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Are people of Portuguese descent not Hispanic? Did I miss something?
The majority of Hispanics in the USA are white. From Wikipedia:
It is funny to see someone embracing the pro wrestling heel persona.
Mark Teixeira still sucks.
The Department of Transportation has an official position on the race of First Ladies?
Padilla is going to have a lot to say to Teixeira when he gets to step 9.
I don't know if they've reached the 2001 level yet for unlikability (Carl's final season, Duke and Jimy's four-year battle comes to an end, Kerrigan the Skipper), but it's fast approaching.
Wonder how the pink-hat Bosox army feels about Padilla now, or have they already switched their attention to Patriots training camp?
And wouldn't you love to see Padilla play for Ozzie Guillen?
I would wager they're largely unaware of him. He's a middle reliever who's not personally likable, but not such a famous villain as to be noticed for that either. In pink-hat thinking, he's "the pen" in the statement "Bobby needs to get the pen up, cause that no-name lefty doesn't have it today"*
*Not that this is an incorrect statement on the baseball merits lately.
I would love to see Sheiky Baby make Padilla humble.
Unless Teixeira grew up speaking Spanish at home, no Hispano is going to perceive him as Hispanic, any more than Italian-Americans would perceive him as Italian. East-coast Portuguese-Americans (a substantial group in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New Jersey; Teixeira is from Maryland) are distinctly neither Hispano nor Latin American, whatever the technicalities of demographic categories.
As for Padilla, Wiki says that he once tested positive for swine flu - so that's his excuse for the misogyny!
So for Anglophones, Portuguese-speaking people are Hispanic, but for Hispanophones they are not? Interesting.
He was discussing Latin America and said it encompassed anything in the Americas south of the Mexican border, and also included Caribbean islands settled by the Spanish. I asked if it included Suriname. He said no, that Suriname is not part of Latin America because it was settled by English and Dutch protestants who had no ties to Rome, the Catholic Church, or the Romance family of languages.
So I asked if Quebec was part of Latin America, as it was settled by French Catholics. He got very angry with me for being a wise guy, but it was an honest question.
My takeaway from that conversation was that Latin America is everything south of the Mexican border (except Suriname), Spanish-speaking Caribbean Islands, and absolutely not Quebec. We didn't get into Guyana or Belize.
Interesting. Some (most?) of the English-speaking Carribbean islands were originally settled by the Spanish and have large Catholic populations. Trinidad is a good example.
And what about Haiti?
Now obviously, Padilla being widely hated it most likely true and there's some personal history there but it's from four years ago, why bring it up now? Seems like a pretty needless and petty move by Teix...
Also, as irredeemable a person as Padilla may be, I have a hard time letting that color how I feel about the Sox generally (as some have above). He's a pretty effective, sweaty, eephus throwing, fat, nut case! I probably wouldn't want to get a beer with the guy (probably true of 95% of major leaguers) but I'm thoroughly enjoying watching the Padilla-era.
Two things occur to me: one, Padilla seems deranged, so his own mental map of the universe may not be very nuanced :)
But two: sure, a lot of ingroup/outgroup distinctions work this way, depending on distance. For Yankees, Texans are Southerners. For Southerners, they are not. And for Latin Americans, Texans are Yankees.
I completely agree. And I can't help but notice that there's a lot more condemnation for Padilla for tossing an unorginal and juvenile salvo at Teixeira than for him trying to imply that women's sports aren't composed of athletes/competitors.
If you want to get deep into a baffling world, ask an immigrant from the Azores if he's Portuguese.
Anyone else see the movie "Bernie", directed by Richard Linklater? There is a pretty great scene which shows a map of a Texas divided up into five different states. Not sure it answers the question, but it's fun.
MCoA, since I was quoted here, I just want to respond: So do I. It's obviously sexist, but also I suspect an incorrect stereotype.
I had the unusual fortune to get to a game in Fenway earlier this year for the first time since 2006. Unfortunately, it was the bleachers, where a lot of the crowd was more interested in the scene than the game, to the point of actually making it a little less convenient for me to appreciate the game. No need to go into all of those well-trodden complaints.
Anyway, I noticed that there was exactly one person within earshot of my seat wearing a pink hat. She was a pleasant-seeming youngish female adult, who was one of relatively few non-jackasses who was actually watching (and talking about!) the baseball in front of her.
It proves nothing (one game, one person's view), but it was nice to see.
So the next time I fill out a census form I can claim that I'm African-American and I won't be breaking any kind of laws?
The whole "what is the South" question is interesting and endlessly debatable. As a Southerner I feel that some of Texas is definitely Southern, some definitely isn't, and the rest is somewhere in between. That map from Bernie is pretty good, IMHO.
