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Video: Cespedes’ outstanding throw home | MLB.com

That’s a crazy good throw!

Jim Furtado Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:47 AM | 62 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:52 AM (#4723131)
Holy #### that's a throw. Nice play by Norris to hold onto it. That's a ball that could easily pop out of the mitt when Kendrick slides into him.
   2. Publius Publicola Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:58 AM (#4723133)
Great deke by Cespedes, pretending to have made an error when all along he wanted to throw him out at the plate.
   3. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:48 AM (#4723175)
Yeesh. Parker-esque.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4723181)
I love a great outfield throw. Bo getting Harold Reynolds and Ichiro getting Terrence Long are still my two faves, but this is up there.
   5. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:11 AM (#4723190)
   6. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4723208)
I like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PH6XJypKno

Amazing throw plus an amazing play by Carter.

IIRC, Parker had an amazing throw in the 1979 world series, but I don't see that on youtube.
   7. hokieneer Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4723234)
Related video from the link in #6.

Jose Guillen had a cannon as well
   8. The_Ex Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4723236)
It was a great throw but I find it hard to believe those who say it was up there with the best ever. I preferred some of Vlad's or Ichiro throws that more more on a line. Cespedes throw was very accurate but more of a rainbow.
   9. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4723237)
Between this play and the couple he had last week against the Angels, I'm more or less convinced Cespedes has the greatest arm of all time.
   10. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4723239)
8...I was gonna say this, but didn't want to be a killjoy. Not that you're a killjoy.

Clemente and Dwight Evans throwing guys out at 3rd were the best throws I ever saw.
   11. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4723250)
8...I was gonna say this, but didn't want to be a killjoy. Not that you're a killjoy.

Clemente and Dwight Evans throwing guys out at 3rd were the best throws I ever saw.


I'll just slide in here behind you guys.

Jesse Barfield was my gold standard, having been too young to have seen Clemente. Ankiel may have been his equal from the other side (and far outdistanced his lefthanded outfield rivals, who don't typically have strong arms). Honestly, and mysteriously, I have a hard time judging Ankiel against his righthanded counterparts when it comes to outfield wings.

Parker's arm was strong, but like Vlad's, far too likely to uncork one past everybody. He does not belong in the same class with the great outfield throwers.

Evans was very accurate, though I think he had a hair less juice on his throws than Jesse.
   12. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4723259)
It was a very good throw, but I think a lot of major leaguers could make that throw... if they wanted to. Seriously, most OFs are taught to make the line drive throws that hop once or twice -- rather than air mail it -- so that the cut-off man has the option of cutting it and to keep the runners from advancing. And then they get in the habit of making all their throws like that, even when there are no runners. (Probably they are coached that this is the better way.) One reason is that if they overthrow it people predictably whine that they should have thrown it on a hop or two.

I actually think the air mail throw is the better throw, in most cases. The skipping throw makes it harder on the catcher to field cleanly.
   13. TJ Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:22 AM (#4723261)
I'm with SoSh- Barfield had more carry on his throws than anyone I've ever seen. Clemente was awesome as well, and I had the privilege of watching Al Kaline make multiple incredible throws as a Detroit Tiger. Kaline's arm was very similar to Dewey Evans, maybe a micron better. Of today's players, Ichiro's is the best- running on him is insanity.
   14. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4723264)
I actually think the air mail throw is the better throw, in most cases. The skipping throw makes it harder on the catcher to field cleanly.


In this situation, tie game in the bottom of the eighth, go-ahead run trying to score, the air mail is just fine. Ordinarily, when that run isn't so crucial that you want to just give up the free extra base, then I prefer the throw that can be cut off.

   15. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM (#4723278)
"Rickey could have made that throw whenever Rickey felt like it."


I remember Mike Davis and Glen wilson making some great throws.
   16. puck Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4723283)

Jose Guillen had a cannon as well


Eh, altitude-aided. Bonus points for pegging Neifi, though.
   17. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4723289)
Jose Guillen had a cannon as well

A fun thing about Guillen was that he seemed to show off his arm far more often than was necessary, and made big throws even when it was clear that the runner wasn't going to try to take the extra base. This is probably sub-optimal baseball strategy, but can be very fun to watch. I sat in the right field bleachers for all 3 of the games that Guillen played in Fenway in 2003, and it seemed that every time he got the ball he wanted to throw it to third on the fly, just because he could. I kept waiting for him to catch a routine flyball with no one base and then chuck the ball to Eric Chavez, but he never did.
   18. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4723298)
I remember Mike Davis and Glen wilson making some great throws.

