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Wednesday, August 08, 2012

WaPo: The Nats react to Roger Bernadina’s game-ending catch

Instead BEING the seasonal catch, “The Shark” makes the catch of the season:

By now, you’ve no doubt seen Roger Bernadina’s absurd 12th inning catch from Tuesday night, a catch that clinched the Nats’ fourth straight win, sent them 24 games over .500 for the first time, and sparked a wave of amazement.

“HE MADE THE CATCH! HE DID IT!” Dave Jageler Charlie Slowes said.

“I’ve never seen anything like that in my life,” F.P. Santangelo said.

“You’ve just seen the greatest catch in Roger Bernadina’s career, and maybe — maybe — the best outfield play in the young history of this ballclub,” Bob Carpenter said.

“Arguably the best game-ending catch you will see this year,” Buster Olney tweeted.

“That’s why otherwise sensible people (on vacation) stay up after midnight to watch pennant race baseball,” Boz tweeted.

“MY F*****G BLOOD PRESSURE!” one Nat said in the clubhouse after the game.

Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:00 AM | 109 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. TerpNats Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4203155)
Actually, Jageler made the call on radio; Steinberg initially put Slowes' name up, then crossed it out.
   2. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4203158)
Here's the video. It's not that spectacular of a play.
   3. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4203160)
Yeah, I was expecting something more impressive than that. A great play, but doesn't really live up to the hype.
   4. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4203162)
Dammit, how did that happen? Would it be at all possible for a moderator to edit this post? Take everything out before "Instead of BEING the seasonal catch"....

I hate this submisstion system. So clugy, so unforgiving, no way to go back and fix mistakes.
   5. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4203164)
“Arguably the best game-ending catch you will see this year,” Buster Olney tweeted.


Agreed, because you can definitely argue it and that's a really small pool of noteworthy plays.
   6. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4203167)
It wasn't the catch to end all catches but it was a dramatic one.
   7. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4203169)
It's a nice play, no doubt. But from the write-up I was expecting something... more.
   8. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4203171)
The catch Bernadina made last year was definitely better than this one, but the circumstances in that game last year weren't what they were yesterday. And when that ball first came off the bat I thought for sure it was gone, or at least a game-ending gapper.
   9. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4203176)
I think the oversell is probably due to the fact that the *announcers* lost sight of Bernadino as he went behind the pylon, which made them think it was a harder play than it was. He ran down a fly ball to the gap.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4203177)
It's a nice play, no doubt. But from the write-up I was expecting something... more.


Same here. I really thought it was going to be spectacular.
   11. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4203178)
The ball didn't look that well struck; it was only close to "gone" because it was in Houston.
   12. Dale Sams Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4203189)
You guys are such curmudgeons. I thought it was worth every iota of excitement it created.
   13. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:43 AM (#4203190)
Well, it's a cool catch because of the way he hops out of view.
   14. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4203194)
Bernadina jumps into the wall at full speed. All y'all is crazy, great catch.

Ok, the announcers go over the top. Still a great catch.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4203195)
You guys are such curmudgeons. I thought it was worth every iota of excitement it created.


It was a nice catch and a great way to end a ballgame. But do you think it was worthy of creating "I’ve never seen anything like that in my life,” kind of comments?

   16. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4203197)
If it had been a little more the other way towards the Crawford boxes it probably would have been gone, and it definitely would have won the game. Luckily it stayed more in the middle where Minute Maid gets deep in a hurry. That ball went something like 380-390 into that little well cutout area.

You guys are such curmudgeons.

Well, Hutcheson is just a bitter Atlanta fan. Whatever the true quality of that catch was, what was spectacular yesterday was the way Cole Hamels utterly humiliated the Braves.
   17. Dale Sams Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4203199)
do you think it was worthy of creating "I’ve never seen anything like that in my life,” kind of comments?




Maybe they meant as a game-ending, game-saving catch.
   18. Kiko Sakata Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4203201)
I thought it was worth every iota of excitement it created.


