith sent a message via Twitter asking if it was she who complained.

She confirmed that it was. He replied, via text message: "I am very sorry. It is my fault. Instead of a complaint to the school, you need only tell me. Now I risk life, marriage, career and reputation and the hurt my daughters would suffer is too horrible to consider. I don't think you want to do that."

He said if she rescinded the complaint he promised to "be a gentleman" and "(do) what I can to help you....We'll get over this if we keep it contained."

- During a phone conversation recorded by police, Griffith apologized repeatedly but said, "You kissed me." The woman denied that. He described being in an "absolute daze" when "I unzipped."

Well, this proves you can be on Social Security and still be dumb enough to think you can get away with it.

Option J is in the Urban Dictuonary with full Primer attribution. Sweet.

Awesome. Even attributed to Keith Scott by name -- the Primate/lounger who got canned for using his real name while posting copiously here during business hours.

Huh, I thought it was Dag who came up with that.

Maybe you have to have been there, but I find the explanations at Urban Dictionary or Wiki Gonzalez more confusing than enlightening.

I have read about nine million true crime books in my life. One of the things I semi-remember from one of them is the percieved pattern of many a serial sex murderer who starts out as a peeping Tom, graduates to exposing himself in public, then moves on to rape, then rape-murder. Its a standard pyramid type patttern of a theory, I would suppose.

Most peepers just stay at that level, a few go on to exposing, fewer still to rape, etc. I wonder if its actually a real, research-confirmed pattern of criminal behavior.

"Let's just call this our 'Victoria Secret,'" he cooed.

Oh dear, I fear for Smitty.

Your fears are misplaced. Men who eschew pants cannot, by definition, unzip them.

I forget how Bill James characterized Calvin Griffith in one of the abstracts. That he should simply go about the business of becoming extinct--something like that, but it was a rather delicious put down as I halfway recall.

1 - option J pullers (hahahaha) are creepy because (if you are an unarmed female) it's a threat of violence/rape

2 - i have also heard that male serial killers/rapists often start out with the peeping tom, then, uh, advance. of course most peeping tome don't turn into serial rapists. kind of like most heroin users started with something less illegal...

really i should quit with all those puns but i can't help puttin em out. so to speak.

what always surprised me about guys like griffith - who is a freaking law professor fer chrissakes - is that they call or write ANYTHING to the victim. worse than a confession to the cops.

3 - you are 24 year old sober female and you don't know how to avoid getting into situations like that? seriously, you LET some creep pick up your hand to put it youknowwhere TWICE? you LET him walk you to your car?

I forget how Bill James characterized Calvin Griffith in one of the abstracts.

he called him "the north end of a southward moving dinosaur"

really i should quit with all those puns but i can't help puttin em out. so to speak.

There are so many, yours are just the tip...of, er, the iceberg.

As always, baseball is a game of inches.

just the tip

I love that game!

So, when does baseball start?

(worst pickup line ever?)

I once had a girl ask me to check whether a rash looked like herpes or not. That was probably worse.

(I declined, like a gentleman.)

For the Twins, Opening Day is 73 days after Zipper Opening Day.

I once had a girl ask me to check whether a rash looked like herpes or not. That was probably worse.

Even worse than "Does this rag smell like chloroform to you"?

Cal and Kirby used to "hang out" together.

[7] In that situation, I'd hope that I'd be brave enough to:

(1) Call the police
(2) Take a cel phone picture as evidence

There's a reason that's illegal. Or was this before those were an option?

Actually, I've been option J'ed, too...

Walking out of the 7-11 getting coffee before work, really early - ~6 AM or so - still half asleep... Guy in a relatively newish SUV, clearly wearing a jacket/tie, motions me over - I figure he needs directions or somesuch. He smiles, I crankily ask what he wants, he points down to his lap, wherein I discover that even though he's got a tie and sport coat on, he is wearing no pants.

I just said "What the #### is wrong with you?" and walked away... Since it was a bit of a jarring 6 AM experience, it didn't occur to me until about 5 minutes later to call the police, but he had already left the lot, and I certainly wouldn't have been able to give any sort of description... nor was I particularly interested in waiting around to file a report or somesuch.

I don't know that flummoxed is the right word, but it's just such a jarring, unexpected situation that by the time you think to report it - didn't seem like much point.

I once had a girl ask me to check whether a rash looked like herpes or not. That was probably worse.

I'd be more insulted that she thought I knew what Herpes looked like. Unless you're a Dr.?

"does this HSV II make me look fat?"

Two gross-out threads erupt like lanced boils simultaneously. BBTF is truly a mystery.

Two gross-out threads erupt like lanced boils simultaneously. BBTF is truly a mystery.

I don't like soccer either, but come on -- that's being mean.

"When in doubt, I whip it out,
My Daddy used to own the Twins,
It's a free-for-all."

--T. Nugent, circa 1970s