Wilson was an absolute beast, also off the top of my head the only semi-recent player to have a long career when his only real tool was his outfield arm. I guess his power was OK, but it certainly wasn't a plus tool.

The young Mark Kotsay had a really great and under-appreciated arm. For his first ~5 years in MLB he could throw as well as anyone. But he played in Miami and then San Diego in big, sea level parks, on teams that no one cares about.
   19. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4723308)
Jose Bautista has a strong and accurate throw, and I've seen him gun out people at home (and a couple of Royals at 1B).
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4723316)
Sean Forman @sean_forman
Can someone actually put their physics degree to good use and tell us the initial velocity of Cespedes throw home tonight? @Bbl_Astrophyscs


Meredith Wills @Bbl_Astrophyscs

.@sean_forman With LOTS of assumptions (At Bat doesn't do frame-by-frame), the initial velocity of the Cespedes throw was 115-130 mph.


That seems a bit dubious.
   21. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4723319)
We give him crap, but Jeff Francoeur had a really good arm even when the rest of his skills had gone to pot. I still love this throw he made against Detroit.
   22. Shredder Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:14 PM (#4723326)
It was a great throw but I find it hard to believe those who say it was up there with the best ever. I preferred some of Vlad's or Ichiro throws that more more on a line. Cespedes throw was very accurate but more of a rainbow.
I think what was impressive was how he barely stepped into it. He didn't really loaded up. Just picked it up and zinged it. I thought it was pretty awesome, and obviously I'm biased the other way.
   23. dave h Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4723330)
It took to #21 to mention Francoeur? I love this highlight reel.
   24. theboyqueen Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4723331)
It was a very good throw, but I think a lot of major leaguers could make that throw... if they wanted to


I don't think this is true at all. I doubt there are five guys in the league that could hit the catcher on the fly with that kind of speed and accuracy from 300 feet, especially with that quick a motion (which to me is the most remarkable thing about the throw). Look at where Kendrick is when he makes the throw, he's a quarter way down the line already and he's a fast guy.

Reminds me of Bo's throw to get Harold Reynolds more than anything (which was from even further out).
   25. Jeff R., P***y Mainlander Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4723333)
A fun thing about Guillen was that he seemed to show off his arm far more often than was necessary, and made big throws even when it was clear that the runner wasn't going to try to take the extra base. This is probably sub-optimal baseball strategy, but can be very fun to watch. I sat in the right field bleachers for all 3 of the games that Guillen played in Fenway in 2003, and it seemed that every time he got the ball he wanted to throw it to third on the fly, just because he could. I kept waiting for him to catch a routine flyball with no one base and then chuck the ball to Eric Chavez, but he never did.


Sammy Sosa was accused of doing this with the White Sox; just kind of loping after a ball and daring the runner to try for second or third so he could make the throw.
   26. A triple short of the cycle Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4723339)
Classic Cespedes right there. Amazing skills compensating for lackadaisical effort.
   27. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4723344)
Jeff Francouer had a gun in RF.

I agree that the the air mail is the way to go in that situation. I don't agree that the one hop is harder to field than the air mail. If it's thrown on a one hop it's actually easier to get the glove on it and back down than if it's aired in but offline.
   28. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM (#4723345)
Everyone's got their favorite throws, but mine was a clothes line throw that Rocky Colavito made from RF to home in the old Yankee Stadium back in 1960. It was barely 300', but what made it so spectacular was that he'd just caught a fly with his back pinned to the wall, and made the throw flatfooted.
   29. theboyqueen Posted: June 11, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4723375)
Classic Cespedes right there. Amazing skills compensating for lackadaisical effort.


To what are you referring? The guy makes mistakes but nothing I would ever ascribe to "lackadaisical effort"?
   30. dr. scott Posted: June 11, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4723386)
Yea, laskadasical may be the wrong word... but he almost looks clueless out there going for balls sometimes, including this play... I think awkward may be a better word... and then the arm... its a shocking juxtaposition.
   31. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4723408)
To what are you referring?


The fact that he's Latino, one assumes.
   32. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 11, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4723410)
It's a shame, since baseball been berry, berry good to heem.
   33. Sunday silence Posted: June 11, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4723417)
Today I learn: Cespedes throws the ball harder than Steve Dalkowski.
   34. Lars6788 Posted: June 11, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4723445)
I saw Cespedes ''long toss' before that yesterday's game [and the game before] and he was by the warning track in left-center while the other guy playing catch wilth him was down the right field line.

I'm wondering why a guy like that has to show off how far he can throw the ball - as an Angels fan, I guess I found out why.
   35. A triple short of the cycle Posted: June 11, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4723478)
To what are you referring? The guy makes mistakes but nothing I would ever ascribe to "lackadaisical effort"?

