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Wednesday, August 24, 2011

TYA Interview With Marc Carig

Found this part interesting…and somewhat familiar.

TYA: Bloggers and twitter users, myself included, often criticize the mainstream media. How do writers tend to take that sort of criticism? Do you think any of it is useful in terms of honing your craft? Do you think it might be more effective and useful if the tone was less acerbic? What would you say to the argument that just as players are public figures who are open to criticism from the MSM, writers put their work product into the public forum and are therefore also open to criticism?

...The day after Derek Jeter collected his 3,000th hit, I wrote a story in which I brought up the possibility that he could be one of the last to reach the milestone, and part of the reason is because the game has changed. Statistically, we’ve seen hitters take more pitches, which means strikeouts have increased. We’ve gained a better understanding of the value of the walk. One of the major criticisms I got for that piece was that I had jumped to conclusions in making some of the assertions in the story. And I thought they were fair. I won’t apologize for the effort behind the piece. I didn’t willfully jump to conclusions. In fact, I ran the premise of the story by several people I trust in the game, all of whom have an extensive background in analysis. Still, I should have pushed harder, put my assertions through greater scrutiny. It was a lesson learned. I felt like I gained something from those who offered criticism in the spirt of starting a dialogue.

But I was surprised by the amount of criticism that amounted to little more than snark for snark’s sake. Sadly a lot of it came from sabermetric types — many of whom clearly didn’t know my work or my outlook on the game. They revealed this lack of familiarity by making all the blanket statements one would expect, assuming that for some reason that I bemoaned the change in the game, and that I was somehow beholden to the Church of Batting Average, RBI and Grit. To me, it’s the most unfair criticism, to assume that just because I’m in the mainstream media that I’m closed-minded about these things. Are we still fighting this stupid philosophical battle? It’s not 2002, anymore, and it’s been years since I’ve made a mom’s basement joke. So, save the snark.

Repoz Posted: August 24, 2011 at 08:37 PM | 5 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: media, sabermetrics, site news, yankees

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   1. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq., LLC Posted: August 24, 2011 at 08:59 PM (#3908074)
Get your head out of the games and watch a spreadsheet, Carig.
   2. Dale Sams Posted: August 24, 2011 at 09:57 PM (#3908114)
Found this part interesting…and somewhat familiar.


4. Dale Sams Posted: July 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM (#3873477)

I don't understand the snark. Jeter *is* the last player to get to 3,000 hits.


Ha! At least he's not mad at me!
   3. salvomania Posted: August 24, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3908185)
one of the last to reach the milestone,


Did the article say this, or that he could be THE last?

Because if it's the latter, I don't even have to read his argument to know it's ridiculous; if it's the former, it's only slightly less ridiculous, because there are many scenarios I can envision in which MLB (and the U.S., and civilization as we know it) is fundamentally transformed (if it even still exists) in the next 10-20 years, but still at that point at least a couple of current players will have joined Jeter in the club.
   4. spike Posted: August 25, 2011 at 12:23 AM (#3908209)
I won’t apologize for the effort behind the piece.

Good lord, it's like Checkers meets you won't have Carig to kick around any more.
   5. Graham Womack Posted: August 25, 2011 at 07:14 AM (#3908494)
criticism that amounted to little more than snark for snark’s sake

Ah snark, the latest tool of the witless.

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