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Friday, February 17, 2012

Wakefield to announce retirement tonight

Tim Wakefield arrived with the Red Sox as a reclamation project. Nearly two decades later, he departs as one of the most successful pitchers and respected individuals in team history.

The venerable knuckleballer will formally announce his retirement during a 5 p.m. ET press conference this evening at Jet Blue Park, Boston’s new Spring Training facility.

Wakefield had hoped to extend his career for another season, and said that he badly wanted it to be with the Red Sox.

Fare the well, Tim. It’s too bad he didn’t get to set the all-time record for Red Sox wins, but 3rd all-time ain’t bad.

The Piehole of David Wells Posted: February 17, 2012 at 02:00 PM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: February 17, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4063511)
Yeah, that's supposed to be "thee." Ugh.

   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4063523)
Many people have forgotten what a splash he made when he came up in 92--no earned runs in his first ML appearance (a complete game), goes 8-1 in Aug and Sept to help the Pirates win the east in a laugher, then goes 2-0 in the Sid Bream NLCS.

(now, if he were Asian and from Harvard...)
   3. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4063524)
(now, if he were Asian and from Harvard...)


He'd be your uncle?

No, wait. I've confused that with the saying about if your aunt had balls ...

Never mind.
   4. salajander Posted: February 17, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4063525)
It’s too bad he didn’t get to set the all-time record for Red Sox wins, but 3rd all-time ain’t bad.


Would have been cool, but the way he'd been pitching I'm not sure one more season would be enough.

(Too soon?)
   5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 17, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4063526)
With a couple of breaks he would be the only man to MVP of both the NLCS (1992) and ALCS (2003).

Thanks for the memories Wake!
   6. Dan Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4063531)
Wakefield was a valuable and underrated member of the Red Sox for years, and I thank him for that. But he used up a lot of his goodwill by hanging around 2 years too long, and last year saying that "the fans deserve a shot to see me pitch in 2012 to get the franchise wins record", during the historic collapse no less. I wish him nothing but the best, but his time had come.

It'll be interesting to see if the Red Sox try to give him a coaching or organizational position to see if he can teach any washed out prospects how to throw the knuckler.

And it doesn't seem to be a popular opinion, but I'm somewhat glad that Wakefield didn't pass Cy Young and Clemens on the Red Sox wins list. I'd rather see a record like that owned by an all-time great than an organizational soldier, but maybe that's just me. It's also cool that it's a tie between the two of them. A three way tie might've been neat, I guess.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4063535)
The thing I always remembered about him is that he was the STREAKIEST pitcher I have ever seen--he would be unhittable for a 5-6 game stretch (sometimes longer) then go into the tank for the next equal number of games. There was a site about 8-10 years ago where you could graphically represent a player's performance either game by game or in 5 game increments or so*. For most players it would be a gently undulating curve around the mean, but for Wake it was a perfect sine wave.

*anyone else remember that site?
   8. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4063539)
Wake has always been a personal favorite. I love his style, and I'm glad that Dickey will keep the knuckleball flame alive.

   9. Mattbert Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4063540)
And it doesn't seem to be a popular opinion, but I'm kind of glad that Wakefield didn't pass Cy Young and Clemens on the Red Sox wins list. I'd rather see a record like that owned by an all-time great than an organizational soldier, but maybe that's just me. It's also kind of cool that it's a tie between the two of them. A three way tie might've been neat, I guess.

If not for those four seasons as a swingman/reliever, he would have had the franchise record in 2010 at the latest.

TIMMAH!
   10. Gamingboy Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4063550)
Long live the Knuckleball!
   11. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4063551)
If this story is published, then what exactly is going to be "announced" tonight?
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4063552)
Is Dickey the only one left? I assume Haeger and Zink may still be bouncing around in AAA, but are there any other knuckleballers in the minors?
   13. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4063559)
If this story is published, then what exactly is going to be "announced" tonight?


Well, there are a lot of unanswered questions. Like, does Tim Wakefield feel honored and humbled to have been part of an organization like the Boston Red Sox? Tune in at 5:00 to find out!
   14. Guapo Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4063566)
So who is "longest tenured with one team"? It's got to be Jetes, right? I guess Jeter was arguably longer tenured than Wakefield, since he's been in the Yankee organization for longer...

Wakefield's first game as a Red Sock was 5/27/95. Jeter's first game as a Yankee was 5/29/95.

Not surprisingly, Wakefield faced Jeter more than any other batter, and Jeter has faced Wakefield more than any other pitcher. Hit .288/.323/.408 with 3 HR in 133 PA. That includes postseason.

A-Rod has the most HRs vs. Wakefield, with 8.

