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Saturday, May 12, 2018

Twins special assistant Jim Kaat wants to see baseball go to 7-inning games

Kaat’s primary points about the change include the fact it would restore the importance of starting pitchers, with the starter going five and then the setup man and closer taking over; the size of pitching staffs could be reduced (clearly this has no chance of flying with the union); and teams could bring back four-man starting rotations.

Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 12, 2018 at 05:31 PM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: general, jim kaat, minnesota twins, rule changes, twins

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   1. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 12, 2018 at 06:30 PM (#5671329)
No, it means there would be seven one-inning pitchers -- 4 or 5 "permanent" arms plus 2-3 out of 6-8 on the 40-man who would shuttle to and from AAA as needed -- and a half-dozen OOGY's to play tactical matchups.
   2. Stormy JE Posted: May 12, 2018 at 06:50 PM (#5671340)
Is "special assistant" in MLB pretty much the equivalent of a "no-show" job on a New York construction site?
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: May 12, 2018 at 07:22 PM (#5671345)
and TOTALLY NOT the reason, but a certain 79-year-old might be able to stay awake for the end of games - like he did as a younger man.

Kaat also wants a return to TV's "Family Hour."
also, don't even think about venturing onto his lawn.

:)
   4. PreservedFish Posted: May 12, 2018 at 08:25 PM (#5671360)
Kaat’s primary points about the change include the fact it would restore the importance of starting pitchers, with the starter going five and then the setup man and closer taking over; the size of pitching staffs could be reduced (clearly this has no chance of flying with the union); and teams could bring back four-man starting rotations.


We all know that the "starter" would go a mere 3 innings, yielding to modern regular bullpen usage.
   5. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: May 12, 2018 at 08:26 PM (#5671361)
Yeah, #1 has it on the nose. I like that Kaat has identified the problem, but his proposed solution would in fact make it worse.
   6. The Duke Posted: May 12, 2018 at 08:28 PM (#5671364)
Jim Kaat should be in the Hall. Maybe changing the game entirely is what it will take to get him that extra chit
   7. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: May 12, 2018 at 09:33 PM (#5671378)
Ugh. Could you imagine how the offensive stats before and after this would be funky? It's not just multiplying by 7/9 - there are other implications as well.
   8. #6bid Posted: May 12, 2018 at 09:43 PM (#5671380)
It's not just multiplying by 7/9 - there are other implications as well.


27 / 7 is almost 4.

So you have 6 4-out innings. But the final inning is traditional; the closer still needs to get 3 outs.

(ps I am not a kook.)
   9. PreservedFish Posted: May 12, 2018 at 09:50 PM (#5671382)
Could you imagine how the offensive stats before and after this would be funky?


They could play 208 games, the offensive stats would all even out nicely. A great starter could take the hill 41 times. The CYA winner might go 0-10 with 150 IP.
   10. Rennie's Tenet Posted: May 12, 2018 at 10:44 PM (#5671392)
You could go with a seven man batting order. The pitcher, DH, and one other guy will be Designated Sitters.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: May 12, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5671396)
Yes, that only makes sense. 7 innings, 7 hitters.
   12. eric Posted: May 12, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5671398)
You could go with a seven man batting order. The pitcher, DH, and one other guy will be Designated Sitters.


9 positions, so pitcher, one DF, and seven who go both ways. With the extra roster spot, there could be yet another bullpen arm. If they expand rosters, as well, then, to hell with OOGYs, we could have OPGYs. "Bring in Smith, let him throw his curveball on 0-0, then bring in Jones for his fastball up and in on 0-1, unless it's 1-0 then Jackson for his sinker..."

Full commercial break between each pitcher, of course.
   13. eric Posted: May 12, 2018 at 11:52 PM (#5671402)
apropos of nothing, this conversation made me look up Jim Kaat. I've always known his general stats, but for the first time I really appreciated his longevity.

In the regular season, he faced Ted Williams and Early Wynn...and Ryne Sandberg and Darryl Strawberry. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess he's the only one with the Williams/Strawberry pair.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2018 at 12:22 AM (#5671411)
I think he faced Julio Franco in Franco's cup of coffee with the Phillies, too. So you can get from Williams to, say, Adam Wainwright in two players.
   15. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: May 13, 2018 at 05:31 AM (#5671450)
A 10 PM curfew would accomplish the same thing, right? If not a hard time like that, "ten minutes before a Matlock rerun" works too.

Why didn't he say "Six inning games"? We're in fantasyland anyway, and this makes all of the math so much easier.
   16. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 13, 2018 at 08:28 AM (#5671463)
Jim's taking this this 11-inning no decision very personally. And this 9-inning one. And this 8-inning ND. Also this 9-inning no decision. Then there's this 8.1 inning game. And also a 7-inning no decision, and this 7-inning no decision and another 7-inning no decision. Plus an 8.1-inning ND and another 8.1-inning ND. And this 7-inning winless effort, and this one, and this one and this one. But if you retroactively apply the 7-inning rule, Kaat would have been 14-0 in those games, and that's 297 wins.
   17. BDC Posted: May 13, 2018 at 08:31 AM (#5671464)
Aside from all the other unintended consequences, seven-inning games would make every plate appearance more important, meaning that we'd get 45-50 seconds between pitches while everybody contemplated the awful gravity of the situation, and games would soon be back up to 3½ hours.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: May 13, 2018 at 08:55 AM (#5671468)
This is the inevitable byproduct of the Manfred Era, when no idea is too stupid to utter aloud.

