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Walters: Boston Red Sox still in lead for Minnesota Twins ace Johan Santana

I haven’t seen a transaction take this long…since the 1971 Yankees team tried to adopt little Vu Thi Bobo during the Vietnam War!

The Boston Red Sox remain the favorite to acquire Johan Santana from the Twins, insiders say.

Boston remains firm, though, as initially reported by the Pioneer Press, in offering just Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson. The Red Sox are adamantly opposed to substituting Jacoby Ellsbury for Crisp, and that’s the current holdup.

Regardless, there’s buzz that the Santana trade could be made within days.

Boston has a larger pool of players who interest Minnesota and can contribute to the Twins immediately, whereas many of the New York Yankees’ top prospects are at least a season or two away from succeeding in the major leagues. The Yankees remain firmly opposed to trading pitchers Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy together for Santana, and they certainly won’t trade Joba Chamberlain.

Repoz Posted: December 20, 2007 at 01:48 PM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Sexy Lizard Posted: December 20, 2007 at 02:26 PM (#2650524)

The worst thing about being a Red Sox fan is that every winter is spent agonizing over one transaction that takes three months and probably doesn't happen anyway.

2. cee lo ortiz Posted: December 20, 2007 at 02:31 PM (#2650526)

what does this have to do with steroids ? where is the relevance ?

3. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 20, 2007 at 02:35 PM (#2650530)

The worst thing about being a Red Sox fan is that every winter is spent agonizing over one transaction that takes three months and probably doesn't happen anyway.

This one is worse, though, because the Red Sox have no incentive for speed. Usually, teams have deadlines for pulling the trigger because a trade will require other cascading moves - a new middle reliever, someone to cover 2B/SS, whatever was lost in the trade. In this case, because Crisp and Ellsbury are close enough to redundant for 2008, and because Santana would simply replace Lester, the Red Sox have basically no other moves that would follow on a Santana trade. So they can just sit around all winter, scouting 4th outfielders and backup catchers, drinking PBR and listening to "Better Man" until their ears, and souls, start bleeding.

4. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 20, 2007 at 02:39 PM (#2650535)

I'd like to add that the following constitutes the entirety of "news" reported in this article:

there’s buzz that the Santana trade could be made within days

Buzz! Even better than sources! And it will happen within an indeterminate span of time! Thanks, laughably unprofessional standards of sports reporting!

5. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: December 20, 2007 at 03:08 PM (#2650549)

And it will happen within an indeterminate span of time!

Not even "will." "Could"!

6. John DiFool2 Posted: December 20, 2007 at 03:25 PM (#2650561)

scouting 4th outfielders and backup catchers

Well, turns out they DO need a backup C, and preferably a young-ish one who can step in for Tek in '09.

7. Repoz

Posted: December 20, 2007 at 03:42 PM (#2650569)

Tried to google Repoz' intro but got nuthin', just a bunch of Vietnamese gibberish.

Kev, That's a true story...prompted by all around good-guy y goovy dude Michael Burke.

From the 1972 NY Yankee Yearbook.

"It all happened last fall when the Yankees "adopted" five-year-old Vu Thi Bobo of Vietnam, through the Foster Parents Plan, Inc.

Little Bobo is learning about the popular American sport through her correspondence with her "Yankee parents".

In a recent letter to her, Yankee President Michael Burke explained their new relationship. He Wrote:

"We are very happy that you are a member of our family, the New York Yankees. We are not all of the same mother and father, of course, but we do live together in a large house known as Yankee Stadium...most of your new family are young men who play baseball, and I am kind of Papa."

At the same time the Yankees also adopted 9-year old Alvaro Conrado Arango of Columbia...but Vietnam is a much cooler historical reference point.

8. Nasty Nate Posted: December 20, 2007 at 03:45 PM (#2650573)

drinking PBR and listening to "Better Man" until their ears, and souls, start bleeding.

i have Theo pegged as more of a "rearviewmirror" or "Elderly woman...." fan

9. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 20, 2007 at 03:54 PM (#2650578)

scouting 4th outfielders

SIGN BOBBY KIELTY DAMMIT

We basically gave up Wily Mo to get him.

a new middle reliever

I assumed we need one now anyway, the best guy in-house to become a good middle reliever is probably Masterson, and his ETA is probably August (optimistic)

someone to cover 2B/SS

I'd simply start Lowrie and dump Lugo's ass to the bench. It's a sunk cost, I say F@3$ it and move on. Trade Lugo and 25 million dollars for 2 bags of used syringes so we can inject Drew or something.

10. GIANTlhbASS Posted: December 20, 2007 at 08:12 PM (#2650934)

Great story. To think the Yankees could act out a heart-warming episode from M*A*S*H.