But Wakefield's most struck out is a tie between A-Rod and Giambi, with 21. Giambi hit .153 against Wakefield in 120 PA.

Nelson Cruz went 6 for 6 against Wakefield with 2 2B, 2 HR and 6 RBI. He also walked twice (once intentionally)
   15. Maxwn Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4063581)
So who is "longest tenured with one team"? It's got to be Jetes, right? I guess Jeter was arguably longer tenured than Wakefield, since he's been in the Yankee organization for longer...

Wakefield's first game as a Red Sock was 5/27/95. Jeter's first game as a Yankee was 5/29/95.

Chipper's first game with the Braves was 9/11/93.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4063582)
So who is "longest tenured with one team"? It's got to be Jetes, right? I guess Jeter was arguably longer tenured than Wakefield, since he's been in the Yankee organization for longer...,


Chipper has eighteen seasons.

Jeter and Mo have seventeen seasons.

Varitek has fifteen seasons, although one "season" was one at-bat. And he's not really with the Sox anymore.

Paul Konerko has thirteen.

Jimmy Rollins and Michael Young have twelve, although one "season" for Young was two at bats.

Brandon Inge has eleven. That's kinda unbelievable.
   17. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4063587)
Wakefield was a valuable and underrated member of the Red Sox for years, and I thank him for that. But he used up a lot of his goodwill by hanging around 2 years too long

Please, no. He used up none of my goodwill.

Hats off to you, Tim.
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4063589)
Not surprisingly, Wakefield faced Jeter more than any other batter, and Jeter has faced Wakefield more than any other pitcher.


Cool, I didn't know that. I think Jeter is also the batter most faced by Pedro.
   19. Guapo Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4063593)
Doh! I knew I was forgetting someone. Thanks.
   20. Nasty Nate Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4063600)
Doh! I knew I was forgetting someone. Thanks.


I don't think my post contradicted yours.
   21. dave h Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4063601)
In response to #6, I don't see how he used up his goodwill last season. Does the player owe it to us to retire when they are no longer of a certain caliber, even if the team continues to play him? Sure there was a little bit of pushing to get him to 200 wins, but it's not like they were passing up anyone else of value to get him there. The pitching at the end of the year was a disaster, and who knows who they would have had to send out there instead.

I also think there was more to him than "organizational soldier". He had runs of brilliance, although only a couple times did that last a whole season, and maybe you can say that for a lot of players.
   22. ajnrules Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4063604)
I bet Jamie Moyer's just shaking his head. To think that Wakefield is almost four years younger than him.

I always liked Tim Wakefield. I always thought he was a classy player and a good person. I'll miss seeing him on the field.
   23. Guapo Posted: February 17, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4063605)
Nasty Nate, my #19 was referencing #s 15 and 16 (specifically, Chipper), not your #18.
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4063621)
ah, I see. Do you happen to know if Pedro is #2 behind wakefield for pitchers that Jeter has faced?
   25. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4063626)
Do you happen to know if Pedro is #2 behind wakefield for pitchers that Jeter has faced?

yes
   26. Jim Wisinski Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4063629)
Despite him being a Red Sox icon I could never dislike Wakefield even the slightest bit. Always seemed like a great guy and complete professional on the mound and off. His history against the Rays is interesting, from 1998-2006 he was very good to dominant against them in every season but 1999, I remember always seeing the absurd W-L record he put up against the team every time they faced him. In 2007 it was pretty much a draw and from then on the Rays beat him like a drum.

He had some quality, refined facial hair too.
   27. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4063631)
same search for Wakefield

lotta Yankees on that list
   28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4063632)
So will he go back to being the lead singer for Cake?
   29. Nasty Nate Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4063637)
Thanks, jmac. Do those lists include the postseason?
   30. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4063638)
yes they do, NN
   31. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:29 PM (#4063649)
Gary Carter had a 2.000 OPS against Wakefield. It was only two plate appearances (a walk and a single) in one game though. Wakefield pitched seven shutout innings, but the Expos won 5-1 on a walkoff grand slam in the 14th by Moises Alou, before it was called a walkoff.

It was Carter's second-to-last hit, the last before the one linked in the Carter thread.
   32. Nasty Nate Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4063650)
hell, Wakefield's so old that might have been before it was called a grand slam....
   33. Gonfalon B. Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4063660)
Aaron Boone vs. Wakefield:
.182/.250/.273
(That does not include the postseason.)

