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Saturday, January 22, 2011

Vernon Wells headed to Angels in Mike Napoli trade

WOW.

5:38 PM: We weren’t expecting that! Rosenthal reports that the Angels have traded Mike Napoli to the Blue Jays. No word on the return.  Giving up one of the team’s better bats makes some sense if you can get some good young Rays talent. The Jays system isn’t quite as stocked.  Here’s hoping for Angels fans that they’re getting some value back.

Man. You just never know.

UPDATE: If this trade didn’t surprise you already, this certainly will. According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, Vernon Wells is headed to the Blue Jays in the Mike Napoli trade. In a word, woah. More when we get it.

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   1. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:22 AM (#3734375)
####!
   2. BWV 1129 Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:25 AM (#3734379)
#### THIS BULLSHIT!!!!!
   3. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:31 AM (#3734384)
Complete crazyhouse move by the Angels. It's like Alex Rios II. I can't believe the Jays have been relieved of BOTH of those contracts.

And it's Gary Matthews II for the Angels. Didn't this used to be a smart organization?
   4. Tuque Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:31 AM (#3734385)
lol wut

edit: the Jays must be paying for some of that contract, right? Even if so, this still seems like a dumbass move.
   5. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:34 AM (#3734387)
Well, that didn't work.
   6. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:34 AM (#3734388)
My reaction to this news...
   7. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:37 AM (#3734389)
What the ####? Vernon Wells is a good player, but holy #### that seems like a bad deal unless the Jays are kicking in a ton of cash. The Angles really did hate Napoli.
   8. Paul D(uda) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:38 AM (#3734391)
Rivera also going to jays
   9. Shredder Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:40 AM (#3734392)
After all these years, Matt Welch finally gets what he wants.

Of course, the problem people are going to have is that they will evaluate this trade objectively. You can't do that with the Angels. You can't really evaluate Napoli's value per se. You have to evaluate his value to the Angels, which is minimal so long as they have Scioscia' wonderboy Jeff Mathis. So really, they got an aging slightly above average on occasion left fielder with a huge contract for pretty much nothing! Joy!
   10. The NeverEnding Torii (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:44 AM (#3734396)
My honest first reaction was: "I'm surprised they got that good a player for Napoli." Sure, Nap's a solid power-hitting guy and all, but he's a platoon guy. Wells is a solid player. It's just that Toronto gave the guy MVP money, when he should be getting solid #5-hitter money.

OK, Toronto's also getting Juan Rivera in the deal. Now I just hate everything.
   11. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:45 AM (#3734398)
4: Let's pretend that they are kicking in cash for the moment. How much would it have to be to make this an even deal? Cots has the following for Wells' contract:

2011:$23M
2012:$21M
2013:$21M
2014:$21M

Basically, that's a somewhat cheaper version of Carl Crawford's contract. For a guy who:

a) has 10 fewer WAR than Crawford in a year less than Crawford;
b) is incredibly inconsistent from year to year, unlike (putting it mildly) Crawford;
c) isn't really a good center fielder; and
d) is two and a half years older than Crawford.

I suppose Wells might not play center in LAA, but if he doesn't, the offensive bar just went up for him.

And hell, we thought the Crawford contract was too much money. Christ.

The only way this deal isn't complete insanity is if someone the Angels have figured out with 95% or better certainty that Wells has a) found the Fountain of Youth, and b) covered himself in enough Bautista superhero-pheromones to last the next four years.

Even if we assume that, production-wise, Wells = Napoli + Rivera (a dubious conclusion), the Jays would need to kick in around $20M to help even things out. And there's no way that MLB is going to allow a team to kick in that much money--AFAIK they never have before.
   12. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:48 AM (#3734404)
Sure, Nap's a solid power-hitting guy and all, but he's a platoon guy.