Many times: Cespedes hits long drive, breaks into home run trot, ball hits top of wall, Cespedes starts running. This has cost him a few triples.

On this particular play: Cespedes takes eye off ball and boots it (lack of focus), then DOESN'T HUSTLE after the ball (lack of urgency), but throws the guy out anyway.

   36. A triple short of the cycle Posted: June 11, 2014 at 02:48 PM (#4723482)
The fact that he's Latino, one assumes.

Excuse me?

   37. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4723485)
I can't find any video, but I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Cory Snyder's arm. It was pretty incredible - I've got him right alongside Barfield as the best I've ever seen.

You've gotta have a pretty good throwing arm if you're a corner outfielder and your wall poster celebrates your arm instead of your bat.
   38. JRVJ Posted: June 11, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4723528)
Frankly, there's few things I like more in baseball than great throws such as these (YMMV, of course).
   39. Brian Posted: June 11, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4723597)
I think what was impressive was how he barely stepped into it. He didn't really loaded up. Just picked it up and zinged it


What? He clearly gets a full crow hop towards the plate. That's all you get, this ain't the Javelin throw.
   40. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 11, 2014 at 07:54 PM (#4723666)
What? He clearly gets a full crow hop towards the plate. That's all you get, this ain't the Javelin throw.

Right, but most of the "great throws" we remember were while the outfielder is either running toward the infield, or has time to set and start in.
Cespedes gets a crow hop, but that's all he gets - and he still manages to launch the ball right over the runner and on to home plate.
   41. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4723672)
There's something of that in this Clemente turn and throw.
   42. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:20 PM (#4723678)
I don't think this is true at all. I doubt there are five guys in the league that could hit the catcher on the fly with that kind of speed and accuracy from 300 feet, especially with that quick a motion (which to me is the most remarkable thing about the throw).


Disagree, and again I say that I don't think people truly understand what they are watching day in and day out, and specifically, how good major leaguers are at playing baseball.
   43. jingoist Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:25 PM (#4723679)
Slightly off topic: as a pure fan of good/great baseball, one has to admire this current A's team.
They came into Baltimore last week-end and blew the doors of the Orioles; completely outplaying them in two of the 3 games they played.
Being an east coast guy I tend to see the As on MLB network or nightly highlights and I must say they are the most impressive team I've seen play this year.

All you A's fans must be thrilled.
Should we mentally prepare for Giants/A's world series?
   44. theboyqueen Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:37 PM (#4723684)
Disagree, and again I say that I don't think people truly understand what they are watching day in and day out, and specifically, how good major leaguers are at playing baseball.


This is a truly strange response to what I said.
   45. cardsfanboy Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:57 PM (#4723694)
Disagree, and again I say that I don't think people truly understand what they are watching day in and day out, and specifically, how good major leaguers are at playing baseball.


The Cardinals have 7 guys capable of being a starting outfielder in the major leagues. Not one of them could have made that throw. Can't say anything for other teams, but I imagine there are probably less than 10 active outfielders in baseball who could have made that play. Ichiro can't anymore. Ankiel is out of baseball.

Yes the throw wasn't "perfect" too much arch in it, but it was still a very good/elite throw.
   46. Sean Forman Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:24 PM (#4723703)
You know all of your phones have stopwatches on them, so it's a pretty trivial matter to take a couple measurements and see who had a quickest throw to a base. A little geometry might give you the distances as well. Alan Nathan chimed in later and got Cespedes throw at like 3.12 seconds or 95-98 mph at release.
   47. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:55 PM (#4723713)
You know all of your phones have stopwatches on them, so it's a pretty trivial matter to take a couple measurements and see who had a quickest throw to a base. A little geometry might give you the distances as well. Alan Nathan chimed in later and got Cespedes throw at like 3.12 seconds or 95-98 mph at release.


What I'd really like to see is a measurement of the in-the-air toss (one with, like Cespedes' effort last night, some hang time) vs. the one-hopper from the same guy. Obviously the in-the-air, on-a-line throw is going to be the most effective, but how do those other possibilities compare to one another in terms of time it takes to reach the bag (and how do the surfaces with which they make contact (dirt vs. infield grass vs. turf, where applicable) change things.

Disagree, and again I say that I don't think people truly understand what they are watching day in and day out, and specifically, how good major leaguers are at playing baseball.


Why do you think all players at the same position have such similar arm strength (you made this same mistaken assessment with Machado, which I proved with video evidence), particularly when we know that throwing arm is one of the last things teams select for at certain positions?