I don't know that anybody above is really disagreeing with that. Within the context of the game, watching it as it happens, of course a Nats fan is going to be justifiably excited to see the game end on a play like that. And I agree with #13, his disappearing from view briefly kind of adds to the coolness factor. But just the technical merit of the catch: that's not really in the conversation for best play of the year; it's nowhere near as impressive as Trout robbing a home run from a few weeks ago, for example.
   19. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:51 AM (#4203202)
Maybe you had to be there.
   20. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4203203)
Double Post
   21. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4203204)

The wolf blows feebly, and the house tilts backwards equally feebly.
Maggie claps her hands in enthusiasm.

Homer: That was good, but not great.
   22. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4203208)
Whatever the true quality of that catch was, what was spectacular yesterday was the way Cole Hamels utterly humiliated the Braves.


The wannabes and hangers on always adjudge themselves by reference to their betters.
   23. Dale Sams Posted: August 08, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4203212)
that's not really in the conversation for best play of the year; it's nowhere near as impressive as Trout robbing a home run from a few weeks ago, for example.


Oh I agree, to his credit though, he did cover a hell of a lot of ground.
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4203220)
Maybe they meant as a game-ending, game-saving catch.


I doubt it's the best game-ending, game-saving catch FP has seen.

Reading the comments in the excerpt (but not Sam's) before seeing the video, I assumed I was going to see something like the Wise play or the Trout play or the Buehrle play.

Or something like this. Now that was a "holy crap" moment.
   25. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4203221)
I agree completely that Hamels is better than anyone on Atlanta and someone they ought to judge themselves by. He certainly proved it with the way he breezily dominated the poor overmatched Braves last night.
   26. Boxkutter Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4203226)
Am I the only one here who had no idea that Roger Bernadina was black?
   27. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4203232)
It also looked more dramatic because he leapt--he didn't need to, looks like he did (understandably) because he wasn't certain where he was in relation to the pylon.

Very very nice catch in a big situation, a lot of guys wouldn't have made it. But I don't think it deserves the word "spectacular."
   28. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4203233)
The catch linked to in #24 was hella impressive, but shouldn't that have been a HR instead of an out? If the defender leaves the field of play to record the catch, that shouldn't be an out, right?
   29. zack Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4203236)
I think the oversell is probably due to the fact that the *announcers* lost sight of Bernadino as he went behind the pylon, which made them think it was a harder play than it was. He ran down a fly ball to the gap.


What, you mean noted paragons of objectivity Bob Carpenter and FP Santangelo overreacted to a Nats play? Unthinkable.

Related to nothing, Carpenter says "are you kidding me?" way too often. Like twice a game.
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:12 PM (#4203238)
The catch linked to in #24 was hella impressive, but shouldn't that have been a HR instead of an out? If the defender leaves the field of play to record the catch, that shouldn't be an out, right?


No. As long as he doesn't come down before he catches the ball, the out is recorded. A player wouldn't be allowed to leap the fence, establish his feet, and record the out.

   31. JJ1986 Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4203245)
Am I the only one here who had no idea that Roger Bernadina was black?


Torii Hunter also did not know.
   32. dr. scott Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4203246)
Blanco has made at least two catches this season that were better, and one was in the perfect game, but netiher was the last out... though it was close in the perfect game.

The situation, the fact that he lept out of view and the fact that he probably crashed into the wall really make this one an exciting play though.
   33. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4203253)
No. As long as he doesn't come down before he catches the ball, the out is recorded. A player wouldn't be allowed to leap the fence, establish his feet, and record the out.
That seems logical, but where do the rules make that clear?

They address that a guy can fall into the stands after making a catch (in which case runners can advance), and they define a catch in 2.00, but I don't see where it's clear that you can't vault a low fence (as say in Fenway's RF) and make a legal catch.
   34. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4203255)
No. As long as he doesn't come down before he catches the ball, the out is recorded. A player wouldn't be allowed to leap the fence, establish his feet, and record the out.


Interesting. Good to know. Seems a bit arbitrary, but the line has to be drawn somewhere arbitrary at the end of the day.
   35. McCoy Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4203257)
What I find incredible is that the Nationals have needed to play extra innings to get two wins against the Astros and needed the Astros to play like the Bad News Bears in the first act to win the first game.
   36. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4203258)
If you stand on top of the wall to make a catch, make sure you're standing in a place where, if the ball bounced there, it would bounce back onto the field of play/.
   37. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4203262)
“You’ve just seen the greatest catch in Roger Bernadina’s career, and maybe — maybe — the best outfield play in the young history of this ballclub,” Bob Carpenter said.