If you base that on only last year, sure. Not to mention that most guys hit better when they're penciled in as a regular.
   13. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:48 AM (#3734405)
The A's are not sorry to see the Angels trade Napoli. He destroys us.
   14. Matthew E Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:48 AM (#3734406)
To Angels fans: I know he's making a lot of money. Too much money. And I know that sometimes he has a good year and sometimes he has a bad year. And you may miss Napoli and/or Rivera. But Vernon Wells is one of the good guys. Please treat him right.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:57 AM (#3734412)
4: Let's pretend that they are kicking in cash for the moment. How much would it have to be to make this an even deal? Cots has the following for Wells' contract:

2011:$23M
2012:$21M
2013:$21M
2014:$21M


$50-55M? I don't think Wells is any better than Napoli. Let's call them equal. If Napoli averages $7M p.a. over the next 4 yrs., Toronto has to kick in at least $50M to even it out.

Of course, the problem people are going to have is that they will evaluate this trade objectively. You can't do that with the Angels. You can't really evaluate Napoli's value per se. You have to evaluate his value to the Angels, which is minimal so long as they have Scioscia' wonderboy Jeff Mathis.

Then a smart GM trades/cuts Mathis and doesn't give Scioscia the choice.
   16. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:57 AM (#3734414)
The Red Sox, conversely, are annoyed that they now have to face Napoli 17 times a year. And Wells sucked versus Boston.
   17. Spivey Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:57 AM (#3734415)
I guess it remains to be seen how much salary relief the Angels get, but good lord they should have just ponied up the extra money for Crawford or Beltre.
   18. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 02:59 AM (#3734416)
$50-55M? I don't think Wells is any better than Napoli. Let's call them equal. If Napoli averages $7M p.a. over the next 4 yrs., Toronto has to kick in at least $50M to even it out.


I suspect that Napoli will be worth more than that over the next four years. But you may well be right.
   19. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:00 AM (#3734417)
WTF?
   20. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:00 AM (#3734418)
I guess it remains to be seen how much salary relief the Angels get, but good lord they should have just ponied up the extra money for Crawford or Beltre.


This.
   21. hokieneer Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:01 AM (#3734420)
Now the Angels have the 2 most overrated defensive CFs of the past 10 years. Do either of them play CF for the Angels in 2011?
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:05 AM (#3734422)
I suspect that Napoli will be worth more than that over the next four years. But you may well be right.

Well, he's not a FA until 2013, and made $3.6M last year. He's playing below value for 2 of the 4 years.
   23. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:06 AM (#3734423)
I mentioned this in the other thread, but anyone want to lay odds Napoli gets flipped to Boston?
   24. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:11 AM (#3734424)
This seems like a move ordered by Artie Moreno. Much like most of the recent moves (see Kazmir and Haren)
   25. bond1 Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:12 AM (#3734425)
Forget Mathis behind the plate. Sciosia is counting on Hank Conger.
   26. villageidiom Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:14 AM (#3734426)
UPDATE: If this trade didn’t surprise you already, this certainly will. According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, Vernon Wells is headed to the Blue Jays in the Mike Napoli trade.
So, the Blue Jays get Mike Napoli in return for keeping Vernon Wells? That is surprising.
   27. OCD SS Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:19 AM (#3734427)
Twitter says that the Angels aren't getting any money.

I'll just stand over here and let that sink in.
   28. Boileryard Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:19 AM (#3734428)
Both Keith Law and Jon Morosi say there is no cash involved. Strictly players. Absolute steal for Jays.

Edit: A refreshing Coca-Cola beverage to OCD.
   29. Alex_Lewis Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:19 AM (#3734429)
As a Giants fan, this makes me a little ill. Could they have dumped Rowand for Rivera and Mike Napoli? Don't even have to play 'em. Cut 'em immediately, even. Don't care.
   30. McCoy Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:19 AM (#3734430)
Hell, the Cubs would have given you Soriano or Fukudome or both and the Angels wouldn't have had to give up anything in return. But hell the Cubs would have gladly taken a platoon partner for Pena and someone would give Soto a dayoff now and then.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:19 AM (#3734431)
I mentioned this in the other thread, but anyone want to lay odds Napoli gets flipped to Boston?

