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1. McCoy Wilfong for Money Posted: April 24, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4115204)Ford will be a horrible Branch Rickey. That is simply outside his wheelhouse.
Ford will be a horrible Branch Rickey. That is simply outside his wheelhouse.
The irony is that in that 1950 Jackie Robinson Story that was playing last week, the Branch Rickey character played by Minor Watson wasn't too bad, and even looked like a slightly thinner version of the Mahatma himself.
If it comes from Hollywood it will likely be neither.
That can be arranged. Who was it that said upon first seeing how a movie was made--makes you wonder what God could have done if he would have had enough money?
as PeeWee??
That must be a record for the most solecisms in a short sentence. Fenimore Cooper, eat your heart out.
How are those the films that you choose to mention when you list Harrison Ford's name?
Witness is from 1985. Raiders is from 1981. Freaking Last Crusade was 1989.
Witness? What Lies Beneath? Really?
The Harrison Ford Faces:
1. The Blank Stare
2. The Han Solo Smirk
3. The Surprised Look
4. The Smoldering Pissed Off Look
and the rarest one of them all. . .
5. The Tragic Loss Look
Which looks a lot like the Blank Stare.
*dives through door, tumbling through just before door closes completely*
Dude hasn't done a really good movie in, what, 20 years?
Maybe he's got a super-awesome Branch Rickey performance in him... but I'll believe it when I see it.
Yeah, he's been marking time for awhile now. At least he hasn't embarrassed himself like some greater actors (De Niro and Pacino) have done. Well, in movies, anyway. The earring is rather embarrassing.
Even if you agree with every word in the thread about how lame an actor Ford is, this statement still deserves repeating.
I think the issue is that Pacino and De Niro had much more scenic "high points" in their careers than Ford that the level they have sunk to recently makes things even more depressing.
(The fact that Pacino has an extensive scene where he hits on Adam Sandler in drag in "Jack & Jill" is probably the absolute lowest point for either Pacino/De Niro.)
For Ford to have that same extreme difference between high and low point, he'd have to participate in something like "Baby Geniuses 3".
Producer: "DID HE DO IT WITH THE HELP OF WHITE PEOPLE?"
Writer: "...Why, yes he did, but..."
Producer: "Greenlight. Oscars for everyone!"
In the 1950 film Rickey played (obviously) an important part, but the focus of the movie was always on Robinson. Of course it was made by a small company (Jewel Studios), and not by one of the octopus conglomerate studios.
If we can get Robinson fighting an octopus in this film, that would probably help the box office.
Also, you won't know Christopher Meloni from an upcoming movie, so why list that? He's the guy from Law and Order! Or at the very least, Wet, Hot, American Summer!
If we can get Robinson fighting an octopus in this film, that would probably help the box office.
Especially when the octopus grabs away Robinson's skin and we discover he's really Ty Cobb underneath.
Just like real life.
27:
See the Ray Charles and Tina Turner movie--what could they have done without Branch Rickey?
Just put me on the Waiting to Exhalewaiting list. Don't expect me to hold my breath, though.
Branch Rickey: I ALREADY WORK AROUND THE CLOCK!
Dixie Walker (on flight to St. Louis): Mr. Rickey, we've decided that we will refuse to play with any Negro. Either you cut that n***er, or we quit.
Branch Rickey: GET OFF MY PLANE!
Jackie Robinson: I love you.
Branch Rickey. I know.
And then: Harrison Ford. The guy is a movie star, not an actor; he's in the Gary Cooper mold. If I had to choose three pictures to put in parentheses after "Academy Award Nominee Harrison Ford," they'd be Witness, Presumed Innocent, and The Fugitive – prestige pictures with intelligent casting and scripts, and no excessive acting necessary. Ford just has to play a solid guy in over his head, and let the picture work around him.
As an adventure hero, he did nothing 110 other guys couldn't have done. He's fun as Indiana Jones, but most stars would have been. He's pretty Godawful as Han Solo, if you ask me, but that's part of the shtick; he's doing the Buck Rodgers thing as directed.