More generally, John Shelton Reed's essay on the definition of the South is almost twenty years old now, but it's still an excellent approach to the question. It gets at the fact that there are degrees of Southerness -- much of Missouri has a heavy Southern flavor, but Missouri isn't the South, things like that. If you don't want to read the whole thing, his personal conclusion is this:
"[The South] includes the eleven former Confederate States, minus all of Texas but the eastern edge. It also includes Kentucky, which had a wishful star in the Rebel flag, but not Missouri, which did too. A corner of Oklahoma makes it in as well: we get Muskogee."
Back in 1991 the all-knowing Cecil Adams put it like this: "You can look like Snow White and talk like George Plimpton, but if you want to be a Fiji Islander, by God you're a Fiji Islander as far as the census is concerned."
The Department of Transportation has an official position on the race of First Ladies?
Somebody's been at the Trucker's Delight.
This definition gets at part of the ambivalent status of Texas. When the state seceded in 1861, the secessionist population was almost entirely in East Texas, and consisted of whites who'd moved there largely from Tennessee and Alabama/Mississippi. (The different dialects brought to Texas account for its weird linguistic map, too, as there are Texan accents that sound Appalachian and others that sound deep-South, and they are mixed throughout.)
Meanwhile, other areas of white settlement in the 1860s, like the Hill Country and what's now "Texoma," were Unionist and had no strong Southern connections. And other areas had Mexican or Indian majorities and were barely concerned with the War at all. The Rio Grande Valley was never meaningfully part of the "South" and isn't today. Nor is El Paso.
A huge number of people in Texas today moved here from somewhere else within the last generation, often the Midwest or Northeast. Suburban kids from Houston and DFW speak in "airport" accents that sound just like the same kids from suburbs anywhere. Austin is not recognizable as Southern; it's one of the greenest-blue cities in the US. My son was born in Dallas, lives in Austin, and his native accent is that of the TV set.
So to answer Mayor Blomberg's question, it's very complicated. I don't know of many Texans who think of themselves as Southern unless they have recent ancestors from Louisiana or Mississippi or Alabama, and/or strong roots in the East Texas. And even prominent East Texans (Nolan Ryan is a good example) may identify more with West or South Texas cattle culture than with the Southern roots of their own ancestors.
I'll second a data point for that. My college friend and roommate is Portuguese-born, Westchester County NY-raised, and he's never thought of himself as Hispanic or Latin in the slightest.
The obvious (but excellent) comp. I was telling my wife at a game last week that Padilla is Tavarez' ideological successor. I'd venture that Tavarez was crazier but Padilla more enjoyably so. They're both ugly, too. I told her Tavarez was the ugliest major leaguer and she countered with Randy Johnson... that's tough.
Also, there's an extra "i" in his name.
True Texeira gets almost no hatred.
And also he's on the Yankees.
Padilla is certainly insane, and it wouldn't surprise me if were eventually kicked off the team for doing something awful, or just generally being a crazy dick. I think Aceves is probably halfway there too, although people seem to be able to tolerate him more than Padilla.
Always good to see MCoA bring back the "RICH PEOPLE BAD! POOR PEOPLE GOOD!" routine.
Hating Teixeira because he's corporate is about as pathetic as hating Curtis Granderson for being black. Teixeira hasn't done a damn thing wrong in life - hell, even if you're of the "RICH PEOPLE BAD" school of thought, the donation they mention in the article - $1 million to Harlem RBI - is a significant donation even for a guy who makes that much money (and FWIW, my fiance works in fundraising, so that's not a POOMA assertion). Aside from a reflexive and irrational hatred of a certain type of person - no more or less crazy than hating jews or blacks or gays or whathaveyou - there's really nothing there to hate.
Come on. This is all in fun.
Feels weird to say, but I feel the same way. I like Swisher, Granderson, Sabathia, Nova, Hughes, Rivera, and am at worst lukewarm about most of the rest of them. I think Cervelli might have been the last Yankee that I personally really didn't care for. I must be softening in my old age.
Two words: Jonathan Papelbon.
Of course not--you're a blonde-haired, blue-eyed descendant of the Boers, right?
I gotta disagree. 65 is a bit over the top.
I have always liked Jeter, and Granderson, and Chavez, and even Andruw Jones, that big tub of goo. I don't know if I'd pursue Cano or Gardner or Pettitte for their autographs, but I have a lot of respect for them; they're good pro ballplayers. A few years ago the Yankees were seriously unlikable; they have turned it around, I think.
And the overreaction of the day actually didn't occur in the political thread.
Come on. This is all in fun.
It's zop, politics, and the Yankees. Overreaction is the norm.
Actually, Joe Girardi (IMO) deserves the lion's share of credit for getting great performances from Andruw, Chavez, and Ibanez. Combine that with the way he coaxes great numbers from his bullpens and I think he's the perfect manager for this type of team.