Googling "Amazing catch Washington Nationals" gives me this leaping Roger Bernadina catch from last year.

EDIT: Wrong year.
   38. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:34 PM (#4203263)
Googling "Amazing catch Washington Nationals" gives me this leaping Roger Bernadina catch from earlier this year.
Much more impressive. That was Edmonds-esque.
   39. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4203266)
That is a fantastic catch, and all the more impressive for lacking a Jim Edmonds dive. He caught it full speed on the run.
   40. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:36 PM (#4203269)
Heh, I do miss Todd Coffey a little bit
   41. TerpNats Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4203271)
DA, that Bernadina catch was from last year. Until last night, that may have been the best catch in Nats history, though it wasn't anywhere as game-saving. (I recall Ryan Church made a fine play in 2005 to help save a win at Pittsburgh.)
   42. Kurt Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4203275)
The catch linked to in #24 was hella impressive, but shouldn't that have been a HR instead of an out? If the defender leaves the field of play to record the catch, that shouldn't be an out, right?

We've had a thread on that catch before (see posts 11-16), in which I asked this exact question. It doesn't seem clear from the rules one way or the other.
   43. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4203276)
Todd Coffey is unfortunately in the very early stages of Tommy John recovery, but you can witness a younger, left-handed version if you watch a Diamondbacks game.
   44. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:42 PM (#4203277)
DA, that Bernadina catch was from last year.


Yes, I edited my post to reflect that.
   45. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4203280)
Related to nothing, Carpenter says "are you kidding me?" way too often. Like twice a game.


Well, are they? Don't leave us in suspense.
   46. SoSH U at work Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4203283)
That seems logical, but where do the rules make that clear?

They address that a guy can fall into the stands after making a catch (in which case runners can advance), and they define a catch in 2.00, but I don't see where it's clear that you can't vault a low fence (as say in Fenway's RF) and make a legal catch.


OK, what I said above was only half right (I think). He can't establish contact with the other side, but it isn't as simple as just being in air. He must also have part of his foot somewhere inside the field of play, as noted in the rulebook here (assuming the same rule applies to fair balls as foul balls. It's the closest thing to an on-point ruling I've found):

A fielder, in order to make a catch on a foul ball nearing a dugout or other out-of-play area (such as the stands), must have one or both feet on or over the playing surface (including the lip of the dugout) and neither foot on the ground inside the dugout or in any other out-of-play area.

In this case, it's impossible to tell for certain whether any of his body was still in the field of play when he made the catch. If you look at the still image in one of the other linked You Tube videos, you can see that it was going to be really close (though my guess is since the ball was likely moving faster than the foot, he was just barely in play when the catch was recorded).

   47. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4203293)
In this case, it's impossible to tell for certain whether any of his body was still in the field of play when he made the catch. If you look at the still image in one of the other linked You Tube videos, you can see that it was going to be really close (though my guess is since the ball was likely moving faster than the foot, he was just barely in play when the catch was recorded).


Yeah, it's really really close, and my assumption going in (base instinct; i.e. wild guess) would be that if his entire body were already over the fence when he made the catch, it shouldn't be an out. But on that play (especially in the minors) the umps going to give the out for the effort, I suspect.

I'd love to see something like this come up in the Majors, say in a playoff game in Fenway or something.
   48. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4203297)
Bob Carpenter's homerism is beginning to give Hawk Harrelson a run for his money.
   49. SoSH U at work Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4203300)
But on that play (especially in the minors) the umps going to give the out for the effort, I suspect.


It was a college conference tournament game, so he essentially saved his team's season (though the homer would have only tied the score). And his coach was retiring after the season, so the catch assured him at least one more game.
   50. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4203301)
I still wish one of the mods would please fix my broken original post. It's KILLING ME.
   51. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4203303)
Speaking of rules, I've asked this before, and there was probably an obvious answer, but I've always wondered about a player doing the following:

Runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs, tie game, bottom of the ninth. Sac fly wins the game.