I doubt Toronto trades in division. Why give up Napoli? He's good.

Also, what does Boston have left on the farm that Toronto would want?
   32. Rough Carrigan Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:21 AM (#3734433)
Wow. First the Angels trade for Scott Kazmir just when it's become obvious that he's not the pitcher he was in 2006 and 2007 then they trade for Vernon freaking Wells!?!

Why is a big market team like the Angels trying to hit inside straights with guys like Kazmir and Wells?
   33. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:22 AM (#3734434)
I doubt Toronto trades in division. Why give up Napoli? He's good.

They have young catchers coming up and 6 million might be more than they want to pay for a DH/1B type. And do they really want to go into the season with Rajai Davis as their #1 CFer? I wouldn't give great odds on a trade but I think it's in the realm of possibility.
   34. OCD SS Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:22 AM (#3734435)
I've got to agree with Snapper, I doubt Napoli is going anywhere.

Why is a big market team like the Angels trying to hit inside straights with guys like Kazmir and Wells?


Because he'll make less over the life of the contract than Moreno paid for the team, and thus has an acceptable salary?
   35. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:24 AM (#3734439)
As a Giants fan, this makes me a little ill. Could they have dumped Rowand for Rivera and Mike Napoli? Don't even have to play 'em. Cut 'em immediately, even. Don't care.


Naw. Wells was actually good last year, you dreamer.
   36. VegasRobb Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:26 AM (#3734441)
Crazy trade. Had no idea that the Angels were under so much pressure to make a move.
   37. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:27 AM (#3734442)
Why is a big market team like the Angels trying to hit inside straights with guys like Kazmir and Wells?

Because they're being run by an owner who has about as much knowledge as the average fan and wants to win now. If I'm a GM who has a player with an albatross but name recognition, I'm calling up the Angels. Hell, they might even give you real players for the privilege of having that guy on their team.
   38. Kirby Kyle Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:28 AM (#3734444)
It's like Alex Rios II.

The White Sox took on Rios's remaining 5 years/$59M and gave up nothing. The Angels take on Wells's remaining 4 years/$86M and give up two players.
   39. Alex_Lewis Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:31 AM (#3734446)
Naw. Wells was actually good last year, you dreamer.


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   40. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:34 AM (#3734447)
Come on Alex:

1. It's good to be a dreamer!
2. World Series Champions
   41. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:37 AM (#3734450)
They have young catchers coming up and 6 million might be more than they want to pay for a DH/1B type.
But they're all prospects, and other than Arencibia they're not going to be ready for at least a year or two. In Napoli, you've got a known quantity — and a quality one at that — that you can fall back when Arencibia needs time off, or if he struggles so badly he ends up back in AAA.

Like the other Angel fans here, I find the trade sickening. Wells' contract could very possibly cripple any other moves the Angels might want to make for a long time.
   42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:37 AM (#3734451)
They have young catchers coming up and 6 million might be more than they want to pay for a DH/1B type. And do they really want to go into the season with Rajai Davis as their #1 CFer? I wouldn't give great odds on a trade but I think it's in the realm of possibility.

So, Ellsbury and what?
   43. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:39 AM (#3734452)
So, Ellsbury and what?

Adrian Gonzales?

Naw, I kid. Who is pencilled in CF for the Sawx this year anyway?
   44. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:40 AM (#3734453)
Shooty, since you seem to be active here, I heard today that your namesake (along with Bip Roberts) is going to MC next month's Multi-Ethnic Sports Hall of Fame induction ceremony in Oakland. Feb 25, I think it was. Rick Barry and Y.A. Tittle are going in, among others.