   19. Greg Pope Posted: May 13, 2018 at 09:33 AM (#5671478)
It's sad that one of the proposed benefits of going to a 7 inning game is to go back to starter-setup-closer. As opposed to going back to complete games.
   20. bunyon Posted: May 13, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5671479)
Combining 16 and 18, I propose we don’t just go to 7 innings now, we do retroactively apply it to all of baseball history. Any comebacks in the 8th or 9th gone. Any homers in ten the 8th or 9th, gone. Saves, gone.

Kaat gets shorter games and the historical record stays consistent.
   21. BDC Posted: May 13, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5671483)
we don’t just go to 7 innings now, we do retroactively apply it to all of baseball history

Cool! Among other things, the Yankees sweep the 2004 ALCS. But the Red Sox don't mind as much, because they won the pennant in 2003 :)
   22. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 13, 2018 at 11:15 AM (#5671501)
And there'd be a crapload more love and lore for this World Series game.
   23. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 13, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5671502)
Of course, the writers would still induct Mariano Rivera and his 120 or so innings, just to piss off the purists.
   24. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5671509)
Somewhere in southern California, Trevor Hoffman suddenly slumps to the ground, feeling strangely weak. He holds his hand up in front of his face and he can see through it. He is beginning to disappear from the family picture above the fireplace...
   25. PreservedFish Posted: May 13, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5671518)
Who's the new all-time saves leader? Arthur Rhodes? Jesse Orosco?
   26. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 13, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5671528)
Dear Mr. President.

There are too many innings nowadays. Please eliminate two.

P.S. I am not a crackpot.
   27. BDC Posted: May 13, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5671530)
Hank Aaron just misses reclaiming the career HR record from Barry Bonds. Bonds now has 624 and Aaron 622.
   28. The Ghost of Logan Schafer Posted: May 13, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5671536)
I'm frustrated that Trevor Hoffman is a Hall of Famer and Curt Schilling is not.
I know that everybody already knows about Curt Schilling, but I just want to vent.

Career as a starter doesn't begin until age-25.

1994 & 1995.....Injured, only 13 starts (1.3 WAR) and 17 starts (2.2 WAR)

1996.....Missed 6-8 starts, only had a 9-10 record to go with his 4.9 WAR and 134 ERA+ .

1998.....Only had a 15-14 record to go with his 6.2 WAR

1999.....Missed 8-10 starts, but still had 4.9 WAR

2000.....Only had an 11-12 record to go with his 5.1 WAR and 124 ERA+ .

2003.....Missed 8-10 starts, only had an 8-9 record to go with a 6.0 WAR and 159 ERA+ .

So, late beginning to his starting career, some years with worse-than-deserving W/L records, and about
two seasons worth of starts lost to injury. Plus the writers don't like him as a person. I still am
holding out hope that he gets in.



   29. Bote Man Posted: May 13, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5671537)
All these proposals remind me of food recipe review sites where there's always at least one review that goes something like:

I tried this tuna casserole and LOVE IT! Except instead of tuna I substituted chicken and instead of noodles we just made some rice and skipped the cream sauce. I also added some marinara sauce and frozen mixed vegetables to liven it up a bit. It was GREAT!!
   30. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: May 13, 2018 at 06:49 PM (#5671649)
If you want to increase the value of the starting pitcher by doing something like this, make the game 18 innings.
   31. McCoy Posted: May 13, 2018 at 07:28 PM (#5671656)

Why didn't he say "Six inning games"? We're in fantasyland anyway, and this makes all of the math so much easier.


Kaat: No, no, no not 6 I said 7. Nobody's coming up with 6. Who plays a baseball game in 6 innings? You won't even get a buzz going. Not even a small child with a flask. 7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-elevens. 7 doors. 7, man, that's the number. 7 Chipmunks twirlin on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like your dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office. Cause you're fired.
   32. Jacob Posted: May 13, 2018 at 09:08 PM (#5671664)
7 dwarfs, not doors
   33. Lest we forget Posted: May 13, 2018 at 11:47 PM (#5671680)
It will never happen, but it's not a bad idea.

- Nearly all games will conform to the '2 hour' rule
- More doubleheaders

AND with more days available at the end of the season due to the increase in doubleheaders, you can:

- expand the playoffs to more of an NBA situation - 16 teams, for example

AND this would effectively bring MLB in-game and season-long strategy into the 21st century, and would be EXTREMELY exciting for young fans who will look to adopt something that both:

- appeals to their need for something 'not like the old generation'
- caters to their attention deficit issues that clearly plague baseball in the current era

This would work. Change can happen, and change can be exciting.

So why not?

   34. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 14, 2018 at 07:40 AM (#5671701)
Who's the new all-time saves leader? Arthur Rhodes? Jesse Orosco?
The original Mike Stanton.
It will never happen, but it's not a bad idea.

[...]
- More doubleheaders
They play seven inning games in doubleheaders in the minors. They can be fun.
   35. Baldrick Posted: May 14, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5671748)
AND with more days available at the end of the season due to the increase in doubleheaders, you can:

- expand the playoffs to more of an NBA situation - 16 teams, for example

AND this would effectively bring MLB in-game and season-long strategy into the 21st century, and would be EXTREMELY exciting for young fans who will look to adopt something that both:

- appeals to their need for something 'not like the old generation'
- caters to their attention deficit issues that clearly plague baseball in the current era

Can't tell if trolling or serious.

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