He's also outstandingly creepy and against-type in The Conversation, one of the very greatest American movies; but that was before he was Harrison Ford, and isn't really indicative. Nobody but Coppola would have written a part like that for him.
And the award for best picture goes to...42: The Branch Rickey Story.
And the nominees for Best Actress in a Motion Picture are....Charlize Theron for 42: The Branch Rickey Story, as the wife of Dodgers GM Branch Rickey, as she suffered the slurs and insults as the wife of the man who broke the color barrier in baseball, but showed him how to love through all the adversity.
Has the Zeitgeist has evolved to the point that it will tolerate at least a homoerotic subtextual delving into the Rickey/Robinson relationship?
His Indiana Jones is a sophomoric Sean Connery as James Bond. No charisma, no animal magnetism, just smartassisms one after another for no reason. It's funny, considering Sean Connery played Jone's father, and wipes Ford off the screen.
Actually, if you can forget about the Scots accent, Connery would be a good Branch Rickeyi--but then he'd probably overwhelm the Jackie Robinson actor.
Slipping that line past Morty is like slipping the proverbial lamb chop past the proverbial wolf. (smile)
Pacino?
DeNiro?
Walken?
Schneider?
Gibson?
Russell?
Irons?
Moore?
Murray?
Nicholson?
Reynolds?
Hurt?
Hopper?
Stallone?
Caine?
Connery?
Travolta?
Beatty?
Caan?
The Carradines?
Quaid?
Sutherland?
Eastwood?
Duvall?
Bridges?
He's pretty Godawful as Han Solo, if you ask me, but that's part of the shtick; he's doing the Buck Rodgers thing as directed.
And he is doing the same serial B movie schtick in Indiana as directed as well.
You've got a good start there, but you need to think deeper. Go for period TV stars of a certain testosterone level. Tom Selleck, Bruce Boxleitner, Ken Howard. I think we could get to more than 110 in a hurry :)
The fact that Harrison Ford is iconic as Indiana Jones doesn't mean that he's doing anything special in the role, and the fact that it's not special doesn't mean that it's bad, either.
Man. I just can't read this thread anymore. I feel as though I'm being blown backwards by a thundering wave of stupidity.
From an acting perspective, I agree. BUT...I have always felt we got very lucky that Tom ultimately wasn't available to make the movies. His 'stache would either have totally changed the character (so big you can't see his facial expressions), or the lack of it would simply have freaked us all out. It would probably play well now --- 30 years later --- given that most folks have now never seen Magnum P.I.
Nolte? I don't think Indiana Jones is in his wheelhouse. Not unless you want a gruff slightly alcoholic Indiana Jones traipsing through the jungle.
Well, he made Sizzle Beach USA in 1974 but it sat on the shelf until 1981 and wasn't given any kind of release until 1986 because by that point Costner was a star.
Honestly though, you could say that for pretty much every role in Hollywood. There are a lot of gifted actors out there who could have done a lot of the iconic roles we have come to love today.
If you're looking to approximate Rickey's looks, how about John Goodman?
Honestly though, you could say that for pretty much every role in Hollywood. There are a lot of gifted actors out there who could have done a lot of the iconic roles we have come to love today.
DeNiro could have played Pacino's Corleone just fine.
Or my grandmother.
Holy crap, that's exactly who I thought of too. Hermann would be perfect because well, frankly, Rickey shouldn't be the star of the movie.
I also find it a bit jarring when there are big name stars as popular figures. You don't lose yourself in the character, you're like "hey, its Will Smith with some weight on to look like Muhammed Ali," or "hey, its Leo DiCaprio with a fake nose!"
Kurt Russell
(Side note: I have a theory that part of this on-screen charisma is partially a product of head-body size ratios, which explains why some smaller-headed super stars (Brad Pitt e.g.)can't carry movies themselves. This sounds crazy, I know, but check it out. All big box office movie stars have giant heads--Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Cruise, Decaprio, etc.)