11. spike Posted: December 21, 2007 at 03:40 AM (#2651293)

Well, if M*A*S*H took place in Vietnam anyway.

12. Hugh Jorgan Posted: December 21, 2007 at 03:55 AM (#2651306)

Well, if M*A*S*H took place in Vietnam anyway.

Yep, Burbank is a long way from Saigon...and also Seoul.

13. Darren

Posted: December 21, 2007 at 04:02 AM (#2651312)

I don't even Repoz's explanations of his intros.

MCOA, you outdid yourself in #4. Funny stuff.

14. tfbg9 Posted: December 21, 2007 at 08:44 PM (#2651763)

Well, if M*A*S*H took place in Vietnam anyway.

Well it sort of did, if you know what I mean.

15. Dr Love Posted: December 21, 2007 at 08:54 PM (#2651777)

Well it sort of did, if you know what I mean.

Korea, Vietnam... all those Asian countries are the same.

16. Loren F. Posted: December 21, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2651779)

Though set in Korea, M*A*S*H was consciously an anti-war satire on America's involvement in Vietnam. The Vietnam War was going when when the film came out and also when the TV show debuted.

Edit: I noted that it was set in Korea, just in case that's not obvious.

17. tfbg9 Posted: December 21, 2007 at 08:57 PM (#2651780)

Nah, I meant it projected Vietman era-sensiblilities onto a Korean Conflict backdrop.

18. tfbg9 Posted: December 21, 2007 at 08:59 PM (#2651784)

Oh, and it sucked, mostly, and I mean the TV show. Especially when it got all overly preachy, which was what, the 2nd episode?

19. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: December 21, 2007 at 09:31 PM (#2651808)

It didn't really get preachy until the Alan Alda EP era, when it got more-or-less intolerably preachy.

20. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 21, 2007 at 10:15 PM (#2651835)

Tolerable preachiness is hard to achieve.

21. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: December 21, 2007 at 10:41 PM (#2651849)

Stupid anti-war message. War is good!

22. Dan Szymborski

Posted: December 21, 2007 at 11:01 PM (#2651861)

I think that M*A*S*H has really aged poorly. I re-watched the run a few months ago and I was suprised how much less amusing I found it than the first time around (though my first time around was the second time around for people because I was born in the 70s).

I also recently finished re-watching the run of MacGyver, which also hasn't aged well, but is still pretty entertaining even though there are some camp overtones, like the episode in which MacGyver helps his singer friend with her Anti-Drug music video or when MacGyver teaches gang members of each race and gender how to get along with each other.

Now, watching MacGyver this time around, I fully realized what a terrifying organization the Phoenix Foundation was. In the show, they don't even seem to be under sovereignty to the United States!

23. spycake Posted: December 21, 2007 at 11:08 PM (#2651866)

I think this Santana report is actually a couple days old already, and was mostly de-bunked by the Twins beat writer here.

You may continue the M*A*S*H discussion, however. As anachronistic as it may have been, it was light years better than Kelly's Heroes, in that respect.

24. baudib Posted: December 21, 2007 at 11:13 PM (#2651870)

The worst thing about being a Red Sox fan is that every winter is spent agonizing over one transaction that takes three months and probably doesn't happen anyway.

Then you really have nothing to complain about. Really now.

25. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: December 21, 2007 at 11:17 PM (#2651872)

Now, watching MacGyver this time around, I fully realized what a terrifying organization the Phoenix Foundation was. In the show, they don't even seem to be under sovereignty to the United States!

Dana Elcar was the head of the Tri-Lateral Commission for years.

26. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: December 21, 2007 at 11:44 PM (#2651894)

As anachronistic as it may have been, it was light years better than Kelly's Heroes, in that respect.

Did you mean Hogan's Heroes? Cuz if you're dissing Kelly's Heroes, why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

27. Sexy Lizard Posted: December 21, 2007 at 11:51 PM (#2651898)

Then you really have nothing to complain about. Really now.

Well, I always get the idea that the front office consists of a bunch of drama queens. In high school they would have gotten into weird social scrapes just so they could run and cry on each other's shoulders. In college they slept with their best friends' significant others and then tearfully admitted it to their other friends just so they could wonder if they should confess or not and maybe ruin their relationship with their BFF. And in a Major League front office they let slip that they're going to trade Manny, then fret about what would happen if they trade Manny and try to look stoic in press conferences about if they are going to trade Manny, which would not have happened if they had not let slip that they were going to trade Manny, which they weren't really going to do, they wanted to bring some drama into their existences, because they need the emotional charge just to feel alive.

It's embarrassing.

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