Deep flyball to the outfield, the game will apparently end whether or not the fielder makes the catch. So the fielder does this: instead of catching the ball, he immediately juggles it, bouncing it between his glove and his bare hand. And continuing to juggle the ball, he simply strolls in towards the infield. The runner can't tag up yet, because no out has been recorded.

I mean, I'm sure if it happened, the loophole would be closed immediately. But could you get away with it once?
   52. SoSH U at work Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4203307)
Deep flyball to the outfield, the game will apparently end whether or not the fielder makes the catch. So the fielder does this: instead of catching the ball, he immediately juggles it, bouncing it between his glove and his bare hand. And continuing to juggle the ball, he simply strolls in towards the infield. The runner can't tag up yet, because no out has been recorded.


I mean, I'm sure if it happened, the loophole would be closed immediately. But could you get away with it once?



The loophole was closed long ago. The runner can leave as soon as the fielder touches the ball, not when he catches it.

Back in the early days, the rule did indeed require possession, and one outfielder (I believe King Kelly, because he specialized in #### like that, God bless him), would do just as you said, intentionally juggling the ball while he jogged toward the infield.

   53. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4203315)
Speaking of media guys, I truly detest our local D.C. sports media with just about every fiber of my being. This may very well be the best baseball team this city has had in about three generations, and the only thing these guys want to talk about is the 12 or so meaningless snaps that Robert Griffin III will be taking in the Redskins first meaningless preseason game tomorrow.

I'm not saying they shouldn't talk about the Redskins at all (yeah right), but it sure would be nice if this team was treated as more than just a distracting side note. They're getting more attention nationally now than they are in their own town, and it just drives me up the freaking wall.
   54. AROM Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4203317)
Yup, there's no open loophole there. A few years ago I saw Brandon Moss do that (unintentionally). The announcers educated the audience about the specifics of the rule.
   55. OsunaSakata Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4203321)
Just me $.02, but I think that if an outfielder lands outside the fence, it should be ruled a home run even if the ball was caught.

Anyway, I wanted to hijack this thread for something bothering me since Trout robbed Hardy earlier this year. Here's the Trout catch.

Now I remember that in 2010, Nyjer Morgan made a nearly identical catch at nearly the identical location at Camden Yards. Morgan's catch.

In my opinion, Morgan's catch was better but YMMV. Yet people act as if nothing like Trout's catch had ever been done before, when I think it had.
   56. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4203324)
Speaking of media guys, I truly detest our local D.C. sports media with just about every fiber of my being. This may very well be the best baseball team this city has had in about three generations, and the only thing these guys want to talk about is the 12 or so meaningless snaps that Robert Griffin III will be taking in the Redskins first meaningless preseason game tomorrow.
Dear god I could not agree with this more. I mean, let's not kid ourselves: sportstalk radio isn't exactly a haven of intelligent thought and conversation anyway. But it is usually the way I fill the drive time on the way to work and back, lunch, going to court etc...and it's actually beginning to feel like some sort of weird performance-art joke the way the only two sportstalk stations in the DC focus on the most ridiculously minute trivialities concerning the preseason of a team that, as one of the radio guys admitted the other day, will be lucky to win FIVE GAMES this season. Meanwhile, literally the only time the 1st place Nats get mentioned for a five-minute repetitive conversation about "should they shut Strasburg down?!??" (NEWSFLASH: There are other interesting subjects to talk about w/r/t this team.)

106.7 WJFK is truly terrible in this regard. It's the official Nationals station (broadcasts their games), and yet every show is geared towards the Redskins. It's particularly insulting in the afternoon with "LaVar and Dukes," namely former Redskin LaVar Arrington and some guy...their lack of interest in any sport except football is practically BUILT IN to the concept of the show.

That said, the Washington Post has been pretty good about their Nats coverage this season. Boz is in fine form, they have a sharp beat writer (Adam Kilgore) on the team, and the Nats Journal blog is constantly updated and fairly interesting.