And if you think anyone can do what Harrison Ford does, let me direct your attention to Mr. Ben Affleck, a man who's made a career of proving that Harrison Ford and Alec Baldwin, etc. have some ineffable magnetism and gravity to their presence on screen. (see Affleck's performances in Sum of All Fears and Boiler Room) (Note: Affleck lacks the giant charismatic head of his more watchable peer Matt Damon)
Let's check out some stars from the golden age:
Big Heads: Cagney, Robinson, Astaire,
Not Big Heads: Ronald Colman, Tyrone Power, Don Ameche, Henry Fonda, Errol Flynn, Robert Montgomery, Ray Milland, Gary Cooper (not disproportionately, no), Randolph Scott, Fredric March, Herbert Marshall, Gene Kelly, Spencer Tracy, Lee Tracy, Bogart, George Raft, Charles Boyer.
Iffy? Gable, John Wayne (not proportionate wise), Fred MacMurray (big guy like Wayne), William Powell, James Stewart (late Stewart's head seems bigger, maybe having to do with age and the grooming style of the '50's), Joel McCrea.
Into the '50s and '60s. Brando maybe, Mitchum yes; Kirk Douglas, I guess so (he was a small guy).
But: Newman, Montgomery Clift, Lancaster, Jack Lemmon, Tony Curtis, Heston (yes, even with that huge body and his reputation for having a face carved out of granite), Peter O'Toole, Michael Caine no. Rock Hudson and Sean Connery, like Wayne, big head but not disproportionate to their huge body size. Gregory Peck, Richard Burton, hmm. Warren Beatty, Robert Redford, not really.
Clint Eastwood--see Wayne, Hudson, Peck, MacMurray, and Cooper
Randolph Scott?
don't necessarily agree on astaire. he was very slight in the upper body, but had powerful legs--check out how baggy his pants are, he was self conscious about them being overdeveloped--so his proportions are deceptive.
all of these guys seemed to have a head proportionate to their bodies with one exception: bogart was actually quite slender bodied, so he was more of a big head/small body type.
almost the opposite: big body/smallish head, though he had oddly small feet and hands, so maybe there was some sort of compensation at work.
of these, i'd say newman and definitely montgomery are actually large head guys. they had quite slim body types. richard burton would fall into that category too. he was not a big man, but he had a craggy big head so he looked bigger.
mel gibson is another guy who's not very big, so i think its safe to say he has a largish head.
one guy you left out that would be in the big head-to-smallish body category is steve mcqueen.
Can Boseman?
Robinson's voice could be very nasally - I heard him on an Old Time Radio broadcast where he sounded startlingly like Richard Pryor doing his White People Voice.
This could have merely been some Andy Kaufman-style performance art by J-Rob, but it does seem unlikely.
Here is the link to the story in 2008 when Spike Lee gave up the ghost on making the film.
Without looking it up, I'd guess Ford hasn't done anything good since The Fugitive. But let's not take anything away from his excellent performances prior to that -- between Star Wars, Indiana Jones, the Jack Ryan movies, Blade Runner, and the Fugitive that is a pretty impressive body of work. IIRC, Ford ad-libbed a few of the more famous Han Solo and Indiana Jones lines (including this one. He wasn't just taking directions.
Honestly though, you could say that for pretty much every role in Hollywood. There are a lot of gifted actors out there who could have done a lot of the iconic roles we have come to love today.
I tend to agree with this, and sure, Mel Gibson or whoever probably could have done a fine Indiana Jones, but there have been plenty of guys who were *bad* in similar roles, too. There's something to be said for doing your job effectively and not ####### things up.
Excellent!
His publicity people want you to know about the upcoming movie.
I don't really see Brad Pitt as someone who can't carry a movie.
Some recent comments from the great Walter Murch in a Paris Review interview are interesting on this topic:
I've always thought this "star quality" stuff was mostly BS.
It's hard for me to imagine anybody watching Harrison Ford in The Conversation, or Johnny Depp in Nightmare on Elm Street, and thinking "Who's THAT guy? THAT guy is a STAR."
Even "starmaking" bit parts feel more like coincidence than anything else. Sure Brad Pitt got noticed after Thelma and Louise. The part almost went to George Clooney. Does anybody think Clooney would've been terrible, or getting that role would've somehow stalled Clooney's career?
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