Anyway. What's going to happen to J.P. Arencibia now? This move doesn't really seem to make a ton of sense for either team, actually. Creates holes on both ends while covering up decent prospects. Bourjos is out a job now? Who plays center in Toronto? Maybe the logic is that you run Lind and Snider out there in the corners and tell them to keep a good eye on all the balls Raj Davis catches while OBP'ing under .300, with the plan that by getting so much rest in the field, their hitting will improve. Makes sense.
   45. 'Spos stares out the window, waits for spring Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:43 AM (#3734454)
As an Expos fan in Toronto, I'm ambivalent. Vern is a team player & a stand-up guy. Overpaid, but that's not his fault.
On the other hand JUAN RIVERA!!!!! AA is getting the band back together! Where's Bartolo? Oh wait...
   46. Famous Original Joe C Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:46 AM (#3734455)
Naw, I kid. Who is pencilled in CF for the Sawx this year anyway?

Ellsbury with a side of Mike Cameron.
   47. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:47 AM (#3734456)
Anyway. What's going to happen to J.P. Arencibia now? This move doesn't really seem to make a ton of sense for either team, actually. Creates holes on both ends while covering up decent prospects. Bourjos is out a job now? Who plays center in Toronto? Maybe the logic is that you run Lind and Snider out there in the corners and tell them to keep a good eye on all the balls Raj Davis catches while OBP'ing under .300, with the plan that by getting so much rest in the field, their hitting will improve. Makes sense.

JP's only 24, and last year was his first big offensive year since high-A. Another half year in AAA won't kill him. Mid-year you can dump Molina and have JPA and Napoli split time, while Napoli also gets pt at DH and 1B.

There should be enough ABs in RF/LF/1B/DH for Lind and Snider. No one's going to worry about Encarnacion losing ABs.
   48. J. Sosa Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:49 AM (#3734457)
I don't get the Angels at all. In their own way, they have to be one of the most frustrating teams to root for in all of baseball. With the Pirates or the Royals, they do have some serious disadvantages and sometimes do dumb things. But with the Angels it just seems like they insist on shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly for reasons known only to themselves.
   49. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:50 AM (#3734459)
Shooty, since you seem to be active here, I heard today that your namesake (along with Bip Roberts) is going to MC next month's Multi-Ethnic Sports Hall of Fame induction ceremony in Oakland. Feb 25, I think it was. Rick Barry and Y.A. Tittle are going in, among others.

I always suspected Rick Barry was black. I kid, of course, but it's good to see Hayward legend Shooty Babbit doing well.
   50. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:52 AM (#3734461)
I don't get the Angels at all. In their own way, they have to be one of the most frustrating teams to root for in all of baseball. With the Pirates or the Royals, they do have some serious disadvantages and sometimes do dumb things. But with the Angels it just seems like they insist on shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly for reasons known only to themselves.

When did this start? Oct, 2010?

Because they had a hell of a run the previous 8 or 9 years.
   51. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:53 AM (#3734463)
Its like the Angels had money earmarked for Carl Crawford and were hellbent on spending it one way or another.
   52. Boileryard Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:53 AM (#3734464)
I suspect that Edwin Encarnacion's role will be affected more than J.P. Arencibia's. Encarnacion was slated to be the DH/1B (playing whatever position Adam Lind isn't on that particular day). Napoli seems to make Encarnacion redundant.
   53. 'Spos stares out the window, waits for spring Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:54 AM (#3734465)
Gamingboy in the Manny/Damon thread:
Now they just need to coax Pedro out of retirement, then they can start making jokes about getting the band back together!
   54. Matthew E Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:55 AM (#3734466)
Mid-year you can dump Molina and have JPA and Napoli split time


Mid-year! I wouldn't be able to wait that long. If I was Anthopoulos I would have already dispatched a pair of assassins to Molina's home.
   55. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:56 AM (#3734467)
Mid-year! I wouldn't be able to wait that long. If I was Anthopoulos I would have already dispatched a pair of assassins to Molina's home.

