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Sunday, March 31, 2013

Van Riper: Yankees Should Trade Robinson Cano And Mariano Rivera

(blows envelope) “Van Riper” (“Van Riper” echo) ~ ~ ~ “What is propped up on four cinder blocks on a Bronx dead end street?” (piped laughter)

As for Rivera, last season proved that the Yankees don’t particularly need him. With a deep stable of bullpen arms, holding leads after eight innings – Rivera’s only job – isn’t a big problem. And if the team doesn’t contend strongly, the extra one or two wins that Rivera gives them make no real difference anyway. But because most clubs continue to overvalue closers against all the evidence (95% of all ninth inning leads result in victories, rendering a top closer a marginal contributor), the Yanks could probably get a nice haul of young talent by dangling Rivera to a contender.

Conventional wisdom says this will never happen, because public relations rules dictate that Rivera must retire a Yankee. And his swansong season might be one of the few things that the club can market this year. Still, bad P.R. only lasts as long as it takes the club to reach its next World Series.  The Yankees recovered well enough from their unpopular trade of an aging Babe Ruth to Boston in 1935 by winning four straight World Series from 1936 to 1939.

Maybe the Yankees will surprise people by holding it together for another season. Maybe 40-ish pitchers Pettitte and Hiroki Kuroda will stay healthy and team with CC Sabathia to form a solid starting rotation. Maybe veterans like Ichiro Suzuki , Kevin Youkillis and Vernon Wells will be productive enough to help Cano lead a decent offense, keeping the club above water until the reinforcements arrive from the disabled list.

Most likely, though, the club is going nowhere. Even Granderson (32) and Teixeira (33), the relative babies of the roster, are slipping incrementally past their primes. Studies appearing in publications like Baseball Prospectus show that a typical major leaguer peaks between the ages of 26 and 29. The Yankees have essentially no key players in that category.  The club continues to force feed the model of perennial contention as it watches the core rot away. They still have a chance to reverse the trend – if they have the gumption to take a short-term hit.

Repoz Posted: March 31, 2013 at 02:41 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: March 31, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4400211)
"Conventional wisdom says this will never happen, because public relations rules dictate that Rivera must retire a Yankee."

No, it will never happen because Rivera has 10 and 5 no-trade rights and he has no interest in playing elsewhere in his final season under any circumstances. So the Yankees bave nothing to do with it; who cares what they want, even in the silly-to-picture event that they WANTED to do it?


   2. Swedish Chef Posted: March 31, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4400212)
Has there ever been a team that has done a white flag trade in April?
   3. Dale Sams Posted: March 31, 2013 at 03:10 PM (#4400215)
Has there ever been a team that has done a white flag trade in April?


Especially one who was in the ALCS the previous year. Also...yeah...I'm sure Rivera would approve that trade.
   4. DA Baracus Posted: March 31, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4400228)
No, it will never happen because Rivera has 10 and 5 no-trade rights and he has no interest in playing elsewhere in his final season under any circumstances. So the Yankees bave nothing to do with it; who cares what they want, even in the silly-to-picture event that they WANTED to do it?


No, don't you get it? Just Rivera more money and he'll waive his NTC!
   5. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: March 31, 2013 at 03:56 PM (#4400233)
Some articles are dumber than most.

This one is dumber than even those articles.
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: March 31, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4400240)

Rivera might be the best example in baseball of a guy who would not waive his trade rights.
Alfonso Soriano wouldn't waive them last year, either, but I wouldn't have laughed at you if you had speculated that enough money could make it happen. Maybe.

But Rivera, in April 2013? No chance.

   7. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 31, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4400244)
Holy crap, this isn't a fan blog?
   8. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 31, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4400247)
This is the Yankees' prospects:

Play around .500 for the first month and a half, Jeter and Granderson come back and hopefully Teixeira comes back, nobody else gets hurt, and they're in contention in September.

Or: they get off to a bad start, or the injured guys take too long to get back, or they suffer more injuries, or the injured guys aren't that productive, and they're not a good team, and never contend.

Why eliminate any possibility of the first thing before the season starts?
   9. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 31, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4400251)
Some articles are dumber than most.

This one is dumber than even those articles.


This article is dumber than 10 articles about Tommy Lasorda.
   10. Gamingboy Posted: March 31, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4400280)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh, this is a good joke.
   11. BochysFingers Posted: March 31, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4400287)
Forbes? Isn't that one of those "serious" magazines?
   12. bookbook Posted: March 31, 2013 at 05:57 PM (#4400293)
Steve Forbes, serious? In his own mind, maybe.
   13. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 31, 2013 at 06:13 PM (#4400298)
you mean teve torbes right?
   14. tfbg9 Posted: March 31, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4400309)
Van Riper also estimates Cano will eventually agree to a new "well over $100 million" contract that will extend to around his "40th birthday, give or take". That's great news for the Yankees! Robbie's gonna give them such a generous hometown discount, they'll be sure to stay in contention for years to come!
   15. Gotham Dave Posted: March 31, 2013 at 09:25 PM (#4400477)
Especially one who was in the ALCS the previous year.
The Yankees qualified for the ALCS; I don't know if it's quite fair to say they were in it.

Van Riper also estimates Cano will eventually agree to a new "well over $100 million" contract that will extend to around his "40th birthday, give or take".
It's good he specified that this ~11 year contract would be well over $100 million, given how many superstars are signing $9 million/year contracts these days.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 31, 2013 at 09:51 PM (#4400509)
I would think that if the Yankees are clearly non-competitive in July they owe it to Rivera to ask him if he wants to be traded.

He's 10-and-5 so it's obviously his decision. But, if he'd rather finish up on a contender, they owe that to him.
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: March 31, 2013 at 09:57 PM (#4400514)

And that's what would happen - I doubt Rivera would take the offer, but yeah. It's APRIL 2013 that is so preposterous.

   18. Robinson Cano Plate Like Home Posted: March 31, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4400517)
Dr. Evil says he'd sign Cano for $1 million.
   19. jdennis Posted: March 31, 2013 at 11:29 PM (#4400587)
i see no benefit in trading rivera whatsoever. he's only playing one more season, who cares?

cano they should have done this offseason if they were going to do a salary dump and/or get rid of him to maximize other pursuits. the rangers would probably have given him kinsler and a top prospect. they could have gotten any other 2b in the league, for cheaper, plus something else. or they could have gone straight up for a premium player with a similar contract at another position.
   20. jdennis Posted: March 31, 2013 at 11:36 PM (#4400589)
also, i don't like the make-it-so sentiment i'm seeing about players with the biggest contracts. they just say it will be a disappointment and repeat it ad nauseum as the player's career progresses. this one mentions pujols in that way. how has pujols failed yet? sure, last season wasn't quite as amazing as the previous years, but this season he might have totals right back at his high points for all we know. he might be as good as last year for the next decade. a-rod is more justified but i'd probably still pay him 10 mil a year and i fully expect him to make a good recovery from the injury. he may not get a chance because of off-the-field stuff but it's not like a-rod is a garbage player now.
   21. AROM Posted: April 01, 2013 at 07:48 AM (#4400648)
"Has there ever been a team that has done a white flag trade in April?"

As I look at this morning's BTF linked articles, my first question is "which ones are April fool's day articles?"

This is what I judge most likely.
2. Tejada makes Royals
3. NL will adopt the DH

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