EDIT: One tiny thing I have noticed that I like: all of my favorite DC political reporters (both partisan and MSM) are obviously huge Nats fans, as evidenced by their Twitter feeds...every night at around 7:00PM or so their tweets change over from "here's the latest analysis of polling data" to "ZOMG DID YOU SEE WHAT ADAM LAROCHE JUST DID." I like that.
   57. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4203325)
Neither of those catches is as good as Otis Nixon's against Andy Van Slyke.
   58. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4203326)
It's particularly insulting in the afternoon with "LaVar and Dukes," namely former Redskin LaVar Arrington and some guy

Not Elijah Dukes?
   59. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4203334)
Not Elijah Dukes?
See, now I would listen to that.
   60. Jim Wisinski Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4203335)
Anyway, I wanted to hijack this thread for something bothering me since Trout robbed Hardy earlier this year. Here's the Trout catch.

Now I remember that in 2010, Nyjer Morgan made a nearly identical catch at nearly the identical location at Camden Yards. Morgan's catch.

In my opinion, Morgan's catch was better but YMMV. Yet people act as if nothing like Trout's catch had ever been done before, when I think it had.


It's always like that when a player makes that type of catch. They're excellent, difficult, and spectacular to watch of course but somehow people forget that they've seen the exact same catch made a bunch of times before.

Random thing I've wondered before: What's Torii Hunter's reputation and GG collection like if the Metrodome had 10 ft. high walls? A significant part of his reputation came from robbing home runs/near home runs and the Metrodome was the perfect park to display that particular skill because the CF wall was pretty short.
   61. Chris Needham Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4203339)
Eso -- have you actually HEARD them talk Nats? If you have, it's like that "Lousy food, but such small portions" joke.
   62. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4203342)
That said, the Washington Post has been pretty good about their Nats coverage this season. Boz is in fine form, they have a sharp beat writer (Adam Kilgore) on the team, and the Nats Journal blog is constantly updated and pretty interesting.

Agree totally. And Amanda Comak at the Times does a pretty good job as well.

I suspect that the only way the predominant sports coverage around here might ever change for the better is if one of the other teams like the Nationals or Capitals can win a championship. Until that happens, the memories of the Gibbs era combined with Dan Snyder's massive fortune and ruthless, endless propaganda will probably keep things locked in place the way they are.
   63. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4203352)
Eso -- have you actually HEARD them talk Nats? If you have, it's like that "Lousy food, but such small portions" joke.
Oh yeah, I have. That's part of my disgust, and what I was sort-of implying with "LaVarr and Dukes" -- it's so obvious that these football guys don't even have the slightest bit of interest in baseball, or depth of knowledge about the sport.

And yet it's literally the only thing worth talking about sports-wise in Washington, DC. (N.B.: Hockey is for Canadians and pussies, but then I repeat myself.)
   64. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4203354)
The runner can leave as soon as the fielder touches the ball, not when he catches it.

In our intramural (work) softball playoffs last year, I tried this on our ump -- this guy is somewhat random on getting strikes, tags, forces called correctly but he does know the rulebook and doesn't like to be questioned.

Runner on first, line drive off the pitcher's glove and the ball was gloved at the 2B's shoetops. Whether the ball hit the ground first was really hard to tell. Our guy had taken off and was doubled at first.

After the discussion about the catch settled down (the ump swore he was watching the ball all the way and the 2B did indeed catch it), I then inquired about our guy not leaving 1B until the ball the hit the pitcher's glove -- this is a can't move until the ball goes by the plate. The ump said no, he was watching the runner the whole way ... :)
   65. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4203355)
I suspect that the only way the predominant sports coverage around here might ever change for the better is if one of the other teams like the Nationals or Capitals can win a championship. Until that happens, the memories of the Gibbs era combined with Dan Snyder's massive fortune and ruthless, endless propaganda will probably keep things locked in place the way they are.


Isn't one of the sports talk stations owned by Snyder? If so, fat chance on that station.
   66. Chris Needham Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4203357)
I don't even think a championship is necessary. If one of the teams can make a deep run into the playoffs (ie: even a close NLCS loss), I think it could sway things. The Caps seemed on the verge of making the leap, but their playoff flameouts really killed that... combined with last season's crapshow.
   67. PepTech Posted: August 08, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4203363)
Can't let Buhner not get his chops....


   68. attaboy Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4203401)
Sorry but isn't the Chavez catch the best ever when you consider everything (time of year, game saving)?
   69. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4203407)
Neither of those catches is as good as Otis Nixon's against Andy Van Slyke.