Given Molina's speed, one assassin should do. They're working on a budget, you know.
   56. 'Spos stares out the window, waits for spring Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:56 AM (#3734468)
If I was Anthopoulos I would have already dispatched a pair of assassins to Molina's home.

He may have already traded him...
   57. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 03:58 AM (#3734471)
Like the other Angel fans here, I find the trade sickening. Wells' contract could very possibly cripple any other moves the Angels might want to make for a long time.


Yes. This team just got worse with this trade. Conger is not a plus offensive player, not by a long shot and he'll likely never be the plus player than Napoli was. Rivera isn't good, but he is similar to Wells in that he has good years and bad years. Difference is that he does it for 1/5 the cost and is a FA after 2011.

Now the Halos have Wells penciled in for 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014(!) to the tune of $20+ million per year? That is the money you could have dangled in front of Albert Pujols - or any other true superstar. This is maddening.

Lastly, before I commence drinking large quantities of rum so that I might forget this abysmal trade, why don't you just go over budget and give Beltre what he's asking for if you are fine with spending this kind of scratch? Beltre gives GG caliber defense, some positive offensive value AND they can keep Napoli as a 2/3 time catcher/occasional platoon DH and Rivera as a platoon LF'er and RH bat off the bench....

This is the worst possible return for a Mike Napoli trade - old, expensive players.

Reagins, Scioscia and Arte really screwed the pooch here - something they have been doing a lot of lately.

Yuk.
   58. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:02 AM (#3734474)
AA should have offered to throw in $30M if the Angels included Mike Trout.

Given the bender Reagins and Moreno must be on, they might have gone for it.
   59. 'Spos stares out the window, waits for spring Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:04 AM (#3734475)
...old, expensive players

He's not that old..
   60. RJ in TO Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:06 AM (#3734476)
AA is unbelievable. It is absolutely stunning that the Jays aren't throwing in enormous piles of cash on this deal.
   61. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:06 AM (#3734477)
He may have already traded him...


Probably to the Halos for Kendry Morales. Stop it with the one-sided trades, please!
   62. 'Spos stares out the window, waits for spring Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:12 AM (#3734478)
[deleted, drunk]
   63. J. Sosa Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:12 AM (#3734479)
re #50:

This deal reminded me of the GMJ signing. What I'm saying is, they are a big market team that seems from time to time to be determined to spend money, but not quite enough money to get a good to great player. That's just me, maybe Angels fans love the front office.
   64. Swedish Chef Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:14 AM (#3734480)
AA should have offered to throw in $30M if the Angels included Mike Trout.

Given the bender Reagins and Moreno must be on, they might have gone for it.


No way, they would just get angry at the insinuation that they are cheap and not willing to splash the cash.

If they were offered a quality player like Overbay on the other hand....
   65. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:15 AM (#3734482)
[deleted, drunk]

Primey!
   66. Walt Davis Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:17 AM (#3734483)
The only defense I can offer of the Angels is ... I thought the Hunter contract was a bad idea but has worked out so far so maybe they're confident Wells will too. I assume it's Wells in LF, Bourjos in CF, Hunter in RF and Abreu at DH ... I guess this gives them some kind of cover if Bourjos puts up a 42 OPS+ or something.

Good lord, they still owe GMjr $11 M in 2011. And they still have arb contracts coming for Weaver, Aybar, Kendrick and Morales.
   67. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:17 AM (#3734484)
Conger is not a plus offensive player, not by a long shot
He'll be 23 next year and already projects as about big league average with the bat, for a catcher. His defense is bad, sure, but he's got a pretty chance to be a good hitting catcher at peak.
   68. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:18 AM (#3734485)
If they were offered a quality player like Overbay on the other hand....

