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1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 17, 2011 at 05:00 AM (#3902090)#2 - Not only is it impossible to believe that Reagins traded for that contract, but he traded value to GET that contract. Mike Napoli is just ripping the ball this year and would be so helpful on this team, this year.
#5 - Don't say Kazmir. Ever.
by swapping Carlos Zambrano for Chone Figgins!
Make it so!
Magic 8 Ball says....
AJ Burnett
Zambrano and Ozzie Guillen get along like peas in a pod and Z flourishes. Dunn returns to the NL and magically regains his mojo.
EDIT: Shoulda, coulda, didn't RTFA
Your standards for a solid starter are pretty low.
Not only is he no longer an ace, he's proven himself a dangerous ass. I wouldn't want a guy with his behavioral history anywhere near my clubhouse if I were a GM.
The article suggests Zambrano for Burnett and $15M. There's no way the Yankees pay that much for the privilege of this deal, as that would be essentially giving the Cubs Burnett for free in 2013. Without quite as much cash, it's intriguing. From FanGraphs:
xFIP last 3 years:
Burnett: 4.23, 4.49, 3.96
Zambrano: 4.27, 4.27, 4.12
SIERA last 3 years:
Burnett: 4.18, 4.37, 3.92
Zambrano: 4.25, 4.33, 4.31
Zambrano has 1 year, $18M left on his deal; Burnett has 2 years, $16.5M per. Cut the cash going to the Cubs in half to $7.5M, and trading headaches might make sense.
From Chicago's view, they will need to sign a free-agent pitcher in 2013 (or sooner) to replace Zambrano anyway. Burnett gives them a bird in the hand, and if the xFIP and SIERA numbers don't lie, he'll be better than most FA options available. They also drop $1.5M in salary next year by the swap, plus whatever cash they can extract from the Yankees in the deal. Put that together with some big expiring contracts - Ramirez ($14.6M), Pena ($10M), Grabow ($4.8M) - and that's $30.9M in salary off the books, most of which could go toward an Albert Pujols offer.
From the Yankees' view, they get rid of a guy who has become a piñata in the NY media, and get out from under a big contract for 2013, when their young arms should be ready to step in or be traded for a top veteran pitcher. That makes a big extension for Sabathia easier to stomach (pun intended). If NY needs more in the deal, they'd probably love to get a top lefty reliever. Sean Marshall ($3.1M in '12) might fit the bill and clear more salary for the Cubs, though the Cubs would hate to give him up.
No way I'd trade Burnett for Zambrano, as awful as AJ has been he's not a jerkass who has alienated half the roster and he's been healthy. If Zambrano were just "generic 30 year-old pitcher" with the same statistical history, sure , you'd at least consider it, but he's Carlos Zambrano.
We don't know that this is true. A couple of quotes by players does not constitute "alienated half the roster." In fact, Soriano's apparently reached out to Zambrano since his critical comments the other day.
Don't treat media reports so credulously, especially those coming out of Chicago.
It's stuff like this that makes me hope that Ryan Howard is Willie Stargell reincarnate.
I'd do it straight up, just to be rid of the extra year, and clear room for the young pitchers after next year (or whenever Zambrano melts down.)
You tell Zambrano this is your last chance. If he blows up again you put him on the restricted list, refuse to pay him, and let him file his grievance.
I'd like that trade. Move Zambrano to left field, and his 318/348/500 bat would be a huge upgrade on Wells.
As a Mets fan, I'm now greatly concerned.
EDIT: Forgot for a second that the Mets had him in the minors. Hopefully the major league level isn't the requirement for this.
on the other hand, i think his problems are mechanical as opposed to physical or mental, so i'm optimistic that the contract will just be a significant overpay, as opposed to an untradeable albatross.
A-Rod.
The answer is, no, I can't imagine anyone taking him. But he never occured to me.
No, but there's only 35 million or so on that after this season.
I would take that over A-Rod, Howard, Dunn or Werth any day. If he can still play a little like he has in the last few weeks, even better.
Don't look now, but Jeter's hitting .326/.380/.458 since returning from injury in the beginning of July.
Well we know Zambrano has physically fought with teammates, got himself suspended again in 2010 for screaming profanity at teammates and members of the media, and of course the most recent incident where he quits on the team. I wouldn't want to have anything to do with him, but you know what they say - every town has a drunk and a woman who thinks she can change him.
