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Two Mets ranked on MLB Network’s Top 10 Second Basemen list

In one offseason, the Mets went from having none of the Top 10 second basemen in baseball to having two of them—at least according to MLB Network’s Top 10 Second Basemen Right Now! show.

But the order might surprise you.

Jed Lowrie, who the Mets signed to a two-year deal last week, comes in at No. 2 on the list, behind Jose Altuve of the Astros. Robinson Cano, who the Mets acquired along with Edwin Diaz from the Mariners in December, checks in at No. 4.

And, with the Mets being what they are, there is a less than 0% chance that neither of them will be the starting second baseman by September.

QLE Posted: January 15, 2019 at 04:33 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: jed lowrie, mets, robinson cano, second base

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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: January 15, 2019 at 09:33 AM (#5805589)
Jeff McNeil hit .329 with a 140 OPS+ while starting 52 games at 2B for the Mets last year.
   2. bfan Posted: January 15, 2019 at 12:30 PM (#5805694)
It is pretty amazing to have 2 second baseman coming off seasons each with an OPS above .800. That (.800 OPS) is my benchmark for "sufficiently good corner outfielder."
   3. bbmck Posted: January 15, 2019 at 12:45 PM (#5805701)
Teams with 2 players with 50+ games at 2B and .800+ OPS:

2018 Mets: Asdrubal Cabrera, Jeff McNeil
2018 Cubs: Javier Baez, Ben Zobrist
2008 Cubs: Mark DeRosa, Mike Fontenot
2001 Rockies: Jose Ortiz, Todd Walker
1994 Cardinals: Luis Alicea, Geronimo Pena
1993 Tigers: Tony Phillips, Lou Whitaker
1925 Athletics: Max Bishop, Jimmy Dykes
   4. bfan Posted: January 15, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5805758)
Interesting. 2018 was quite the year for teams' with 2 second basemen with OPS's above .800. This now means the Mets have 4 second basemen that hit like good corner outfielders? I am thinking that a trade of Altuve for DeGrom would be in order now.
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 15, 2019 at 03:09 PM (#5805764)
Daniel Murphy also had a .800 OPS for the 2018 Cubs, but only got into 33 games at second base with them.
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: January 15, 2019 at 04:13 PM (#5805795)
his now means the Mets have 4 second basemen that hit like good corner outfielders?

Cabrera is a free agent after finishing last season with the Phillies
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 15, 2019 at 04:53 PM (#5805811)
1994 Cardinals: Luis Alicea, Geronimo Pena
I don't know about you, but when I think of "good-hitting second basemen," Luis Alicea and Geronimo Pena jump right to mind.
   8. Rally Posted: January 15, 2019 at 09:18 PM (#5805864)
So what’s the buzz for Met’s lineup in 2019? Cano to first? Lowrie to short and punt infield defense? Both so McNeil can stay in the lineup?
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 15, 2019 at 09:25 PM (#5805865)
They’ll have all of their infielders at 2B. Cutting edge of shifting,
   10. PreservedFish Posted: January 15, 2019 at 10:09 PM (#5805878)
How would you line them up? I would think you need to put the tallest one in the back.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 15, 2019 at 10:56 PM (#5805893)
I’m sure they have analytics on proper ordering.
   12. Hysterical & Useless Posted: January 16, 2019 at 12:39 PM (#5806003)
I’m sure they have analytics on proper ordering


Don't buy the liverwurst!
   13. depletion Posted: January 16, 2019 at 11:53 PM (#5806228)
If the Mets trade Jeff McNeil I will shoot everyone in the universe, starting with other planets and working my way back to earth as time permits.
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: January 17, 2019 at 12:13 AM (#5806233)
How would you line them up? I would think you need to put the tallest one in the back.

this was my Catholic grammar school experience. The nuns would periodically "re-rack" you, especially in 5th to 8th grades. My twin and I flipflopped often between 2nd- and 3rd-shortest of roughly 20 boys. I don't recall either of us ever slipping back of the 4-hole.

at a reunion 10 years later - so around age 23 or 24 - the smallest kid and us, in a final racking, all would have wound up well into the back half of the line. go figure.

Mets said today that Lowrie would play every day, just all over. McNeil is expected to play more corner OF than anything except maybe 3B.
   15. bobm Posted: January 17, 2019 at 12:39 AM (#5806235)
NY Post: Mets’ strange reason for ignoring Bryce Harper: Jeff McNeil

As Bryce Harper and Manny Machado linger in free agency and look for teams willing to spend big on their services, the Mets entered this offseason with a plan, according to general manager Brodie Van Wagenen, and neither mega-star was included or has entered it since.

