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Wednesday, September 08, 2010

Waterloo football player makes doping history

Matt Socholotiuk made history Wednesday – the wrong kind. He is now the first athlete to test positive for human growth hormone in all of North America.

The Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sports revealed further test results taken from the University of Waterloo football team and announced Socholotiuk, a first-year running back from Waterford, ON., was found with HGH in his blood sample. The CCES issued a four-year suspension; Socholotiuk appealed.

An appeal hearing was set for Aug. 16 but Socholotiuk failed to appear. Arbitrator Ed Ratushny upheld the appeal but altered the suspension to three years.

Paul D(uda) Posted: September 08, 2010 at 04:55 PM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 08, 2010 at 05:18 PM (#3636080)
What kind of evidence have they used to suspend NFL players?
   2. Greg K Posted: September 08, 2010 at 05:19 PM (#3636083)
ANOTHER CIS thread?

That McMaster-Laurier game was pretty crazy, eh?
   3. Ron Johnson Posted: September 08, 2010 at 05:25 PM (#3636094)
#1 Probably busts of doctors. Or "doctors"

There were probably NFL players using the same source as (say) Troy Glaus.
   4. deputydrew Posted: September 08, 2010 at 06:00 PM (#3636146)
Don't we all have HGH in our blood? I thought we all had naturally occurring HGH and that some have higher levels than others. I'd really like to know how they test for HGH and don't just assume that all the naturally high HGH people are cheaters.
   5. Dale Sams Posted: September 08, 2010 at 06:03 PM (#3636150)
Officials of The Universities of Chiquitita and Fernando were unavailable for comment.
   6. Randy Jones Posted: September 08, 2010 at 06:04 PM (#3636152)
Don't we all have HGH in our blood? I thought we all had naturally occurring HGH and that some have higher levels than others. I'd really like to know how they test for HGH and don't just assume that all the naturally high HGH people are cheaters.


It's better to damage the careers and reputations of ten innocent people than to see one drug cheat get away with taking something that has no proven performance enhancing effects.
   7. RJ in TO Posted: September 08, 2010 at 06:08 PM (#3636156)
Don't we all have HGH in our blood? I thought we all had naturally occurring HGH and that some have higher levels than others. I'd really like to know how they test for HGH and don't just assume that all the naturally high HGH people are cheaters.

The test is supposed to be for synthetic HGH, rather than naturally occuring HGH. I have no idea what the actual accuracy is for the tests.
   8. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: September 08, 2010 at 06:17 PM (#3636168)
Say it ain't so, Matt Socholotiuk.
   9. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 08, 2010 at 06:17 PM (#3636169)
The test is supposed to be for synthetic HGH, rather than naturally occuring HGH. I have no idea what the actual accuracy is for the tests.

not very high
   10. J. Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: September 08, 2010 at 06:22 PM (#3636174)
We drive through Waterford every year on the way to the fair in Simcoe. Nice little village.
   11. scotto Posted: September 08, 2010 at 06:41 PM (#3636200)
Say it ain't so, Matt Socholotiuk.

I look forward to the "And how could I ever refuse,
I feel like I win when I lose" defense.
   12. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: September 08, 2010 at 06:46 PM (#3636209)
An appeal hearing was set for Aug. 16 but Socholotiuk failed to appear. Arbitrator Ed Ratushny upheld the appeal but altered the suspension to three years.


Wow, tough judge.
   13. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 08, 2010 at 07:00 PM (#3636225)
The test is supposed to be for synthetic HGH, rather than naturally occuring HGH.

Read jmac's link. The test is indirect. It measures the suppression of the normal baseline level of the dominant form of natural hGH that should result from exogenous administration of synthetic hGH. In other words, you are inferring that the subject must have taken synthetic hGH because s/he doesn't have enough natural hGH. There are all sorts of problems with establishing what is "normal" or "baseline." And of course, it would not be that difficult to synthesize an hGH that is identical to the dominant natural isoform (which would completely confound this test).
   14. Random Transaction Generator Posted: September 08, 2010 at 07:37 PM (#3636247)
UWaterloo is my alma mater. Yay!
It's a the "M.I.T." for Canada, and sits right next door to R.I.M. (Blackberry creators).
Their math and engineering programs are among the best in the world.

What is funny is that the football team has sucked for DECADES.
This is like when Alex Sanchez got busted for using steroids.
It's pretty much a point AGAINST the effects of HGH on athletic performance.
   15. Toolsy McClutch Posted: September 08, 2010 at 08:06 PM (#3636278)
Please. I turned down Waterloo to attend Queen's.

Simcoe is great I've heard though.
   16. chemdoc Posted: September 08, 2010 at 08:17 PM (#3636294)
Never saw him play.
   17. OCF Posted: September 08, 2010 at 08:21 PM (#3636297)
Somehow I doubt that the Waterloo Putnam Exam team ever gets tested for, say, stimulants.

2009 Putnam team results:

1. MIT
2. Harvard
3. Caltech
4. Stanford
5. Princeton

6-10, in alphabetical order:
Duke
Maryland
Toronto
Virginia
Waterloo
   18. Morty Causa Posted: September 08, 2010 at 08:46 PM (#3636337)
Why didn't he show up at the appeal?
   19. Paul D(uda) Posted: September 08, 2010 at 09:00 PM (#3636353)
UWaterloo is my alma mater. Yay!

Me too!
   20. RJ in TO Posted: September 08, 2010 at 09:15 PM (#3636366)
Me too!

Well, that explains your ginormous noggin.
   21. Greg K Posted: September 08, 2010 at 09:17 PM (#3636367)
What is funny is that the football team has sucked for DECADES.