Indeed. I guess I was spoiled by a decade of Andruw, but Bernadina's catch here is...nice? More than decent? Spectacular is not the right word for sure.
   70. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4203422)
Related to nothing, Carpenter says "are you kidding me?" way too often. Like twice a game.


When Dan Reeves does football on the radio, he describes something as "unbelievable" on almost every play.
   71. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4203437)
Now I remember that in 2010, Nyjer Morgan made a nearly identical catch at nearly the identical location at Camden Yards. Morgan's catch.

In my opinion, Morgan's catch was better but YMMV. Yet people act as if nothing like Trout's catch had ever been done before, when I think it had.
The ball is hit in about the same place, but Morgan's is less...I don't know, *physically* impressive because he uses the wall to get his height, Trout just elevated.
   72. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4203448)
Just got back from lunch. As I was turning on the car, the WJFK radio host was talking to Nationals GM Mike Rizzo. First question? "What can you tell me about the excitement around here for RGIII's first Redskins preseason game?"

Can't make this stuff up, folks.
   73. SoSH U at work Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4203457)
Just got back from lunch. As I was turning on the car, the WJFK radio host was talking to Nationals GM Mike Rizzo. First question? "What can you tell me about the excitement around here for RGIII's first Redskins preseason game?"


Are you ####### serious?

While I know it wouldn't happen, I'd love to see Rizzo simply hang up on the guy right there.

   74. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4203485)
When the 1st place Yankees came to DC to play the 1st place Nationals, the leading sports talk radio station devoted far more time to the possible impact of Peyton Manning renting Redskin Coach Mike Shanahan's house back in Denver.
   75. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4203501)
When the 1st place Yankees came to DC to play the 1st place Nationals, the leading sports talk radio station devoted far more time to the possible impact of Peyton Manning renting Redskin Coach Mike Shanahan's house back in Denver.
This would be funny if it were a joke. The fact that it's not a joke, but actually true, makes it downright offensive.
   76. kthejoker Posted: August 08, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4203529)
In the XBL, all home run fences are replaced by obstacle courses and all batted balls can be caught for an out.
   77. TerpNats Posted: August 08, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4203533)
Bryce Harper would become a hero among DC fans for the rest of his life if he gave a pithy, "clown question, bro"-like indictment of Redskins-centric Washington sports talk radio.
   78. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: August 08, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4203555)
Just got back from lunch. As I was turning on the car, the WJFK radio host was talking to Nationals GM Mike Rizzo. First question? "What can you tell me about the excitement around here for RGIII's first Redskins preseason game?" Can't make this stuff up, folks.

That is such a total dick move it really is almost comical.
   79. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: August 08, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4203577)
Just got back from lunch. As I was turning on the car, the WJFK radio host was talking to Nationals GM Mike Rizzo. First question? "What can you tell me about the excitement around here for RGIII's first Redskins preseason game?" Can't make this stuff up, folks.

That is such a total dick move it really is almost comical.


The proper response would be, "Nothing, I'm too busy building a playoff team, which the Redskins haven't had since Zombie Joe Gibbs left town."
   80. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: August 08, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4203579)
I suspect that the only way the predominant sports coverage around here might ever change for the better is if one of the other teams like the Nationals or Capitals can win a championship. Until that happens, the memories of the Gibbs era combined with Dan Snyder's massive fortune and ruthless, endless propaganda will probably keep things locked in place the way they are.


When I was 7, and again when I was 11, I did not have to go to school for a day because my parents took me to watch the Redskins super bowl parade.

I got out of school because the Redskins were so awesome.

And a zillion other kids around here had that same experience. The Nats are great, and I'm really enjoying them, but they haven't actually been to the playoffs since the 20's or whatever. The Caps are "chokers". I've heard rumors of a basketball team around here, but I don't believe them.

It's going to take a long time to break the Redskins stranglehold on the sporting landscape around here.
   81. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4203590)
When I was 7, and again when I was 11, I did not have to go to school for a day because my parents took me to watch the Redskins super bowl parade.
We are apparently the exact same age and had the exact same Redskins experiences. You from the MD side or the VA side?
   82. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4203596)
Wow...exactly on cue, here's LaVar Arrington with the top headline in the WaPo Sports section this afternoon: Arrington: RGIII's debut bigger than Strasburg's.