It's always a shame when ageless players go. Ruins the whole "ageless" thing.
   34. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4063664)
It's probably selective memory, but he always seemed to have his good knuckler against the Yankees. Baseball is better for Tim Wakefield.
   35. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4063669)
Mariano Rivera's #1 hitter faced was Manny Ramirez for a good long while. I wonder if it still is...if not, maybe a long tenured Oriole?
   36. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4063672)
I've been a fan of any & all knuckleballers since Wilbur Wood (Hoyt Wilhelm & the Niekros were around when I started following baseball in 1970, too, but for some reason Wood is the one who really captured my attention).

Thanks for everything, Tim.
   37. Blastin Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4063678)
NYY fan but I really have nothing but fond memories of Wake. Seemed like a good guy.
   38. Jittery McFrog Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4063679)
I have nothing much to add except that I'm so sad to see him go.

I wish he could've latched on with some hopeless team with little to lose by it, and pitched a bit more just for the fun of it. (e.g. that's just about the only way I'd tune into an Astros game this year.)
   39. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: February 17, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4063681)
Manny, Varitek, Damon, Ortiz for Mo. You have to go to fifth to get that long tenured Oriole, Palmeiro. Testament I think to how many close games the Yankees and Red Sox play, and how many are important enough to use Mo for multiple innings, in tie games, and even when trailing.
   40. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 17, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4063683)
Mariano Rivera's #1 hitter faced was Manny Ramirez for a good long while. I wonder if it still is...if not, maybe a long tenured Oriole?

53 ManRam
46 Varitek
40 Damon
35 Ortiz
34 Palmeiro
31 Tejada
30 Thome
29 Mark McLemore, who retired in 2003 and was in the AL West for the entirety of Rivera's career. Odd.
29 Millar
29 Nixon
etc.
   41. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 17, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4063685)
Ray Durham vs. Rivera: 0 for 26 (.000/.000/.000) with 3 strikeouts. Everyone else on my list up there hit pretty well against him, except Damon, Nixon and Thome.
   42. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: February 17, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4063687)
Manny didn't hit him particularly well, but Ortiz does. That would have been my impression as well. Papi is really good at not swinging at the cutter when it tails inside off the plate.
   43. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: February 17, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4063691)
Has Wakefield ever given a definitive answer on his ability to spot pitches? I think in the past he's dismissed this ability, but he always seemed to have much better command than you would think.
   44. John Northey Posted: February 17, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4063696)
Hate to see him go as well - always cheered him on even though I'm a Blue Jay fan who boos the Red Sox (and Yankees). Hopefully someone signs him up to be a minor league coach to teach people the knuckleball. I'd love it if the Jays would sign him to their AA team (in the Boston region) as a coach and have him work with a few kids who are stuck and need something to revive their career.

Funny how knuckleballers used to be relievers and now are almost always starters - or is that my imagination?
   45. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: February 17, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4063700)
I think in the past he's dismissed this ability, but he always seemed to have much better command than you would think.


Yeah, for a guy who a very hard-to-control pitch, the guy had a surprisingly normal BB rate.
   46. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 17, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4063701)
Has Wakefield ever given a definitive answer on his ability to spot pitches? I think in the past he's dismissed this ability, but he always seemed to have much better command than you would think.


One of the interesting things about Wake is it seemed that when he was piling up strikeouts early in a game he inevitably lost it. It seemed that if he got 4-5 strikeouts in the first couple of innings it was a sign that the ball was just moving too much and inevitably he would start walking people and getting WP/PB all over the place.
   47. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: February 17, 2012 at 05:51 PM (#4063729)
Yeah, for a guy who a very hard-to-control pitch, the guy had a surprisingly normal BB rate.


I don't know how to look this up, but I remember Wakefield not using the knuckleball very much in 3-ball counts. As a matter of fact, I remember a Yankee (Chili Davis?) saying that when the knuckleball is working, he works the count against him, gets a fastball, and hits it hard.

Did Wake lay it into the zone in certain counts?
   48. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: February 17, 2012 at 06:22 PM (#4063750)
One of the interesting things about Wake is it seemed that when he was piling up strikeouts early in a game he inevitably lost it. It seemed that if he got 4-5 strikeouts in the first couple of innings it was a sign that the ball was just moving too much and inevitably he would start walking people and getting WP/PB all over the place.


It's not really in that category, but my most memorable Wakefield game is this one. I was out at a seminar dinner watching this in the background -- the A's and Sox were in the thick of a wild-card race -- and Wakefield's knuckler was going crazy. Through 4 innings nobody had come even remotely close to hitting the ball hard -- a bloop hit and a grounder that snuck through but no solid contact whatsoever. I didn't see how the A's were going to score at all. Mulder had been uncharacteristically wild, hitting a couple of guys, and was just barely hanging on out there; the Sox were up 1-0 but they had been on the verge of breaking it open a couple times.