Unfortunately the big spending Pirates snatched him up. Would they settle for Encarnacion?
   69. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:20 AM (#3734486)
Some of the downside about Napoli:

1. He's not exactly young himself; he's 29.
2. Last year was the first time he played a full schedule (granting that half of it was at 1B) - and he fell off badly in August and September.
3. He's had a fairly extreme platoon split the last two years.

Wells isn't that old, either - he's 32.

Leaving the money aside, I don't see this as heavily lopsided in Toronto's favor at all.

-- MWE
   70. RJ in TO Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:22 AM (#3734487)
Leaving the money aside, I don't see this as heavily lopsided in Toronto's favor at all.

That's an awfully big thing to leave aside.
   71. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:23 AM (#3734488)
Leaving the money aside, I don't see this as heavily lopsided in Toronto's favor at all.

Mike, that's about the same as asking "Besides that how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?"
   72. Swedish Chef Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:24 AM (#3734489)
Leaving the money aside

That's hard to do when one player is due the GDP of a small African country.
   73. BWV 1129 Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:26 AM (#3734492)
Napoli always goes through one humongous slump per season. His falling off in August and September was in character, though often the slump is in July.

I stand by post 2.
   74. John Northey Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:29 AM (#3734495)
So, what the heck does the Jays GM do for an encore? Does he go get Pujols for Encarnacion? Longoria for Scott Richmond? I mean, c'mon, getting rid of the most expensive years of Wells deal ($86 mil) while getting a catcher who has a lifetime 118 OPS+, and a 106 OPS+ outfielder. FYI: Wells lifetime OPS+ is just 108.

Just un-freaking-believable. Alex Anthopolos must have photos of the Angels GM with a sheep or something. He just must. As a Jays fan I just hope he has more like it of the other GM's.
   75. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:32 AM (#3734498)
Leaving the money aside, I don't see this as heavily lopsided in Toronto's favor at all.
I'm not sure that these three guys in the deal put together is worth $86 million of the next four years. I like Vernon Wells and all, but... c'mon.

Initial word is that Wells will be in left. With Bourgos in CF and Hunter in RF, that's a pretty nice defensive outfield.
   76. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:34 AM (#3734500)
Money aside, I'd rather have Napoli than Wells, given the position differential.
   77.     Hey Gurl Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:35 AM (#3734501)
Leaving the money aside


I see no reason why you would do that.

Wells is a Yankee by 2013
   78. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:41 AM (#3734503)
So, what the heck does the Jays GM do for an encore?

Bautista for Longoria?
   79. Kirby Kyle Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:42 AM (#3734504)
Here's what AA did with the catcher slot this offseason:

Let John Buck sign elsewhere, received sandwich pick (#44 overall).
Traded PTBNL for Miguel Olivo, let him sign elsewhere, received sandwich pick (#51 overall).
Traded for Mike Napoli, incidentally ridding his team of an $86M contract.
   80. Sheer Tim Foli Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:43 AM (#3734505)
AA is making it fun to be a Jays fan
   81. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:45 AM (#3734507)
Wells is a Yankee by 2013

No one's bailing LAA out of this one.
   82. RJ in TO Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:46 AM (#3734508)
Suddenly, the Rajai Davis move makes more sense.
   83. OCD SS Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:47 AM (#3734509)
That's hard to do when one player is due the GDP of a small African country.


Twitter now says the Jays are sending $5M.

So, you know, it's all good.
   84. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:47 AM (#3734510)
AA is making it fun to be a Jays fan

I bet. You've got to have the guts of a burglar to pull this one off.

I mean if I was the Toronto GM and Reagins called to offer Napoli for Wells, I would have fallen all over myself to send $30M to get the deal done.

To hold out for no money changing hands is freaking brilliant.

AA should have to wear a mask and carry a gun to work for the next month.
   85. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:48 AM (#3734511)
Twitter now says the Jays are sending $5M.

So, you know, it's all good.


