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2-I'm shocked that Bryce would be considered over Mantle. I mean, Mantle's the gold standard when it comes to talented kids. But I do like the idea of 8 tools-I can see the point against the Mick there.
3-If I'm picking under 25'er's, I might be going with Stanton first. The kid is 23, has already hit 67 homers, is coming off 118 and 143 OPS years, has hit 11 homers this month and just tears the cover off the ball-real moon shots.He can even field a bit. What more could you want?
In order as of right now...
Stanton
Harper
Trout (Who, aiding his case,just launched one)
4-That said, Gawd, I love watching Harper play. I hate to sound all MSM and blither, but it seems as if every time I turn the TV on he's taking an extra base or making a phenomenal play in the OF or stealing home against Hamels (Probably gonna be my favorite moment of the season and it's only May)-the kid is a blast and has no only the complete package talent wise, but seems to have the smarts and the aggressiveness too.
Who wouldn't? He's still a damn good ballplayer but, surprisingly, it's mostly because of defense. He had 2.4 WAR last year despite all the missed time and crappy hitting and is on a 3.5 WAR pace this year.
But, just about 15 months ago, I was heavily criticized by some here for daring to suggest his career would likely be somewhere just a bit short of Reggie or Stargell (which is about where ZiPS put him). Also he'll be arb eligible at the end of this year so his cheapness will begin wearing off.
Stanton is well above him at this point. Stanton's even got his K-rate down below 1 per 4 AB.
Ignoring Doc Gooden, the most impressive 19-year-olds in baseball history are probably Mickey Mantle, Mel Ott, Ty Cobb and Ken Griffey Jr. Harper's outperforming those guys so far.
I hate everything.
A rough gem being polished in the bigs, but still a bit rough. It's pretty fun to watch the process unfold.
See now, that's just some f*cked up sh*t. Why? Why don't you watch AL baseball. Hell, I like all baseball. I caught a bit of that Nats/Braves 3rd game on reply yesterday and it was great...and my favourite team is an AL team. I don't mind anyone being passionate and homer for their team, but this stance is just belligerent and ridiculous. If you are really a fan of baseball, it doesn't matter who is playing as long as the game played is played well.
Yikes, I think there is more truth in this than I would like to admit.
I wouldn't, at least not for the reason cited. I've seen no evidence they've gotten on him about being patient. His K-rate has been steady and his BB rate remains excellent.* I think they did get on him about Ks but they probably should have to some extent. What has concerned me about him up to now was his GB/FB rate which is much, much better this year. He's not a GB machine this year.
Anyway, I can't say the Braves haven't messed him up but, if they did, it doesn't seem related to patience.
*His walk rate has been lower 2011-12 than in 2010 but his rookie year walk rate was already about as good as it gets and nearly certain to come down.
Because I don't like AL baseball?
This is vapid and devoid of merit to the point of being a vacuum.
Let me explain what has "messed him up."
1. Injuries.
2. Big league pitching.
Heyward's biggest problem has been his inability to stay healthy. His second biggest problem has been the gaping hole in his swing that MLB pitchers found sometime around the 2010 NLDS, which he never closed in 2011, and which he spent the entire off-season attempting to rebuild his mechanics around in order to close in 2012. The idea that it's a problem of the organization telling him he was "too patient" is so wrongheaded as to be pathetic. Heyward didn't lose his game because the Braves told him to hit worse. He lost his game because he found a level of competition that is at least as good, if not better than him, for the first time in his life, and he hasn't adjusted to how they're getting him out yet.
...and now you understand Sam, BBTF's new Kevin.
Don't worry, just realize that it's all an act: he's not even a Braves fan actually, he's a fan of the Minnesota Twins playing a "funny role" on this site.
I'm starting to think you have a little shrine set up to me in your bedroom closet. It's cute, if a bit disturbing.
EDIT: I also love that I'm the "new Kevin," as if I don't actually predate Kevin at Primer.
Bwa-ha-ha-ha. Yep, we're a good now team now chumps, and you'd better get used to it, because we're going to be for the next few years.
Oh, and I'm afraid I've got even more bad news for the haters: Michael Morse is coming back in about a week and a half.
Oh, and I'm afraid I've got even more bad news for the haters: Michael Morse is coming back in about a week and a half.
In spite of being a Phillies fan, the overall baseball fan in me wants to root for the Nationals to be good. However, the one man gang of Joey B. might move me into his "haters" group, which I don't think existed before Joey B started his gloatfest. Any NL East follower saw the Nats as a real threat. We'll see how the young arms hold up down the stretch and Strasburg disappears sometime in August. It's going to be quite an interesting year, especially if the Mets continue to surprise.
Ideas, newsletter, subscribe, etc.
And that's fine, I certainly don't expect the team to be liked by everyone; no team is.
But did they honestly believe that all the grief wouldn't be rebounding right back in the other direction when the tide finally turned? Well, get real; that's not how these things work.
I can't imagine a scenario where a right thinking person roots for the Nationals. It's not like rooting for the Mets - sort of the baseball equivalent of being hooked on kiddie porn - but it's right up there with being that guy that wants his lover to poop in his mouth.
