Whether Roger Clemens, an early mentor to him, should be in the Hall of Fame: “No, he shouldn’t. I don’t believe any of those who cheated should get votes. You never know when they did and when they didn’t. I don’t know how much was real. That’s just me. I don’t think anybody who did it should get in.
“Wait, you said [for years] that you never did it? Now [you say] you did? It’s the Pete Rose defense. And you got caught the first time you did it? And how about when you [actually] started? That’s a whole other conversation. It’s just very black and white: They got caught doing it, they’re out. Unfortunately, some of my friends and teammates are on that list and it makes me disappointed they made that decision. It doesn’t make me like them less. Now, Barry Bonds? How can you even remotely consider that guy a nice guy?”
Giving steroid users a pass because not all users have been identified: “No. You can’t unlearn what you’ve learned.”
The advantages of steroids: “My biggest problem, and I’m so sick of hearing it from hitters or anybody else, is that steroids didn’t help you hit. That’s the most bald-faced lie ever. When I’m facing Barry Bonds Sept. 1 and Barry Bonds feels super fresh and I’m dragging ass, don’t tell me that. It was as much about being fresh and keeping your body fresh.
“Talk to [former NFL and MLB players] Deion Sanders and Brian Jordan. They’ll tell you the grind of a baseball is way harder [than football] because of the grind of the season. So yes, [a steroid regimen] did help you produce.”
The 2011 Red Sox: “It was clearly a group of kids that took a swift kick in the ass. What they did last year was embarrassing and shameful. I’m shocked that a good kid like Jon Lester got caught up in that. [Former manager] Terry [Francona] got fired for being the same guy he was years before that. I ran off at the mouth, but Terry will always tell you that I was as coachable as anybody. It was shocking that some people in this clubhouse allowed those stories to come out, but it was embarrassing, as if that wasn’t enough, that nobody had enough guts to stand up and say, ‘Enough!’”
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1. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: February 01, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4051032)He'll never become a Jedi with that attitude.
I find your lack of faith in Schilling disturbing.
Schilling, for much of his career, could at least play the part of informed blowhard. Now he seems willing to settle for uninformed blowhard. Both are irritating, but at least the former is acceptable. The latter... not so much.
How does this even slightly speak to whether or not the behavior qualifies as cheating? Giving you an aluminum bat against Verlander wouldn't help even a little bit. Does that make it fair if Pujols gets one?
So maybe he was dragging ass a bit. But if he's tired out in September, shouldn't he be comatose by October? Throwing in the playoffs, Curt had a combined ERA of 3.35 after September 1.
So much for him being at a disadvantage while the cheaters around him were fresh.
Same as he ever was.
To recover that quickly and pitch at such a high level after surgery, he MUST have taken some illegal PED. Prove that you didn't, Curt.
I guess steroids=amps=coffee, and Andy can stop worrying about them.
Just about everyone accepts that steroids improve hitting and, further, that their presence in the game drastically increased scoring. The bigger lie, it would seem, is that steroids don't help you pitch.
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for...
the only pitcher that steroids helped is roger clemens who by the way is the same kind of "jerk" that barry bonds is - same guy, different color
nobody cares about pitchers using because staying fresh isn't important to pitchers who don't hit enough home runs to matter anyhow
and nobody cares about the single season strikeout record
wonder why nobody wonders how nolan ryan managed to stay in such fantastic shape and throw a baseball 98 MPH into his late 40s. i mean, we ALL know he "worked out" but did it naturally, unlike jeff bagwell, right?
'Pear' is one of my fave shapes too.
Kind of like the NPD data will be for Kingdoms of Amalur.
Kind of like how he wanted to be a shut-it-down-lets-go-home closer? C'mon.
Boy, Curt really gets my goat.
I laughed.
brilliant!
Advil.
Because he wasn't. Ryan probably threw in the low to mid 90's as a Ranger. Too bad we didn't pitch f/x to record that. I do remember listening to a broadcast at the time and hearing that Ryan was only the 3rd hardest throwing Ranger, after Jeff Russell and Kevin Brown.
Also, he was in his early-to-mid-40's.
Of course, more than 800 innings at a 116 ERA+ from ages 42 to 46 does kind of suggest he took pretty good care of himself.
Throws 7th no-hitter.... goes and works out. Just like after every other start.
At the same time, I also wouldn't be shocked if no evidence of that ever turned up. Because, yeah, anyone who throws that many innings at that age, and still throws pretty hard -- I know mid-90s isn't Nolan Ryan, but there are a lot of guys who make the majors without ever hitting 95, much less doing so at age 46 -- is some kind of physical freak.
Just wondering...
Does that qualify as a qualify "like"?
Primey!