Did Reagins not even ask for AA to eat substantial salary? I can't believe that Toronto wouldn't have eaten half the contract to get this deal done.
   86. OCD SS Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:49 AM (#3734512)
No one's bailing LAA out of this one.


Well, there's always the chance that Vernon exercises his opt out clause after this season.






*snicker*
   87. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 04:51 AM (#3734514)
Well, there's always the chance that Vernon exercises his opt out clause after this season.


Well I guess we could have hyper-inflation; the Fed is printing a lot of money.
   88. Boileryard Posted: January 22, 2011 at 05:07 AM (#3734523)
Apparently Reagins has now said that no cash was involved.
   89. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 05:12 AM (#3734527)
Twitter now says the Jays are sending $5M.


That seems almost worse. Like the Angels acknowledge he is overpaid, but have no idea how much he is overpaid.

Rany tweeted:

evidently there is no such thing as an untradeable contract (TINSTAAUC).


So there's hope yet Mets fans!
   90. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: January 22, 2011 at 05:17 AM (#3734531)
Apparently Reagins has now said that no cash was involved.


Take it to the Dykstra thread.
   91. WayneG Posted: January 22, 2011 at 05:32 AM (#3734536)
Somewhere out there, JP Ricciardi is, well, hopefully hanging his head in f'n shame.

In honor of JP's whining about being stuck with oppressive contracts when he came on, AA should have a brief statement along the lines of 'this loudmouth cried about salaries yet left me with this live grenade to deal with. Difference is that I actually did something about it. That's how it's done, clown.'
   92. Textbook Editor Posted: January 22, 2011 at 05:55 AM (#3734541)
Well... I am sad my white whale wound up in Toronto instead of Boston, but I have to think Ellsbury straight up for Napoli... even with Ellsbury coming off of a injury-plagued season... would have been a better return than 4 years/$86 million for Vernon Wells.

This trade alone should make AA a king in Toronto.
   93. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 06:01 AM (#3734545)
What kind of numbers would Wells have to put up over the life of this contract to justify it? A 130 OPS+?
   94. Shredder Posted: January 22, 2011 at 06:02 AM (#3734546)
The funny thing is that Vernon Wells probably goes to a worse team on paper, yet increased his chances of reaching the post-season.
   95. PreservedFish Posted: January 22, 2011 at 06:06 AM (#3734550)
I think the funny thing is that the Angels traded a good player for Vernon Wells.
   96. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 06:08 AM (#3734551)
I have to think Ellsbury straight up for Napoli... even with Ellsbury coming off of a injury-plagued season... would have been a better return than 4 years/$86 million for Vernon Wells.


Remember when everybody on here was kvetching about how there's no way the Red Sox could get Napoli for anything resembling just Ellsbury or the equivalent? And before that, people scoffed when Red Sox fans suggested that they could get Adrian Gonzalez for players not too far from what the team actually gave up?

I need a bigger oven than mine for all the crow pie I'm having to bake.
   97. Shredder Posted: January 22, 2011 at 06:09 AM (#3734552)
I think the funny thing is that the Angels traded a good player for Vernon Wells.
The Angels have been making awful trades for years. Why should it start being funny now? I think the last good trade they made was Kimera Bartee for Chone Figgins. Hell, that might be the only good trade they've made in the last 25 years.
   98. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 22, 2011 at 06:14 AM (#3734555)
Two teams in the AL East got considerably stronger today, and neither of those teams are the Red Sox or Yankees.
   99. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 22, 2011 at 06:24 AM (#3734557)
Two teams in the AL East got considerably stronger today, and neither of those teams are the Red Sox or Yankees.


Meh. It's not like Manny or Damon are really all that at this point (especially Damon). And CF in Toronto is now going to be manned by Rajai Davis. He might make fans wish for Wells back.
   100. Boileryard Posted: January 22, 2011 at 06:24 AM (#3734558)
A question for the folks here:

The Werth signing probably remains the craziest move of the offseason, but how far behind is this trade?
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