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Wednesday, December 13, 2017

UCL of Los Angeles Angels’ Ohtani is damaged, according to physical

This doesn’t seem as big a deal as the Twitter reaction suggests. Of course, most things aren’t as big a deal as Twitter reactions suggest.

When reached late Tuesday, Angels general manager Billy Eppler told Yahoo Sports: “Shohei underwent a thorough physical with MRI scans to both his elbow and his shoulder. Those are scans we conduct whenever we sign a pitcher. Based on the readings of those MRIs, there are not signs of acute trauma in the elbow. It looks consistent with players his age. We are pleased with the results of the physical and we are very happy to have the player.”

Jim Furtado Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:22 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: angels, shohei ohtani

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   1. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2017 at 08:36 AM (#5591482)
I almost had a heart attack.
   2. Lassus Posted: December 13, 2017 at 08:48 AM (#5591488)
Um, I don't get it.
   3. McCoy Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:05 AM (#5591500)
I hope he can hit really well or at least be a decent defensive player with a decent bat because methinks he won't be a pitcher for long.

This issue could of course have been the reason why Ohtani is jumped to the majors so early.
   4. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:10 AM (#5591506)
I hope he can hit really well or at least be a decent defensive player with a decent bat


There have been a bunch of articles recently looking at his numbers and Japan's version of statcast data. In Japan he's a huge swing and miss hitter, a Chris Davis type. I'm half expecting a Javier Baez 2014 type of performance from him.

methinks he won't be a pitcher for long.


Why? He throws 101. He might get flipped into the bullpen eventually, but they'll let him pitch as long as he's physically able to.

This issue could of course have been the reason why Ohtani is jumped to the majors so early.


According to the excerpt, there is no issue.
   5. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:18 AM (#5591513)
According to the excerpt, there is no issue.


I mean, according to the Angels' spin, there is no issue.
   6. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:24 AM (#5591518)
I mistakenly believed that this was a totally ridiculous headline applied to an Angels press release. But it looks like the report was obtained by subterfuge, or something. So you might be right.
   7. Rally Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:25 AM (#5591519)
These are the people who told us last year, after Garrett Richards left his 4/5 start in the 5th inning, that it was all precautionary and he would make his next start. Which he did of course, 5 months later.
   8. McCoy Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:38 AM (#5591529)

Why? He throws 101. He might get flipped into the bullpen eventually, but they'll let him pitch as long as he's physically able to.


Why would they do that if it means trips to the DL? Sure if his bat is no good you make him a reliever but if his bat is good it is really hard to make him a positional player/reliever and get a lot of value out of that.

   9. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:41 AM (#5591532)
The UCL strain was in his medicals provided to all 30 teams at the time of his posting. Also, what pitcher in MLB doesn't have some UCL damage?
   10. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:44 AM (#5591533)
McCoy, I'm pretty sure that Ohtani is like a 5 star prospect with the arm and a 3 star prospect with the bat. He'll be viewed primarily as a pitcher unless he has years - years! - of injuries.
   11. Batman Posted: December 13, 2017 at 10:01 AM (#5591540)
In my half-not-quite-awake-yet and half-not-quite-hungover-yet state, I couldn't understand why the headline was spelling UCLA like that.
UCL of Los Angeles Bruins to take on rival U of Southern C California Trojans in meaningless late season clash
   12. McCoy Posted: December 13, 2017 at 10:05 AM (#5591542)
Also, what pitcher in MLB doesn't have some UCL damage?

Some of the ones that don't get TJS?
   13. Rally Posted: December 13, 2017 at 10:26 AM (#5591557)
Also, what pitcher in MLB doesn't have some UCL damage?


R.A. Dickey
   14. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: December 13, 2017 at 11:24 AM (#5591632)
Also, what pitcher in MLB doesn't have some UCL damage?
Different joint, but Dr. Andrews was once quoted as saying that taking an MRI of any pitcher's shoulder will give you an excuse to operate, if that's what you really want to do. All professional pitchers are damaged to some degree or another.
   15. Traderdave Posted: December 13, 2017 at 01:20 PM (#5591849)
Different joint, but Dr. Andrews was once quoted as saying that taking an MRI of any pitcher's shoulder will give you an excuse to operate, if that's what you really want to do. All professional pitchers are damaged to some degree or another.


I have a relative who is a radiologist who has read films of pro athletes (all sports) including for evals by a team about to sign the athlete in question.

He says the amount of damage to a pro athlete's body is shocking, and that he's never surprised when superstars flame out quickly.

And no, he refused to name names, dammit...
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 13, 2017 at 02:12 PM (#5591922)
IIRC, when Masahiro Tanaka went on the DL with a partially torn UCL in 2014, the consensus of the in-house BBTF medical experts was that he was foolish to not have immediate Tommy John surgery since there was no point in delaying the inevitable. Tanaka opted for a PRP shot and 6 weeks of rest, and has pitched another 539 innings without undergoing surgery. # No Jinx
   17. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:08 PM (#5592080)
the consensus of the in-house BBTF medical experts


Well there's your problem right there. There are no primer medical experts, however if you're looking for legal advice this is the place to be!
   18. Tim M Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5592100)
It can't be easy to hit w/ a bad UCL either, i would think. Probably doesn't come up often for regular position players.
   19. ReggieThomasLives Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:21 PM (#5592229)
Tanaka opted for a PRP shot and 6 weeks of rest, and has pitched another 539 innings without undergoing surgery.


We don’t know that he wouldn’t have thrown 300 innings with a sub zero ERA if only he had surgery.
   20. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 10:02 PM (#5592252)
There are no primer medical experts, however if you're looking for legal advice this is the place to be!


Well lawyers are experts in everything, just give them an excuse to tell you.

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