You see why the WJFK radio guy thought, in all seriousness, that the best question to ask Mike Rizzo out of the gate today was about how excited he was for a stupid REDSKINS preseason game? This is the media market we're dealing with.

Actually, the unspoken truth as to why the Redskins coverage is so overwhelming around this area -- even when it becomes ridiculous in light of the Skins' guaranteed awfulness this year and the Nats undeniable impressiveness -- is because IT SELLS, and it sells because it's a matter of demographics: the DC area is heavily African-American, they listen to sports radio in much greater proportionate numbers than other demos, and they care far more about football, on average, than they do about baseball. Really, it's about giving the listeners what they want. It just doesn't happen to be what I want.
   83. fra paolo Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4203598)
The Nats are great, and I'm really enjoying them, but they haven't actually been to the playoffs since the 20's or whatever.

I beg your pardon? That would be difficult for a franchise that started in 1969.
   84. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4203602)
Why would someone in DC care what the Montreal Expos did?

The Washington Professional Baseball Team hasn't been to the playoffs since 1933.
   85. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4203604)
You from the MD side or the VA side?


Virginia till 99, then chicago till 04, New York till 09, then back here.

I beg your pardon? That would be difficult for a franchise that started in 1969.


Come on dude. Seriously?
   86. phredbird Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4203610)
Neither of those catches is as good as Otis Nixon's against Andy Van Slyke.


man, i remember that game. it was a real wow! moment. wasn't it a 1-0 game and the only hit the braves had was a dinger? well ... i'm trying to remember!
   87. fra paolo Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4203614)
The Washington Professional Baseball Team hasn't been to the playoffs since 1933.

This is true, but that's not what was said. The Nats haven't been to the playoffs since 2005.

Come on dude. Seriously?

Yes, seriously. You can't pretend that this franchise has anything to do with the heritage of the Minnesota Twins.
   88. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4203617)
Fra paolo, what was said wasn't "this franchise", it was "they". And nobody in Minnesota cares about the heritage of the Washington Senators either. You sound like a pedantic buffoon.
   89. TerpNats Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4203622)
A Washington MLB team hasn't been to the playoffs since 1933.
Fixed. (Remember, the Homestead Grays called Washington a semi-home.)
   90. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4203639)
The whole "legacy" thing with the Nationals (and D.C. baseball) is obviously complicated. The team recognizes that, and in various ways honors the Expos, the Senators, and the Greys. And yet at the same time, due to the total crappiness of Senators II followed by the generation-long+ absence of baseball from the city, it's almost as though the team doesn't have a true local legacy at all. This is part of why it's so frustrating that they continue to get so little attention from the local image-makers, even as it looks more and more like they might finally be building a pretty special team here.

   91. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:33 PM (#4203646)
You can't pretend that this franchise has anything to do with the heritage of the Minnesota Twins.


You've convinced me. I'll go up to Baltimore and reminisce about Otto Graham and Bernie Kosar.
   92. TerpNats Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4203650)
The whole "legacy" thing with the Nationals (and D.C. baseball) is obviously complicated. The team recognizes that, and in various ways honors the Expos, the Senators and the Grays. And yet at the same time, due to the total crappiness of Senators II followed by the generation-long+ absence of baseball from the city, it's almost as though the team doesn't have a true local legacy at all. This is part of why it's so frustrating that they continue to get so little attention from the local image-makers, even as it looks more and more like they might finally be building a pretty special team here.
And the "Nationals" name not only is a tribute to what the Senators used to be called, but derives from the 1860s Washington team that was one of the powers of the pre-professional era. (In fact, the first D.C. team with that name, in the late 1850s, was comprised largely of government workers, something I'm certain many federal employees would appreciate.)
   93. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: August 08, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4203667)
man, i remember that game. it was a real wow! moment. wasn't it a 1-0 game and the only hit the braves had was a dinger? well ... i'm trying to remember!


Yes. David Justice had put the Braves up 1-0 on a solo shot. Van Slyke drove a ball to deep RCF at the old AFCS. Nixon ran a mile into the gap, timed it, leaped the equivalent of Trout's leap to get halfway up the 14 foot wall, planted his left leg on the padding and leapt a second time off the wall itself and pulled back what would have been a game tying HR.

