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1. JoeHova Posted: September 27, 2007 at 06:46 PM (#2545664)I don't know, Harvey says he's pretty bad out there.
Rollins is gunning for the 40-20-30-40 club. Get your stupid gimmicky clubs right Mr. Vegas. He does lead the league in Runs by a wide margin, so he does have that going for him.
No, I agree with Joe. He's not spectacular, but he's not awful. Average sounds about right.
Just curious. Has anyone examined the "park effect" of Coors on middle infielders? The strongest one I recall is Eric Young. But there were others as well.
Doesn't that mostly (if not exclusively, of course, I don't know exactly who you're thinking of)apply to OFers?
But to clarify he is below average. He is not Frank Thomas bad or some such. And I discount anyone who relies on a metric for that assessment. Frankly, I have had my fill with these defensive metrics if only because the folks using them don't know what the h*ll they are talking about half the time.
Such as the individuals claiming that Ryan Braun is a net negative to Milwaukee because of his defense. As if the lad were Jim Ray Hart or some such nonsense..................
That's all well and good, but I expect all of these people to then turn around and support Jeff Francis for the Cy Young Award, and Manny Corpas for Fireman of the Year.
Well, I did mention this: The strongest one I recall is Eric Young.
Eric Young in 1997(?) had some pretty impressive totals and did anyone regard Eric as a great defensive second baseman?
Juan Uribe had a pretty mpressive defensive season by appearance in 2002. Does he wow folks in Chicago?
I'm just asking. Hasn't anyone else noticed this?
Yes. Juan Uribe has put up back-to-back OPS+'s of 74 with OBPs of .257 in 2006 and .281 in 2007. He still has a job on a major-league team, much less a starting spot, because he's a "wow" defender.
You did mention Eric Young, my reading comprehension today isn't so sharp.
Uribe IIRC, has wowed White Sox fans with his D. Neifi was another guy whose D translated from Coors. I don't really know enough about Eric Young.
Ok, I thought they were good. But if you look at the raw totals they look even better. So isn't that some kind of park effect? Because none of them have matched those numbers in other places.
Again, I thought someone might have done a study on this. As I find it interesting............
I agree that Troy is very good. I am trying ascertain whether the park isn't giving someone additional opportunities to be good.
If that makes any sense...........
A train wreck. Bobby Bonilla with one hand behind his back. It was shocking that anyone looked at that guy and said, "Third base".
But I am sure Steve Treder could explain the thinking. And who knows the level of impact Jim's drinking had on the situation.
In a just world, WPA would be consigned to the dustbin with creationism. And yet, like creationism, it endures...and even flourishes.
if i was running the brewers i would put weeks in center and bill hall at second. but as an astros fan i prefer things the way they are.
He'd make a perfect Orioles SS if they do trade Tejada. Right now he looks a lot like the guy they had before Tejada, Deivi Cruz.
"Jeepers, Vlad knocked in those runs in the NINTH inning! THAT MEANS THEY'RE....like SUPER DUPER SPECIAL AWESOME RUNS! Lets count them five times more than those silly meaningless runs back in the first."
-typical WPA adherent
why do I feel like Jack Chick?
Nope. If you listen to folks who use WARP or any means of including defensive metrics into the equation Troy's defense is so outstanding that he is deemed one of the best players in the NL.
This line is also funny for so many reasons....
109 OPS+
.278 EQA
.264 GPA
5th amongst NL SS's in RC (6th in RC/G)
BPro's defensive numbers are basically worthless.
If you deflate the defensive numbers the two players are basically even. And I accept that contention. So it's a coin flip for NL ROY depending on what the voter perceives as being more valuable. Offense or defense.
Prince unsurprisingly has zero range beyond where he happens to be standing when a ball is hit, but what's in his range he handles okay. I'm not horrified by him or anything--pretty standard issue first baseman in the modern era, by my accounting.
Agreed on all points. I just wish Prince could adjust on throws a tad better. That's a pretty valuable skill with the SCUD launchers at second and third...................
Allen was very quick with decent hands. He was more than adequate at third base until he hurt his arm and really couldn't make the throw across.
Hart was just all around bad. I cannot think of a single part of his defense where one could say that was "acceptable". Except that he was out there. He fulfilled the expectation that someone stand in the vicinity of third base.
This is the first MVP conversation I've ever seen in which Tulowitzki was included.
MGL has already done this, but he doesn't release the full listing of SLWTS to the public anymore.
It would almost be better if you just grouped players into different brackets of ability. Like strat-o-matic cards.
Adam Everett: +15 runs
Jose Reyes: +10 runs
JJ Hardy: +5 runs
Edgar Renteria: even
Felipe Lopez: -5 runs
Hanley Ramirez: -10 runs
You could use multiple years to determine which bracket your player fits into. I understand that it defeats the purpose of measuring one year's performance, and it smooths the outlying peaks or valleys that may have honestly occured and should be considered. But even the best fielding statistics give iffy and wacky results - iffy enough that they are often ignored. In my head, when I'm looking at VORP, I'll give a guy like Tulowitzki a +10 bonus for being a great fielder. And I think that those quick mental calculations might be more trustworthy than WIn Shares/SLWTS/WARP are.
Hello baby? Let me introduce you to the bathwater... bye bye to both of you.
A shame. I miss those bold, brilliant predictions, such as Jason Michaels being one of the 20 best players in the majors.
The most important part of SLWTS is the UZR, and MGL has published a full list twice this year - once at about 1/4 of the season and once at the allstar break. He also published complete UZR from 2003-2006. I'm hoping he gives us a season-ending list, stay tuned to The Book Blog to see if he does.
Anyone with a spreadsheet can calculate the hitting parts of SLWTS. The only thing you'd be missing is the little stuff, like baserunning, outfield arms, and double plays - and there are people who publish the data you'd need for that even if you're not a retrosheet wiz.
Harvey's asks an interesting question on Colorado infielders. This year STATS ZR has Tulo at +17, Kaz Matsui at +15, and Jamey Carroll +8 at 2b and +1 at short. Last year Barmes and Carroll did very well. Looking at historical zone ratings however, this is a new phenomenon. From 1993 to 2005, no Rockie MI had a zone rating better than +6. Neifi Perez was +6, +3, +3, +0 from 1998 to 2001. Uribe was +1 total from 2001-2003. Eric Young's ratings were between average and -7. I think the current guys just happen to be really good, and deserve a ton of credit for the team's surprising performance this year.
It'd be fun, if painful, to have a "bad fielder" compilation. Imagine 15 minutes straight of Ron Kittle in the outfield. I'd love to see Jim Ray's "lowlight" film.
And with Helton at first, the Rockies are one average third baseman away from having a historically good defensive infield.
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