We know, for a fact, that Johnny Damon and Juan Pierre and Bernie Williams have very weak arms, to the degree that some primates are likely to be able to throw harder than them. Yet all three played many, many games in the outfield. Since we know there's such a disparity between this trio and Barfield and Ichiro and Ankiel, why do you refuse to acknowledge that smaller yet still significant arm strength differences exist between a guy like Cespedes and his leftfield compatriots? It simply makes no sense.


   48. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4723738)
Disagree, and again I say that I don't think people truly understand what they are watching day in and day out, and specifically, how good major leaguers are at playing baseball.


This is a truly strange response to what I said.


Don't worry about it.
Ray finds baseball to be a bore since there are no more great plays to be made. Everything is routine or has been done hundreds of times.
   49. dr. scott Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:51 PM (#4723740)
Coco Crisp also has a terrible arm. That he is flanked by such great arms is very helpful. Moss got 1 or 2 assists in that game as he too has a great arm replacing Reddick who I originally thought had the best arm on the team. This video of the throw is quite impressive...

http://blog.sfgate.com/athletics/2014/06/11/josh-donaldson-gets-night-off-as-reactions-to-yoenis-cespedes-throw/

it adds cool fireball effects, and has the best angle...

On the downside for the A's, Donaldson is 0 for his last 21...
   50. Danny Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4723742)
I love Moss's quote from last week:
“For a guy that predominately plays first base, to go out in right field and come up with a play like that, pretty amazing,” A’s manager Bob Melvin said. “The guy’s done so many good things for us, and usually you think of him as just an offensive guy, but that was a Reddick-like throw, and it was do or die.”

“People don’t remember I have a really good arm,” Moss said. “It’s my only defensive tool.”
   51. DKDC Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:30 PM (#4723755)
They came into Baltimore last week-end and blew the doors of the Orioles; completely outplaying them in two of the 3 games they played.


Which two games?
   52. dr. scott Posted: June 12, 2014 at 12:59 AM (#4723782)
They won 2, only blew the doors off of 1, but seriously played well in the first win with great defense even though they only won by 1... not exactly blowing the doors off, but i can understand if you just watched the last 3 innings and didn't think about the fact they were down to begin with you may think they totally dominated given the comeback and win.
   53. Poster Nutbag Posted: June 12, 2014 at 01:11 AM (#4723784)
Awesome guide found on Twitter.

Should be posted in every teams dugout.
   54. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: June 12, 2014 at 01:12 AM (#4723785)
Frenchy's highlight reel was impressive for how he threw. He really drops his head down and away to throw like a cricket bowler to generate his power. The other guys in the videos do it to some degree, but not to extent Frenchy did. It allows him to open up his shoulder to allow his arm to be almost vertical, but he loses sight of his target for a split second, which makes his accuracy more impressive. Like Hideki Okajima.
   55. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 12, 2014 at 01:31 AM (#4723791)
I just looked up Frenchy's minor league numbers, as I'm wont to do, and I see that he's pitched in seven games this year (on top of 59 games in the OF). Does anyone know if this is just mop-up work or if my man is trying to go full Kieschnick on us?

   56. theboyqueen Posted: June 12, 2014 at 02:14 AM (#4723805)
Cespedes did it again tonight, botching a double and throwing Pujols out at third. I thought Pujols used to be a great baserunner but he has made some awful baserunning mistakes in the last two games.
   57. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: June 12, 2014 at 09:44 AM (#4723887)
Frenchy is pitching mostly for fun in blowouts, but he and the club both sort of agree that if he decides to take it seriously as a vocation, he could be a useful Kieschnickesque PH/OF/RP.
   58. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: June 12, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4723948)
Cespedes really needs to work on his glove as he is turning into Roberto Duran with the glove and Clemente with the arm
   59. dr. scott Posted: June 12, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4724064)
its a dangerous strategy to keep booting balls to get people out at the next base.
   60. Willie Mayspedester Posted: June 12, 2014 at 01:55 PM (#4724114)
What's going on with Pujols? He's limping now and has lost his plate discipline. He swung at a few pitches not even close to the strike zone last night.

After being on fire in April he's struggling to keep his OBP above .300

EDIT: If he fails to raise his OBP above .330 it will have been 7 straight years it has gone down. Now that's a long trend.
   61. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 12, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4724123)
I hadn't looked at Pujols recently. He certainly is struggling.

OPS by month:
march/april 927
may 732
jun 558
   62. dr. scott Posted: June 12, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4724175)
he was killing it early in the season... but then he went too far.

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