It was the best OF play I've ever seen, inclusive of Andruw Jones' original "Spiderman" catch against deep CF wall at the Ted.
   94. Nasty Nate Posted: August 08, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4203688)
Was there ever another angle shown? Otherwise, there is a chance Bernadina didn't actually catch it. From that view, it could have plausibly bounced against the wall in the blind spot. But I'm guessing someone would have seen it if he in fact didn't catch it.
   95. fra paolo Posted: August 08, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4203690)
Fra paolo, what was said wasn't "this franchise", it was "they". And nobody in Minnesota cares about the heritage of the Washington Senators either. You sound like a pedantic buffoon.

a) Not being from Montreal (or Canada for that matter, although I am currently residing there, and will probably be leaving in the next year or two), I was nonetheless an Expos fan. So I sound like someone who wants to respect the impoverished legacy of Nos Amours.

b) Defying his reputation around here, Joey B's being very diplomatic. He's also right. What the current Nationals ought to represent is a new start for Washington baseball, a franchise whose Year Zero in 2005 has little to do with Expos, Greys, Twins or Rangers. It makes no sense to connect them more than tenuously to Washington's American-League baseball heritage. This is a National League team. It's currently a really exciting team, with a lot of attractive players going for it. Why on earth would one want to attach them to some sad-sack AL franchise whose main claim to fame is trying to sign Gore Vidal's first (and probably last) love?
   96. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 08, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4203696)
That Washington American League franchise's main claim to fame is Walter Johnson.
   97. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: August 08, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4203705)
Why on earth would one want to attach them to some sad-sack AL franchise whose main claim to fame is trying to sign Gore Vidal's first (and probably last) love?


But in a conversation about why the Nationals do not have the same market penetration as the Redskins, it is not helpful to pretend as though 2005 was the first time there was baseball here. This area has had a baseball team for longer than it hasn't had one, and the historic awfulness of those teams for many years is part of what led to the current Redskins domination, and much more relevant to the discussion than anything the Expos did.

Believe it or not, there are plenty of people around here who remember the Senators. Frank Howard is still a beloved local figure. I refuse to accept that the Minnesota Twins have any right to the memory of Walter Johnson.

While there is no team in Montreal, I like the Nationals honoring Andre Dawson and Gary Carter. If the Expos are ever resurrected, those memories and retired numbers go back to Montreal, where they belong.

Edit- I'll give some wiggle room for, say, the A's claiming Connie Mack or the Dodgers claiming Jackie Robinson. But a team changing its name when it moves is a clear attempt to divorce itself from its history, especially in this case where the name was deliberately chosen to associate it with the former franchise.
   98. Esoteric Posted: August 08, 2012 at 06:29 PM (#4203747)
Edit- I'll give some wiggle room for, say, the A's claiming Connie Mack or the Dodgers claiming Jackie Robinson. But a team changing its name when it moves is a clear attempt to divorce itself from its history, especially in this case where the name was deliberately chosen to associate it with the former franchise.
I basically agree with you, but it should be pointed out that it would have been nonsensical for a Washington team to retain the name of the Expos, since that name itself was chosen (inexplicably) to associate the Montreal franchise with Expo '67 (the World's Fair).

Then again, we do have the Utah Jazz and the L.A. Lakers.
   99. Nats-Homer-in-DC Posted: August 08, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4203756)
No acrobatics? No juggling? Not even a dive? Call me when an outfielder channels a jester.
   100. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: August 08, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4203885)
Yes. David Justice had put the Braves up 1-0 on a solo shot. Van Slyke drove a ball to deep RCF at the old AFCS. Nixon ran a mile into the gap, timed it, leaped the equivalent of Trout's leap to get halfway up the 14 foot wall, planted his left leg on the padding and leapt a second time off the wall itself and pulled back what would have been a game tying HR.

It was the best OF play I've ever seen, inclusive of Andruw Jones' original "Spiderman" catch against deep CF wall at the Ted.


It was also in the heat of a pennant race just when the Braves had started to get good. Another good one was Devon White's shoulda been a triple play in the World Series.
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