“When we set out to build this team we wanted to identify what our needs were and that we could accomplish all of those needs as we went forward in the offseason,” Van Wagenen said Wednesday at Citi Field, where infielder Jed Lowrie was introduced, following his signing to a two-year contract worth $20 million. “Let’s be candid: The outfield is probably not our top priority at this point.”

Pertaining to the possibility of Machado, the GM added: “I think from a fit standpoint, both in the outfield and infield, I think we’re in a pretty good position.”

Van Wagenen cited the need to find playing time for Jeff McNeil as a reason the Mets do not consider the outfield a priority. McNeil may receive the majority of his at-bats as an outfielder, following the additions of Lowrie and Robinson Cano this offseason, with rookie Peter Alonso in the mix for a potential starting job. Todd Frazier and Amed Rosario are also returning to the infield.

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   16. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 17, 2019 at 08:44 AM (#5806247)
Lowrie is apparently going to play at other than 2B, but I don't see that going well. His defense at 2B is passable, steady but with limited range. And of course he his not getting any younger. I don't see him as having the range to play SS. I heard him say in an interview about 2 years ago that he likes to play a single position and not move around as a utility player. So this should be interesting. I'm glad the A's got his best.
   17. formerly dp Posted: January 17, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5806264)
I don't see him as having the range to play SS.

Well, there's no reason for him to, with Rosario on the team. Amed started 154 games last year, no reason to expect a dropoff in 2019, provided his defense holds. I don't know who will start when Rosario needs a breather--it seemed like they rode him a little too hard last year, but that was a function of having so many of their infielders hit the DL.

If the plan is to play McNeil regularly in LF, with Nimmo or Conforto sliding into CF, I can get on board with that. I guess that puts Lowrie at 3B and Frazier at 1B? Frazier's a good glove guy at third though, so if he's going to be in the lineup, that's where you want him. I still suspect he'll be moved before opening day--no room for Alonso on this team, if they plan to keep Davis on the roster.

Wilmer's a D-Back now. Could see him posting some good numbers in that park.
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: January 17, 2019 at 09:55 AM (#5806265)
Lagares and Broxton figure at CF.

it's.... a little messy.

career .304 MLB AVG hitter in 344 PA/3B-2B-1B TJ Rivera is barely a blip on their 40-man roster at this point, while fan favorite SS-3B-1B-2B Wil Flores is headed to Arizona.

Cespedes may be back in the second half of the season, but don't bet the mortgage on it.

damn, does dp get a Coke for a post-post edit? I suspect my Flores note was first. that might have to go to the booth in New York.
   19. formerly dp Posted: January 17, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5806273)
Lagares and Broxton figure at CF.

it's.... a little messy.

Yeah they're sort of weirdly redundant, if Nimmo is going to cover CF regularly, they don't really need 2 backup CFs. But Lagares will probably bust his spleen the first week of April, and problem solved. If you take McNeil out of the OF equation, Nimmo-Lagares/Broxton-Conforto is pretty solid--B-ref has Conforto projected at .250/.349/.461 (seems low but whatever) and Nimmo at .262/.380/.447. If you're getting good production from 2B and C, you can carry a glove guy in CF. But a lot depends on if 2015/2017 Cano shows up, or we get the 2016/2018 version, if Ramos stays in the lineup, etc.

career .304 MLB AVG hitter in 344 PA/3B-2B-1B TJ Rivera is barely a blip on their 40-man roster at this point,

That sucks for Rivera. He was hurt and then re-hurt at precisely the wrong time last year. As much as I like the Lowrie signing, getting Cano, and snagging Davis in isolation, taken together, they seem like a poor allocation of resources.

Cespedes may be back in the second half of the season, but don't bet the mortgage on it.

Minaya effectively said they're not expecting anything out of him in 2019, yeah?

I suspect my Flores note was first.
Nerp...quick edit.
   20. depletion Posted: January 17, 2019 at 10:05 PM (#5806452)
TJ Rivera is cheaper than Wilmer Flores, I suppose. I'd rather they kept McNeil at one position so he has a chance to improve his fielding. Didn't we see this movie before with Daniel Murphy? Infielder hits cover off ball, gets jerked around and put in the outfield.

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