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Thursday, December 22, 2005

Union Tribune: Padres get OK to move in right-center wall

Death Valley gets a bit smaller at Petco

Major League Baseball has approved the Padres’ request to shorten the distance to right-center – a change that will knock 11 feet off the distance to the deepest point of the right-field power alley.

The change will be accomplished by bringing in the see-through fence in front of the “beachers” in right-center. The realigned fence will run directly from the corner of the right-field scoreboard to the right-field corner of the green-canvassed fence in front of the batter’s eye.

The fence will be moved in time for the inaugural World Baseball Championships March 18 and 20.

“We did some computations which showed the change would have resulted in perhaps a dozen more homers last season with a net positive of around five homers for the Padres,” said Sandy Alderson, the club’s CEO.

“We wanted to address the concerns of some left-handed hitters without making a radical change to the ballpark. And I wanted to eliminate the easy triple where the ball just kept rolling toward that 411-foot sign. Fast guys will still get their triples.”

Maury Brown Posted: December 22, 2005 at 06:58 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. AROM Posted: December 22, 2005 at 07:20 PM (#1790440)
I wonder if he's talking about 12 homers for the padres, 7 for opponents for a +5 net,

or 9 for the padres, 4 for the opponent, so its close to a dozen total homers.

I'll have to make some kind of guess at the new homepark factor. I can't just wait till they play the season to get the new factor.

Money is at stake. Don't want to overpay for Chris Young next April.
   2. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: December 22, 2005 at 07:24 PM (#1790447)
I wonder if he's talking about 12 homers for the padres, 7 for opponents for a +5 net,

or 9 for the padres, 4 for the opponent, so its close to a dozen total homers.


Or maybe they'll give up 7 and hit 5. That would be nice.
   3. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: December 22, 2005 at 08:12 PM (#1790537)
Maybe he meant "per game."
   4. A triple short of the cycle Posted: December 22, 2005 at 08:51 PM (#1790612)
I wonder how he knows the Padres would have benefitted more than the opposition from the closer fence? Did he chart warning track outs?
   5. mommy Posted: December 22, 2005 at 09:41 PM (#1790716)
what ###### crap. just leave the goddam fence where it is. move it out further. stop bringing everything in cause ryan klesko strains his ##### when trying to hit the ball that far.
   6. mommy Posted: December 22, 2005 at 09:43 PM (#1790721)
this has what to do with business of baseball? or is maury povich just locked in this room and isn't allowed to post articles anywhere else?
   7. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: December 22, 2005 at 09:59 PM (#1790760)
BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
   8. mgl Posted: December 22, 2005 at 11:10 PM (#1790873)
GM's thinking that certain ballpark configurations benefit their team is generally crap. Even if that would have produced 5 more HR for the Pads last year, that is mosty likely a fluke. And I have no idea what he is talking about as far as triples. In fact, if nothing else, you want a "quirky" park with a high triples rate, since triples have the hiIghest bay far home/road ratio.

In general, teams are better off with pitcher parks (although it is debatable how extreme you want to be). It gives their pitchers confidence (hitters don't need that kind of "confidence") and more importantly, it saves wear and tear on their bullpen.
   9. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 22, 2005 at 11:12 PM (#1790876)
Other than Houston taking out those seats down the LF line, has there been any ballpark changes to make it harder to hit homers in recent memory?
   10. Steve Treder Posted: December 22, 2005 at 11:18 PM (#1790885)
In general, teams are better off with pitcher parks (although it is debatable how extreme you want to be). It gives their pitchers confidence (hitters don't need that kind of "confidence") and more importantly, it saves wear and tear on their bullpen.

Absolutely. This is a dumb thing for the Padres to do, at least as a baseball move. Maybe they'll sell a ton more tickets to fans who equate home runs with good baseball entertainment, in which case it's conceivably a good business move. But I doubt even that; in the long run, what sells tickets best is wins, and having a pitchers' park is a long-run benefit to the win column of the team that plays there.
   11. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 22, 2005 at 11:19 PM (#1790887)
Man, if I were a Pods fan, I'd flock to the park to see that additional 0.06 HR per game they will hit!!!
   12. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: December 22, 2005 at 11:26 PM (#1790889)
Other than Houston taking out those seats down the LF line, has there been any ballpark changes to make it harder to hit homers in recent memory?