Then Ramon Hernandez came up with two guys on and crushed one over the green monster. It was one of the most unexpected things I've ever seen watching a baseball game... the A's were just looking unilaterally incredibly foolish out there. The A's piled it on after that and it looks like an easy 9-1 win in the boxscore but at the time I couldn't believe that the A's managed to get to Wakefield.

Always liked the guy despite his Sox affiliation.
   49. AndrewJ Posted: February 17, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4063760)
Matt Stairs and (assuming he plays in 2012) Jamie Moyer are now the only major league players older than me.
   50. Dan Posted: February 17, 2012 at 07:17 PM (#4063773)
Hate to break it to you, AndrewJ, but Stairs retired.
   51. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: February 17, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4063790)
One of my favorite Sox ever. He was a hell of a guy.
   52. PreservedFish Posted: February 17, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4063801)
I like it when non-stars stay with one team for a long time. I'm rooting for you, Brandon Inge!
   53. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: February 17, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4063808)

It's always a shame when ageless players go. Ruins the whole "ageless" thing.


For some reason, it brought be a tremendous amount of joy to tell my wife at one game, "That's Julio Franco. He's forty-nine!!!"
   54. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: February 18, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4063978)
Did Wake lay it into the zone in certain counts?

Yes. When Wake fell behind early in the count, he'd usually try to sneak a fastball in there. He threw 80-90% knucklers over his career though, which is a really high number even for a knuckleballer (check out Dickey, he's closer to 75% I believe). I also used to love seeing the three to five sweeping curveballs (2-8 motion) he'd basically lob every game.
   55. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: February 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4063980)
With a couple of breaks he would be the only man to MVP of both the NLCS (1992) and ALCS (2003).

I suspect that a few million Yankee fans would gladly have presented him with that 2003 honor.
   56. karlmagnus Posted: February 18, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4063982)
Like the knuckleball, Wake's retirement is the result of tiny factors. If the bullpen hadn't let him down 3-4 times in his quest for 200, that quest would not have been painful and at 201-202 Wake would have been closer to the Young/Clemens mark. If the Sox had won their last game and made the playoffs, the urge to turn a page would have been less, etc.

But then Wake's arrival with the Sox was a fluke too -- Duquette was smart, but Wake's start was lucky; if he'd started with a bad streak we'd never have heard of him.

Sad -- the 2012 Sox will miss him badly, I think.
   57. aleskel Posted: February 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4063985)
A-Rod has the most HRs vs. Wakefield, with 8.

Anybody remember the time A-Rod homered off of a Wakefield knuckler at Fenway and didn't know where he hit it, so he looked around like he thought he had popped it up? And everybody thought that he was somehow showing Wakefield up? That was bizarre.

But Wakefield's most struck out is a tie between A-Rod and Giambi, with 21. Giambi hit .153 against Wakefield in 120 PA.

Funny, but the best game I've ever seen in person was this one, which the Yankees won 1-0 on a Giambi homer just inside the pole. Wakefield struck out 12 in that game.
   58. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: February 18, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4064031)
before it was called a walkoff.


That Carter game was in 1990. I thought the term "walk-off" came from Eck after Kirk Gibson hit the home run in the 1988 World Series...
   59. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: February 18, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4064034)
Yes. When Wake fell behind early in the count, he'd usually try to sneak a fastball in there.

Can't remember who (Fangraphs?) but in the last couple of years I saw a study suggesting that Wakefield's fastball was the most effective in the game, presumably because of the surprise / change elements.
   60. The Marksist Posted: February 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4065469)
Can't remember who (Fangraphs?) but in the last couple of years I saw a study suggesting that Wakefield's fastball was the most effective in the game, presumably because of the surprise / change elements.


I remember seeing that as well. Google turns up a few articles, but here's the Fangraphs one. Good times.

And count me among those sad to see Tim retire. One of my favorite players of all time.
   61. SoSH U at work Posted: February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4065476)
And count me among those sad to see Tim retire. One of my favorite players of all time.


I was out of BTF reach when this announcement was made, so let me just second this. Though in my case, I don't need the "One of" or the s on players.

   62. karlmagnus Posted: February 21, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4065502)
One of my two favorites, too, though I'm delighted to see that the other, Manny, has caught on with the As. However Wake, if he wants one, has a long and happy future as a Pesky-like figure with the Sox.
   63. Swedish Chef Posted: February 21, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4065503)
The Cubs just sent the fake Chris Carpenter to the Red Sox as payment for Theo. There was a PTBNL swap also.
   64. Dan Posted: February 21, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4065526)
An arm that can throw 100 isn't a bad guy to end up with as compensation. Maybe they can make him into the next Dan Bard?

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