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Saturday, May 05, 2012

Verducci: No-hitters still exceptional, but they’ve tripled in last three years

The reasons for more no-hitters are the same reasons why offense in general is down:

• the emphasis on movement over velocity for pitchers (hence the popularity of the two-seamer and cutter)

• more advanced defensive positioning based on analytics

• more sophisticated scouting reports

• less familiarity hitters have with pitchers (because specialized bullpens and injuries have created the need for more pitchers than ever before; the smaller the batter-pitcher history, the more the pitcher gets an edge)

• the acceptance of strikeouts in the culture of hitting

• a demand for pitching that has encouraged youth players to concentrate on pitching over a position

• the intense training of youth pitchers (many of whom become “pitcher-only” designates at an early age)

• a small wave of pitcher-friendly new ballparks

• a first generation of players who are tested for performance-enhancing drugs and amphetamines, which has seen a drop in power and durability (more days of rest and DL days).

I said it after Humber’s perfect game and I’ll say it after Weaver’s no-hitter: get ready for more no-nos. At the rate we’re going these past three years, you can expect three or four more no-hitters before the season is over.

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Repoz Posted: May 05, 2012 at 09:13 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. TerpNats Posted: May 05, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4124041)
What is this, 1990?
   2. JJ1986 Posted: May 05, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4124061)
Most of the bullets apply to things ten years old or more. I would guess MLB did something to the ball.
   3. Pokey Reese's Pieces Posted: May 05, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4124077)
Isn't the bullet point about K-rate really the only one that is necessary? As mentioned above, a lot of these things have been going on for the better part of a decade. "Pitcher-friendly new ballparks" are mostly pitcher-friendly AFA home runs are concerned, right?
   4. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: May 05, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4124088)
"the acceptance of strikeouts in the culture of hitting".. that's some fancy footwork, Tom : )

   5. bobm Posted: May 05, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4124103)
The reasons for more no-hitters are the same reasons why offense in general is down:

How exactly are these two related?

No-hitters are outliers or extreme events. Extreme events are more frequent when there is more variability.

"Offense in general" seems more like a statement about the *average* level of offense rather than the *variability* in the level of offense.
   6. Bitter Calculus Instructor Posted: May 05, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4124129)
[5] When there are fewer hits on average, than you don't need as much variability to get to 0 hits.
   7. Tricky Dick Posted: May 05, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4124134)
the emphasis on movement over velocity for pitchers (hence the popularity of the two-seamer and cutter)


Is this even true? My impression is that high velocity pitchers are more prevalent now than 30 years ago. Pitchers have been sinking pitches forever. I think there was more emphasis on pitch to contact 30 or 40 years ago than now.
   8. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: May 05, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4124171)
I guess I'm missing something. The rate for the last three years doesn't seem that exceptional historically, unless you're comparing it against the outliers of the '80s and '00s. If there are three no-hitters a year for the next seven years, this decade isn't going to seem very different, is it?
   9. bobm Posted: May 05, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4124187)
[6] The average hits per game have dropped since 2000, but not massively.

2000 4,858 games 9.31 H/G
2011 4,858 games 8.70 H/G
2012.  782 games 8.46 H/G
   10. John DiFool2 Posted: May 05, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4124195)
Year BatAv BABIP
----------------
2011 .255 .295
2010 .257 .297
2009 .262 .299
2008 .264 .300
2007 .268 .303
2006 .269 .301
2005 .264 .295
2004 .266 .297
2003 .264 .294
2002 .261 .293

The recent drop in BA has been primarily strikeout-based. 20-30 years ago BABIP was lower by about 10 points (as compared to last 2 seasons), but averages were 5 points or so higher. If BABIP keeps dropping we could indeed see more no-no's (and another dead-ball era).
   11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4124201)
I guess I'm missing something. The rate for the last three years doesn't seem that exceptional historically, unless you're comparing it against the outliers of the '80s and '00s. If there are three no-hitters a year for the next seven years, this decade isn't going to seem very different, is it?

no hitters by decade:

1900s 20
1910s 29
1920s 9
1930s 8
1940s 13
1950s 18
1960s 34
1970s 31
1980s 13
1990s 31
2000s 10
2010-2012: 11

remember that starting in the 1960s, vastly greater numbers of games were played because of continued expansion, so the % of no-hitters per games pitched would be a better way to calculate the rate, but I'm too damn lazy to do all those calculations
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 05, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4124204)
I count 230 officially recognized no-hitters from 1900 to 2011, or just over two a season. With the increased number of games played these days, we ought to expect about three no-hitters a year.

Here are the numbers of no-hitters the past few years:

2011: 3
2010: 5 (not counting Halladay's in the postseason)
2009: 2
2008: 2
2007: 3
2006: 1
2005: 0
2004: 1
2003: 2
2002: 1
2001: 3
2000: 0

If no-hitters seem more common now, it's mostly because they dropped during the Sillyball era. Except for a bit of an outlier in 2010, we've been right around historical norms.
   13. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: May 05, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4124248)
If no-hitters seem more common now, it's mostly because they dropped during the Sillyball era. Except for a bit of an outlier in 2010, we've been right around historical norms.

That's what I was thinking. They're ahead of the pace so far, but if you look at the 'normal' decades, it's not that exceptional. Maybe I'm just missing Verducci's point.
   14. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4124268)
remember that starting in the 1960s, vastly greater numbers of games were played because of continued expansion, so the % of no-hitters per games pitched would be a better way to calculate the rate, but I'm too damn lazy to do all those calculations

all right, I did the bloody calculations

no hitters as a % of games:

1950s 0.15
1960s 0.19
1970s 0.17
1980s 0.06
1990s 0.14
2000s 0.04
2010-present: 0.21


so as stated above , the 80s and the 2000s are the outliers
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 05, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4124276)
2010-present: 0.21


Your tally in post 11 indicates that you're including Halladay's playoff no-hitter in here. Are you accounting for postseason games in the denominator of the overall percentage?
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4124277)
Your tally in post 11 indicates that you're including Halladay's playoff no-hitter in here. Are you accounting for postseason games in the denominator of the overall percentage?

oops--nope, so for regular season games it drops to 0.19

EDIT: and therefore the 50s drop to 0.14
   17. God Posted: May 05, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4124306)
The '80s line is the one that's really weird. What the hell happened there? To further muddy the waters, many of the star pitchers of the '80s actually ended up throwing no-hitters in the '90s -- Fernando, Dave Stewart, Gooden, Ryan x2...
   18. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4124318)
The '80s line is the one that's really weird. What the hell happened there? To further muddy the waters, many of the star pitchers of the '80s actually ended up throwing no-hitters in the '90s -- Fernando, Dave Stewart, Gooden, Ryan x2...

even weirder, is that 3 of those 13 were perfect games, while there were no perfect games in the 70s
   19. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4124345)
The 80s is weird. I suppose high-contact, good speed and astroturf would make 0 hits hard to pull off but those things were true in much of the 70s and 90s as well.

So I think it's just that the Reagan era was ####### boring and it took Michael Jordan to save civilization.

   20. Eric P. Posted: May 05, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4124358)
The '80s line is the one that's really weird. What the hell happened there? To further muddy the waters, many of the star pitchers of the '80s actually ended up throwing no-hitters in the '90s -- Fernando, Dave Stewart, Gooden, Ryan x2...


Dave Stieb, too.

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