A friend of mine is a white Zimbabwean and when he fills out forms which ask for ethnicity/race he gets some very odd looks when he writes "African". Also the Spaniards I know would get quite vexed if they were to be labeled as "Hispanic", particularly in America.
Come on. This is all in fun.
It's nasty, pernicious stuff, and you've said plenty of things in political threads that suggest that you really believe that the rich are evil. It's no different, really, than Padilla equating weakness with being a woman. A common joke, all in fun, but still, shitty.
a) I don't think this is true.
b) Largely, being rich is a conscious choice. Being a woman is not.
Jones is awesome, he's having a great run of quality 4th OFer seasons. He's going to get to 500 15-20 HRs a season with 250 AB seasons. I love that he has 11 HRs and 4 doubles. I think Girardi has let Ibanez get a few too many ABs, but that's nitpicking. It's really nice seeing Chavez driving the ball again. He wasn't doing that last year, I think he's getting healthier with part time play. It would be great if he could keep playing at this level as a part timer for a few years.
Jayson Nix is doing surprisingly well too, although a lot of that has to do with what is likely unsustainable pop. They really need a utility guy that can play backup SS though.
Yeah, that was a really nice job by Girardi. I don't want to give Girardi too much credit for understanding how to platoon guys, because I'm not sure how well others do it. BUT since Joe Torre was seemingly completely unfamiliar with the concept at the end of his tenure (and pinch hit Ruben Sierra, of all people, regardless of who was pitching), it is really cool to have a manager that gets it and maximizes bench production. Such a dramatic improvement from the previous schmuck.
My daughter now works in the industry (with the Phillies), and the prevalence of sentiments like Padilla's could get in the way of advancement in her chosen career.
If MLB is actively trying to market to women (as the NFL is), they should publicly slap the Nicaraguan Cro-Magnon as hard as they did John Rocker.
And my daughter played volleyball, softball and rowed crew in high school - so if it is necessary, she could kick Vincente's butt!
In fairness, if Gardner hadn't gotten hurt Ibanez almost certainly wouldn't have nearly as many ABs.
Hey hey hey, let's not go overboard here. Nobody said 'likeable.' Just harder to hate.
But also, yes.
That's interesting I've never meet a Texan who didn't insist that they were not part of the South, but that they were Texas, as it's own region. I have only been to San Antonio,Dallas, El Paso and Houston so that's only 4 of the Texas states :).
The qoure clearly shows he has never played with women or watched women's sports because at least in my experience we get vicious.
Never met a black Texan, eh?
raise her a Kent Tekulve and hope she doesn't reraise with Don Mossi
A starter who can play SS would be nice, too.
Willie McGee
Me, I'd give more credit to Andruw and Chavez; and what Ibanez Great Performance are you talking about -- unless he's the Fourth Tenor.
Hmmmmm..... now that you mentioned it ... I don't know that I have.
There's bbc.
Or, according to a different reading, 'zop is acknowledging that getting rich is basically a matter of luck.
Yes but we've never meet.
Except for being totally different, yes.
Um, of course it is, at least substantially so. It's not something that you can put precise percentages on, but surely luck is a necessary condition to being rich. You either need to be born to a rich family - manifestly, a matter of luck - or born with extraordinary talents - luck - or benefit from unlikely and, well, lucky circumtances - luck.
Put differently, the reason Mark Teixeira is Mark Teixeira is that he was born with hand-eye and reflexes in the top .001% of the population. He was lucky. Now, there are probably many guys with similar natural talent that didn't work as hard as Teixeira - and that's the non-luck aspect.
No different in non-athletic fields, either. Luck is a necessary prerequisite to being rich or successful in any field, be it as a banker, a professor, an artist - anything. You need skill/effort as well, but if you're not lucky, all the effort in the world isn't worth a damn.
Isn't that obvious?
Of course when Zimbabwe was Southern Rhodesia, those same people called themselves "Europeans". I wonder if that same white Zimbabwean would've made sure not to get onto this chair lift.
As often articulated when it has to be explained, the expression "pink hat" describes people whose fandom is a fashion choice. At least with a "bandwagoner" or a "fair-weather fan" it's clear they're paying attention, just paying more attention when the team is doing well and less attention otherwise. A "pink hat" is paying attention when everyone else is, and even then isn't paying much attention. It's less important to be a fan, and more important to associate oneself with what is popular.
I don't use the phrase because I think it is so often mis-associated with females. Call 'em "plaid hats" or "sticker hats" or whatever instead*, and the point is still made without the gender association. But I know what is meant by "pink hat", and when someone says it that's how I take it. But I'm not female, and I don't wear a pink hat, so YMMV.
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