Kauffman pushed their fences 10-15 ft. back a couple years ago. Right around the time they signed Juan Gonzalez.
   13. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 22, 2005 at 11:29 PM (#1790894)
Kauffman pushed their fences 10-15 ft. back a couple years ago. Right around the time they signed Juan Gonzalez.

Oh, yeah.

Didn't they move them back a year or two later?
   14. Flynn Posted: December 22, 2005 at 11:33 PM (#1790899)
Didn't they move them back a year or two later?

No. You're thinking of Comerica.

I think the Phillies are considering knocking back from of the fences at their new park. But that place is a joke.
   15. Dr. Vaux Posted: December 22, 2005 at 11:33 PM (#1790900)
The Phillies just made a tiny change to make their outfied dimensions a bit larger, too.

I'm interested in the triples thing. Might it be that eliminating some triples, and doubles for slower guys, will make it a slightly better pitchers park than it was? There are more doubles than homers, after all. This is really a pretty insignificant change, though, since it's to a smal part of the fence, and the difference the study shows it to make is well within random fluctuation anyway.
   16. DTS Posted: December 23, 2005 at 03:25 AM (#1791163)
Other than Houston taking out those seats down the LF line,

When did they do that? Or did they already announce it and I miss it?
   17. mgl Posted: December 23, 2005 at 03:26 AM (#1791166)
Comerica moved the fences in in 2003 and then lowered them for 2004. In 01, Camden Yards they moved home plate back 7 feet and then moved it back to its original position in 02. In 96, Jack Murphy moved the RF fence back a little and raised it. In 96 when the A's renovated their stadium, they raised the height of the OF fences in the power alleys. The Astrodome moved out the power alleys in 93 (they were changing the dimensions all the time). Old Cle Stadium moved their fences back a lot in 92 and then in again in 92...
   18. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: December 23, 2005 at 03:33 AM (#1791173)
Old Cle Stadium moved their fences back a lot in 92 and then in again in 92...

No wonder Albert Belle became so messed up.
   19. TerpNats Posted: December 23, 2005 at 06:20 AM (#1791371)
The power alleys at RFK were moved back 14 feet. Trouble was, it took 34 years, and no one realized it at the time.
   20. John Northey Posted: December 23, 2005 at 06:35 PM (#1791905)
A shame to see them removing triples in favour of a few more home runs. I'm a big fan (when watching, vs when evaluating the quality of a team) of the running game and triples encourage it, and it also makes an inside the park home run more likely I suspect. Is there a more entertaining baseball event than an inside the park home run? And if the gap made it easier for slow guys to get triples then you get the fun of watching them huff and puff as they get their one triple of the year.

Sigh. If only there was a way to get someone to rebuild the Polo Grounds. 500 to centre and 250-280 down the lines. Now _that_ sounds like a fun park to watch a game in. Cheap home runs for utility infielders now and then (see the shock and disgust in the pitchers face, the shock and joy in the hitters) mixed with seeing vetern catchers run as fast as they can thinking they just might get a '1' under that triple column on their baseball card.
   21. LTV100 Posted: December 26, 2005 at 07:14 AM (#1794308)
I think the Phillies are considering knocking back from of the fences at their new park. But that place is a joke.

By "joke", do you mean "essentially neutral to slight hitter's park"? Because that's what CBP is -- it does increase HRs, but it depresses doubles and triples.

And, fwiw, the Phillies have actually decided and committed to moving back the LF fence a bit already by eliminating the first two rows of seats. I think it's already been completed.
   22. Dr. Vaux Posted: December 26, 2005 at 07:38 AM (#1794333)
Essentially neutral? The league ERA was 4.22 last year, and adjusted for CBP was 4.43.
   23. Flynn Posted: December 26, 2005 at 08:07 AM (#1794350)
By "joke", do you mean "essentially neutral to slight hitter's park"? Because that's what CBP is -- it does increase HRs, but it depresses doubles and triples.

Yeah, that 108 park factor is essentially neutral.

Parks that have 340 foot power alleys are a joke.
   24. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: December 26, 2005 at 12:40 PM (#1794377)
Old Cle Stadium moved their fences back a lot in 92 and then in again in 92...

Just to correct the typo, the fences went out (and up, at least in center) in '91, then in (and down) in '92.

'91 was the bleakest of the bleak for Tribe fans. Every once in a while, I'll still wake up in a cold sweat after dreaming about Jeff Mutis or Mauro Gozzo on the mound, Alex Cole in center, and a Mark Lewis-Felix Fermin double play combination.

*shudder*

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