Please, Waterloo's track record in football is nothing compared to the suckage of the University of Toronto

Though I didn't actually go to U of T, I just like making fun of them...my alma mater (University of Regina) has an ok football record.

I went to a sports history conference at Concordia this spring. It was surreal, a bunch of academics sitting around discussing Windsor's chances in the world of Canadian University Basketball.
   22. ursus arctos Posted: September 08, 2010 at 09:40 PM (#3636385)
Waterloo has actually won the Putnam (as has Queen's), but UofT won four of the first six.
   23. crict Posted: September 08, 2010 at 11:31 PM (#3636486)
It was surreal, a bunch of academics sitting around discussing Windsor's chances in the world of Canadian University Basketball.


Wait, there are some people talking about UWindsor? (I'm a faculty member there...)
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 09, 2010 at 12:52 AM (#3636531)
Why didn't he show up at the appeal?

No one cares about being suspended from Waterloo football?
   25. Greg K Posted: September 09, 2010 at 01:49 AM (#3636560)
Wait, there are some people talking about UWindsor? (I'm a faculty member there...)

I believe the keynote speaker at the conference was from UWindsor. An honest to God Sports Historian (didn't know we had those in Canada) Metcalf I think was his name.

I made a royal ass of myself to him at the bar after the conference. 17th century English political history is my area, so in sports I was in way over my head. But I did a paper on retrosheet and online baseball research, more or less for fun. So afterwards I was talking sports history with him and mentioned that I had been reading almost exclusively baseball over the past 18 months (having been on a break from academic work). By which I meant thinkfactory related material. And he listed off about four of five names of baseball historians I had surely come across, all of which drew a blank for me. I'm pretty sure he came away with the impression that I was a total moron.

Though, the conference was an overall positive, because I met a Belgian architectural historian who has promised to show me around Louvain should I ever be in the neighbourhood.
   26. Gaelan Posted: September 09, 2010 at 01:53 AM (#3636562)
Our Canadian contingent is all over this. I'll add my contribution

I was an engineering student at Waterloo for a semester. I did ok (top third of my class) but studying to be an engineering was slowly destroying my soul so I dropped out.


Though I didn't actually go to U of T, I just like making fun of them...my alma mater (University of Regina) has an ok football record.


While I was dropped out I started playing football again and eventually played the Regina Rams (the junior football club that became the University of Regina Rams a year or two later) in the Canadian Bowl (the Canadian Junior (18-21) football championship). We lost in a snowstorm with -25 degree celcius weather on the first weekend of November.

Now for basketball, the most successful coach in Canadian University basketball is Dave Smart. He coached my high school basketball team while I was there before transforming Carleton University into a national powerhouse.

Why didn't he show up at the appeal?


Because he is guilty. There was a whole scandal. Some players were arrested for dealing PED's and the whole football program has been canceled for a year which could mean the end of the team in its entirety.
   27. Greg K Posted: September 09, 2010 at 01:59 AM (#3636571)
While I was dropped out I started playing football again and eventually played the Regina Rams (the junior football club that became the University of Regina Rams a year or two later) in the Canadian Bowl (the Canadian Junior (18-21) football championship). We lost in a snowstorm with -25 degree celcius weather on the first weekend of November.

Not sure if this game was played in Saskatchewan
But having attended several Rams games over the 6 years I lived in Regina, you sir are a hero, if in fact it was in Regina that you played a football game in November.

Winter in a place like Toronto is actually the best time to play football. (And by this I mean 6 or 8 teenagers playing some pick-up football on a weekend kind of football) The ground is nice and soft for tackles and trying to make a cut back in 8 inches of snow is truly a test of athletic prowess.

Winter in Saskatchewan is probably the worst time and place to play football...or to be alive for that matter.
   28. Gaelan Posted: September 09, 2010 at 02:18 AM (#3636586)
It was in Regina. The game was played on November 11th. The funniest thing about the game was that our "star" running back was from Texas and had washed out of Oklahoma State. He came up north for a tryout with the Roughriders (the Ottawa variety) who promptly discovered he sucked and they sent him to us. He turtled in the cold and basically refused to play. Pat Woodcock was on that team as a 17 year old before he went to Syracuse.
   29. Lassus Posted: September 09, 2010 at 02:51 AM (#3636600)
Pat Woodcock was on that team as a 17 year old before he went to Syracuse.

I'm not particularly sure that's a weather upgrade.
   30. Sunday silence Posted: September 09, 2010 at 03:46 AM (#3636621)
I did ok (top third of my class) but studying to be an engineering was slowly destroying my soul so I dropped out.


Let me guess: you changed your major to English?
   31. Walt Davis Posted: September 09, 2010 at 10:04 AM (#3636698)
Well, when the kids see Damon Allen break Warren Moon's unbreakable record, they assume he's on PEDs and they are powerless to resist their temptation.
   32. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 09, 2010 at 12:17 PM (#3636718)
Because he is guilty.

So why did he appeal in the first place? Maybe because he got his suspension reduced without even showing up? If he had bothered to attend the hearing, the arbitrator might have knocked another year off.
   33. BrianBrianson Posted: September 09, 2010 at 12:59 PM (#3636741)
Why didn't he show up at the appeal?


It's Waterloo, so I'm thinking he didn't realise he was on the football team. Sabermetric regression to the mean teaches that Waterloo would be better randomly assigning students to the football team than using their actual team. (And maybe treat it like a Monte Carlo to find the players who know which end of the football to hold.)

(Also a Waterloo grad - physics.)

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