Let him who is without ...
Oh, never mind.
How am I trolling? I'm simply calling you an annoying poster with regards to the Nats start this year.
That'll happen when you steal another city's team.
Those last eight words were superfluous.
Well stolen long before I was born, and stolen from another thief at that. Many things happened in the 1960s that I had no control or input into.
I enjoyed this sequence of posts:
93. Sam Hutcheson is the Rickey Henderson of... Posted: May 28, 2012 at 10:02 PM (#4141897)
How on earth does Adam Jones get in that conversation?
94. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 28, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4141899)
sam
you don't think adam jones is fun to watch?
97. Sam Hutcheson is the Rickey Henderson of... Posted: May 28, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4141904)
I've never really seen much of Jones play. I don't watch AL baseball.
Joey is Bud Selig? Things are actually starting to make a certain amount of sense now ...
bud has an admin handle his email
the notion that he enters into an interactive chat forum is absurd
you might as well ask a lemur to to make an image of itself with a balloon
Well, then what's your excuse for not halting the thievery in 2005? Presumably you were around then. Why weren't you crying "PENSER AUX ENFANTS!!!"
Yeah, this is how I feel too. Joey is going after a lot a pretty serious strawman here, I think everyone agreed the Nats had a chance to be good. I don't know what they have as far as pitching depth so how they hold up as the season goes on feels like a very fair question.
I think the combination of them being legitimately good and Philadelphia and Atlanta looking worse than expected helps their chances a lot. I'm not a big believer in the Mets or the Marlins.
Seriously--as if Joey weren't annoying enough before he had a good team to root for. I echo the mystification about the "Nats haters" stuff; if anything, before this year there were a lot of "Nats ignorers," but that doesn't strike me as the same thing. Anyway, they're an interesting team with a lot of fun players and my own team blows arse, so I'd be happy to root for the Nats on a bandwagon basis, but any sort of Joey B association's definitely not an incentive.
Strawmen, my behind. Having to hear about how we stole our team (from a guy who roots for a "stolen team" no less) is exactly what I'm talking about and just proves my point.
That's fine; he can keep that up, and we'll just keep kicking the Braves' teeth out of their heads like we just did over the weekend.
Poop eater.
At least, not when you're 13. In any event, I love the post-hoc self-justification.
There may be no higher calling than to dedicate my life to seeing this happen.
Also Conigliaro. So far Harper looks like he has a chance to be the best 19-year-old ever, but he's got a long ways to go.
What position do you play for the Nats?
How does one hate indivisulally? I'd hate to think there was a subcategory of hate that I haven't fully explored yet.
I see into their sad, tortured, damaged souls.
And kill them?
It's all political tribalism when you drill down, revealingly enough.
Well, I'm not a Hutcheson apologist either. I do find him occasionally amusing/insightful (at least, on certain topics), even amid the vitriol and bile (which, yes, is frequent and over the top).**
Joey strikes me as a whiny, generally humorless buffoon, on pretty much all subjects, irrespective of his political views or baseball rooting interests.
**And also, I'm convinced, often tongue-in-cheek. Kind of a BBTF lefty version of Ann Coulter.
Also: I hate the damn Braves anyway, so how I feel about Hutcheson doesn't affect my feelings about them one iota.
Well, except no one gave the reason they can't root for the Nats was because YOU were a damned conservative. And plenty of people hate Sam and the Braves because of Sam.
If one accepts your conclustion, the tribalism that it's attributal to gets turned around onto the conclusion itself very easily. I disagree with your conclusion regardless.
EDIT: Also, comparing Sam and Joey in tone and content is a pretty terrible read on both of them.
134 - he's actually only 26 right now, but fair enough.
1. People "hate on Joey B." because he's an asshat in virtually every engagement he enters.
2. What are my "horrible sins" exactly? Should I ever want to confess a bulleted list would be so much easier.
3. The idea that I'm a "bleeding-heart liberal" is ####### fantastic, but not how you think it is.
4. I have "apologists?" God, I'm ####### awesome.
5. People actually hate the Braves as some sort of transference of heat from their white hot hatred of me? God, I am *so ####### awesome!*
Noted and nodded.
A pimple on the butt of Tom Glavine is still worth hating for its connection to Tom Glavine.
lolwut? Mockery /= whining. Also, this:
Having to hear about how we stole our team (from a guy who roots for a "stolen team" no less) is exactly what I'm talking about and just proves my point.
and
I don't think that any team has had to put up with more crap in this place over the last several years than the Nats have. Hell, it started pretty much from the day the team moved to Washington.
I report, you decide.
An audience! <removes hat; bows deeply>
What I can never understand is the people who don't have him on ignore*. He adds nothing to any conversation but bile and stupidity. There was a time when people assumed he was kevin's sock puppet, but kevin was never so aggressively stupid.
*and for those of us who do, please refrain from quoting him in your responses.