None of whom are presently on the team. And Michael Barrett was a bit of an ass, himself.
He is the most untradable Carlos, though if Silva hadn't gotten the early-season pink slip, it might be a little closer.
How much trouble has Barrett gotten into since leaving the Cubs? I vaguely remember he got into some shoving bouts with AJ Pierzynski during an interleague game but fighting with a guy on another team is different than fighting with your teammates, at least in my valuation.
I dunno, obviously my opinion is in a small minority here but Zambrano is the kind of player I'd think GMs would want to steer clear of given his history and temperament, even if he were playing for free.
Barrett's "shove"
That happened with the Cubs. Not just a shoving match. Barrett was blocking the plate waiting for the throw when AJ came into score, knocking over Barrett in the process. So far, so normal - the sort of play that happens to catchers all the time.
But in this case Barrett seemed to think it wasn't normal. He grabbed AJ, muttered to AJ something like "Don't do that - I didn't have the ball" and punched him in the face. Cue bench-clearing brawl.
Barrett and Zambrano both reminded me a lot of each other when they were with the Cubs - and that was a feeling I had before their fight. Both seemed to get angry and lash out in counterproductive ways. (No, I can't think of any other Barrett examples). Barrett wasn't a bad guy by any means, but his emotions hurt him sometimes.
Well, he's had very little opportunity for baseball-related trouble since leaving the Cubs.
"I didn't have the ball, #####."
That last word rhymes with pitch.
If Pete Rose could find a home then so could Jeter.
from Wells bbref page:
If Wells opted out, his agent would likely get the opt out voided on the grounds of mental incompetency.
104
129
85
122
86
125
69
hey he's due for a good year next year.
Given his pattern you can't really bet against him hitting for a 120 next year (and he'd still be wildly overpaid), but then again he'll be 33 and he has a career OPS+ of 106, and these odd/even year patterns tend to be just random flukes- he'll basically be a career 106 OPS+ hitter heading into his age 33 season- so what does that project to? A 100 OPS+ out of a corner OF getting paid $20m plus?
I know what the Jays were thinking when they signed that deal, that he was their cornerstone player and that his up years reflected his true talent level and his down- well he just had bad years... the contarct wa sbad, their reasoning was wishcasting - the Angels had no such excuse.
If Z is frustrated playing with the Cubs, I can't imagine the Astros will lighten his mood.
I bet the Patriots would take him.
University of Miami!
I'm sure they can find a booster to pay his full salary.
No kidding. AND they gave up their second-best hitter too! Ugh. That trade is going down as historically awful.
I'm scratching my head trying to think of the hitter left on the Angels better than Napoli. Who did you mean?
Tyler Chatwood is hitting .667.
Although it does suck that AA flipped him for Frank Francisco. WTF was that about?
This is really whiny. I mean, profanity? Quitting on the team when he's not in the game? Getting in a shoving match with a known face puncher?
BFD. And the "if he was a generic 30 year-old pitcher with the same stats..." arguments. If that were true, he'd be a generic HoVG pitcher, of course you'd want him. Even single franchise in MLB would want him.
He Pinkmanned him.
There's lots of profanity in baseball, but it's fairly unusual for a player to be suspended for it. Were the Cubs running a nunnery?
I think I just found my new desktop wallpaper.
Yeah, I figured that Hunter or Abreu were better in 2010 than Napoli. I didn't look up the numbers but Napoli wasn't a world beater last year - 2nd worst of his career after 2007 according to OPS+. I figured someone had to be better.
[looks up 2010 numbers]
Actually Hunter was better, but so was Hidecki Matsui! Completely forgot he was on the team last year! Abreu was a little better, but that was negligible. Using 2011 numbers, Napoli would be the best on the team - by .200 points of OPS. Ugh.
I think a correct reply would have been, "Then get out of the ####### baseline."
You know, just for the record, he was yelling to himself, not at anyone in particular, until Derrek Lee started yelling profanity (you could clearly read Lee's lips, he said to "shut the #### up") from the other end of the dugout. And Lee was generally regarded as a fine upstanding team leader even after that incident.
So, I'm not impressed with the charges against him there. Odd behavior, yes. Worse than the media-appointed team leader's? Not really. Two to tango, as they say. And either way, a recitation of his past incidents is no way to demonstrate that he's alienated half the team.
He's not even the most untradeable player on the Cubs.
EDIT: Cokes to all those so entitled.
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