I find him entertaining and appreciate the candor. So many sports figures have such bland non-opinions about everything that Schilling is refreshing to read. Just skip over any political stuff if you aren't a Republican.
Everybody here loves Ozzie Guillen; what exactly is so different between him and Schilling? I think only the political stuff.
Technically, Avalon Hill still exists as an arm of Wizards of the Coast, a subsidiary of Hasbro.
Sox season did go pear shaped as well. There's something in this!
I must be a doofus, because others find it hysterical and I have no idea what it means. So someone translate.
There was the movie called Star Wars. Strangely, the first episode to be produced was Chapter Four - A New Hope. Near the start of the film, this line appears. To understand the rest, do yourself a favor and watch it.
By the way, if you make it to Chapter Six -- which was the third movie -- you might learn the origin of "It's a Trap!" -- Wow, I have not been able to do that one since BTF went to permanent login names.
Also, Schillings best years and highest K totals were not seen until he reached 30, an age most pitchers are in decline and losing velocity. If he were a power hitter some folks would speculate.
Just wondering...
I like Schilling for the same reason I like any player who says what he thinks and isn't cut from the same corporate cookie cutter mold. One Cal Ripken or Dale Murphy per team is fine and dandy, but a whole roster full of players like that would be insufferable. You need a mix of personalities and opinions to keep it interesting. AFAIC my only requirement is that they don't charge money for autographs and don't molest the batboys.
Impossible. Ryan told us steroids weren't around when he played.
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As to Star Wars, nothing against it - I just happen not to have seen any of the movies. (Same with Lord of the Rings; Star Trek; Harry Potter; etc.)
The basic story is that the subject matter doesn't appeal to me enough to have watched it.
But I'll watch any crappy Steven Seagal movie out there. So I don't claim any high ground as far as tastes go.
I wish the Bond movies appealed to me more; I've tried, but they just don't do it for me.
We're just taking it one day at a time, giving it all we got at 110 percent. I'd also like to thank my point man, Jesus Christ, for helping us get here.
The circle is now complete.
Let's just say one of my least favorite teams was the Texas Rangers during the Johnny Oates era, when one year 22 out of 25 players on the roster were BornAgains spouting mindnumbing cliches like that. I guess in a cowtown like Dallas that sort of thing doesn't grate on the fans, although in fairness I'm sure that some of those "BornAgains" were just playing along in order not to be proselytized by the true believers.
I like his honesty. When Schilling is asked something, you usually don't get back boilerplate media fodder. He actually tells you what he thinks and he seems like a pretty bright guy. I don't agree with his politics, simply because he doesn't know that much about politics, doesn't exhibit any special insight or thoughtfulness in that area, but of things baseball, I can't think of another player who can express himself so well and so honestly.
It doesn't bother me at all he speaks ill of other players, if what he says is the truth. It seems like he knows there will be some blowback and he's fine with it.
And I greatly admire the technical mastery and gamesmanship he displayed as an active player. The command he had of his fastball was astonishing.
It's an interesting read. Cashman also mentions Epstein called him in early 2003 one time and offered to trade him Shea Hillenbrand for Nick Johnson. Cashman says he just laughed.
I've always thought Schilling's description on his blog of his one hitter at Oakland was one of the best pieces of sportswriting I've ever seen a professional athlete produce. There was insight into what he was doing in terms of pitch selection, and why he was doing it, that you normally never see.
Also, I don't like Ozzie Guillen, at all. So there's one person.
Me neither, but the Daniel Craig reboot of Casino Royale is a good movie.
Mainly I've been watching the older Bond films.
As for Schilling's comments, he hasn't changed much. I have a soft spot for him because he at least seems authentic and because hey, 2004.
Impressive. Most impressive.
watch the Daniel Craig Bond, they aren't remotely James Bond movies, typical mindless action flick that should appeal to Seagal and Van Damme fans the world over.
Are you referring to The Gamers? Their Civil War Brigade system is one of my favorites.
That's the problem with the commentarial career that Schilling will inevitably embark upon. He'll be pretty great when talking about baseball, but no way will someone with Schilling's ego restrain himself from talking about everything else.
That's somehow possible? I'm not a huge fan of either title seperately (damn oblivion level system), but can this work?
that's pretty harsh.
So I assume if this does well, they will take the lore/universe and create an MMO like the game was originally supposed to be.
As long as you include steroids in 'things Schilling knows nothing about' then I agree with you. His steroid talks always seem to me to be canned answers, something he is expected to say, instead of a real answer with insight and actual honesty behind what he is saying.
It's the same feeling I get when listening to any politician talk. Just mindless party blathering. It's so ####### hard to tell what the person actually thinks.
Really? The two times it's been on TV that I have noticed the movie has been at the poker scene which is so god awful as to totally ruin the rest of the movie.
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