The furious rebranding from King Douchhat to The Next Mickey Mantle sure has been, um, interesting to watch. Apparently there are some folks in MLB marketing who know what they're doing.
every now and then he has a worthwhile observation about the Nationals
his domestic policy stuff is no worse than GF's and at least he doesn't have GF's vague intellectual pretensions...
Fixed that for you!
Oh, ########. I don't ever touch the political threads; I hate Joey B (and have him on ignore) because he's the most astoundingly stupid dickwad on the face of the earth, incapable of saying anything interesting or insightful, and generally only interested in starting ludicrous fights about steroids and other issues I don't care about.
Sam annoys the #### out of me most of the time but at least there does appear to be a thinking organ rattling around inside his skull.
Who else are you going to turn to for gems like "poop eater?"
Well yeah, I think the biggest reason for that is that it was two years ago.
And seriously, I was one of those who was basically saying "hey kid, get over yourself." I love his game though, he hustles, he seems to have respect for those around him and he's saying all the right things. Whether he's changed, I've changed, or the stories have changed I don't know, probably all three, but he's quickly become a player I love to watch play.
FWIW, this is news to me. Also, I feel like Sam goes a few rounds with at least a couple of posters in any thread he posts in, so I wouldn't say people are "forgiving his sins."
*and for those of us who do, please refrain from quoting him in your responses.
Thank you. It amazes me that there are people who don't have him on ignore. He's the most hateful person I've ever encountered on the web -- quite an accomplishment.
And Peter Angelos. (Mostly earned, of course. But it's one thing to criticize his management of the Orioles. Quite another to reference the fact that he's Greek constantly and call him a shyster.)
I have taken your advice to heart, gentlemen.
I have a 9 year old and a 5 year old, so I'm pretty set for poop-related humor.
And having read Sam's posts on the Braves, Hawks, and Falcons, I can honestly say that no series of Internet postings brought me more joy than him agonizing over having the Nationals/Celtics/Giants destroy his hometown teams this year. His hysterical rantings over how the fix is always in against Atlanta... so delicious! Just thinking about them makes me so happy!
I know where you live.
I watched Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back on Sunday night. The scene at the end where they go to the homes of people who badmouthed them on the internet and beat the crap out of them gets me everytime. I love the concept of doing that and I love the idea of a Law and Order type show using that as the crime they have to solve.
Way to to remind me, Harveys, of all the hours I wasted expectantly watching Lemur Island at the Phoenix Zoo while I was in grad school.
So, kudos.
Looks even stupider posted a second time.
If he were Greek only sporadically, I'm not sure it would be any better, to be honest.
Seriously. The Mets get crapped on. No one even cares about the Nats.
Sam annoys the #### out of me most of the time but at least there does appear to be a thinking organ rattling around inside his skull.
It might be in there but it's not getting much use.
Will you come to my house and complain in person? Because that would be AWESOME.
Seriously. I'd break my own 'no Orange County under any circumstances' rule to watch that.
Also fans of a team that win their division 20 years in a row and ##### about it are never welcome.
Also - the tomahawk chop.
If this is in response to [182], it's ad hominem at its worst. [182] (and [184] actually) are, word for word, completely true.
Well, okay, 'no one cares about the Nats' is clearly not literally true, as we're working up to a 3-page thread right now about how much certain people do care about them. But the bizarre persecution complex still perplexes me. When it comes to teams taking crap at BBTF, Yanks/Red Sox, Mets, A's, and Dusty Baker are head and shoulders above the crowd. Nats are on par with M's, O's, Cards, Tommy Lasorda; second-tier at BEST.
Directing name-calling, insults and threats toward posters who dare have an opinion that differs from yours. An abundance of uncivil behavior at a website that is supposedly for the benefit of "thinking fans". It's not a schtick, although there are any number of other names for it, none of them flattering.
It's not the Braves, it's that plastic city they play in and their zombie chop. Move the team to Athens and torch those tomahawks, and the Braves will be no more despised than the Rockies or the Royals.
They've never been anything but a class 1 grade A franchise, have they?
No, Sam, you're confusing them with the Yankees.
Come on, man. Be fair. I also direct name-calling, insults and threats toward posters who share my opinions too.
You must be *this high* to ride. Sorry.
And the Braves managed to win a game tonight. I blame Jose Constanza.
RLM was insane, but his shtick could be amusing, especially when someone attempted to challenge his logic. And he was not a one shot and run-away kind of guy.
As a troll, Joey could not hold his jock.
A. Not a Yankees fan.
B. See A.True. Stalinists not known for being "bleeding-heart." Unless they offended Stalin.
He also said you have ask for the specific document you want and the specific use you are going to put it to, otherwise the archivist will eye you suspicously and claim to not know how to help you.
With what I have previously heard about how Chinese archives work, I've never been happier that I study English history.
In my mind Sam's greatest sin is that he's actually proud of the Braves and derides other teams. My debilitating worship of self-deprecation spreads even into my baseball fandom. A proper fan thinks his team sucks and openly envies its rivals. Also, he once derided me as a boy stuck in arrested development for not liking to wear suits - I have always considered telling hard truths to be a grievous sin.
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