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Saturday, March 02, 2013

WBC Day 2 OmniChatter

Day 1 isn’t fully done yet, but I’ll submit this now. All times ET:

10:30 PM- Brazil vs. Cuba
1:30 AM- Taipei vs. Netherlands
5:00 AM- Japan vs. China

Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 08:19 AM | 210 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 06:07 PM (#4379271)
Excccccelllllllent. Exceelllllllent. MWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh, the pitching matchups:
Andre Rienzo (Brazil) vs. Ismel Jimenez (Cuba)
Tom Stuifbergen (Netherlands) vs. Yao-Lin Wang (Taipei)
Xia Luo (China) vs. Kenta Maeda (Japan)


I'll probably stay up for the first two and then hit the sack... unlike Japan-Brazil, I doubt there is even the slightest chance of the PRC giving Japan a fight, especially after the Samurai got their wake-up call last night.
   2. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 02, 2013 at 06:39 PM (#4379286)
Kind of strange that Brazil is playing a second game before China plays their first.
   3. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 07:35 PM (#4379307)
Kind of strange that Brazil is playing a second game before China plays their first.

I think unless if they were going to have two games in Japan on day one (which would have led to even more overlaps and tape delays), there was going to have to be a team that this would happen to.

It'll be interesting to see how the attendance for the non-Japanese games will be in Tokyo. I mean, in Asia it seems like the attendance plummets without the "home" team far more than even in North America.

I mean, look at it:
Taipei-Australia: 20K+ (sellout)
Japan-Brazil: 28K+ (close to sellout)
Netherlands-Korea: 1K+ (would sellout a DIII ballpark)


I think Japan will have more in the non home-team games than Taichung will. In the '09 WBC, for example, the games without Japan had the crowds in the 12K+ range. Pretty small, but not the essentially-empty stadium that Taiwan has had in both the qualifiers and Netherlands-Korea. Although it is a little hard to compare between the round robin of the 2013 WBC round 1 and double-elimination of WBC '09 and the qualifiers....

I feel as if, in the future, whether it might be wise if the WBC has something like "dynamic pricing". Have tickets for non-marquee games be a bit cheaper than games featuring either the home team or big-name teams.
   4. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: March 02, 2013 at 07:44 PM (#4379309)
I'll see if I can catch a bit of Cuba-Brazil tonight, but otherwise I'll probably get some of Japan-China (10am is a manageable time). The timings aren't particularly convenient from Europe. I really do want to see Cuba, though, and the one game I watched today was excellent.
   5. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 07:49 PM (#4379312)
Also, I'm looking forward to seeing whether the Latino population of Miami's love of their home countries is greater than their hatred of Loria. Have to think that if the WBC hosting spots were given out this winter instead of mid last-season that Miami would NOT have been chosen.
   6. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: March 02, 2013 at 08:06 PM (#4379317)
If Korea winds up last in their pool, will they have to qualify for the 2017 classic?
   7. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 08:09 PM (#4379319)
If Korea winds up last in their pool, will they have to qualify for the 2017 classic?


One would think so based on what happened in the last tournament, although who knows, it's possible they might change the criteria, especially if Korea, say, goes 1-2 and is last only due to tiebreakers.
   8. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 10:47 PM (#4379370)
Guys to watch for Cuba: Gourriel (of course), Jose Abreu (said to be the Barry Bonds of Cuba), Frederich Cepeda, Alfredo Despaigne and Ismel Jimenez.

   9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 02, 2013 at 10:55 PM (#4379373)
Anyone defect yet?
   10. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 11:24 PM (#4379387)
Not that I know of :p
   11. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 11:33 PM (#4379391)
Yup, looks like Japan continues the tradition of having low attendance when Japan isn't playing.
   12. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4379400)
Rienzo is not having a good inning pitch-count wise.
   13. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 02, 2013 at 11:50 PM (#4379402)
Bah, streaming is only available if you MLB Network as part of your cable plan. Boo!
   14. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 11:51 PM (#4379403)
Bitter... there are.... other ways of seeing something. But due to my moral code, I cannot tell you where.
   15. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:09 AM (#4379414)

Arruebarruena sounds like a magic word.
   16. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:14 AM (#4379415)
Brazil has runners on the corners with one out.
   17. JJ1986 Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:15 AM (#4379416)
Time to squeeze.
   18. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:19 AM (#4379418)
So much for the bunt.
   19. Lassus Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:19 AM (#4379420)
Huh. My MLB.com log-in won't work for these, that's annoying.

Or, what #13 said.
   20. Lassus Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:20 AM (#4379421)
GB, is it one of the standards?
   21. Tschingsch Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:22 AM (#4379422)
Looked safe to me.
   22. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:22 AM (#4379423)
GB, is it one of the standards?


Huh? What do you mean?
   23. Lassus Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:23 AM (#4379424)
#14, I meant. The other ways. I was being deliberately cryptic.
   24. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:25 AM (#4379426)
Uh, yes.... if by "standards" you mean what I think you mean.

That Miami-Duke game was good.
   25. Lassus Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:29 AM (#4379428)
On second thought, I've been up for like 19 hours, I don't have the energy to work through crazy third-party video sites. Thanks, though! Have fun! Zzzzzzzz
   26. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:35 AM (#4379429)
Night, Lassus. Remember: Honkbal.
   27. Tschingsch Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:39 AM (#4379431)
Damn.
   28. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:40 AM (#4379432)
What you just said, Tschingsch. I thought that was going to get over him.
   29. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:45 AM (#4379433)
Cubans seem to be trying to hit it a country mile.
   30. RollingWave Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:53 AM (#4379439)
If Korea winds up last in their pool, will they have to qualify for the 2017 classic?


Probably, though it's almost impossible that they don't win the qualifier round, Taiwan won without even giving up a single run in all 3 game. Baseball is unpredictable if the two teams are within a reasonable margin of ability, but not if they're in completely different class
   31. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:55 AM (#4379441)
Probably, though it's almost impossible that they don't win the qualifier round, Taiwan won without even giving up a single run in all 3 game. Baseball is unpredictable if the two teams are within a reasonable margin of ability, but not if they're in completely different class

Yeah, the difference between Taiwan and Thailand was far, far, greater than the amount between Panama and Brazil... obviously.
   32. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 03, 2013 at 12:56 AM (#4379443)
Not sure whats going to happen the rest of this game but Brazil is proving to be much more competitive than I anticipated.
   33. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:00 AM (#4379449)
Cuba doesn't know how to bunt and breaks the rules.
   34. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:05 AM (#4379451)
Canadian TV finally switched over from lacrosse to this game. I wasn't following the game, so I was surprised to see Cuab score the first run of the game in the 5th.
   35. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:08 AM (#4379453)
I think it's safe to say that Rienzo kid has a future.
   36. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:11 AM (#4379457)
2 runs isn't insurmountable.
   37. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:12 AM (#4379458)
The guy currently pitching for Brazil seems to be beer league quality at best.
   38. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:25 AM (#4379464)
With these bullpens coming up... it could get crazy.
   39. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:26 AM (#4379465)
MLB is probably a fan death away from having those nets.
   40. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:29 AM (#4379468)
. . . looks like Japan continues the tradition of having low attendance when Japan isn't playing.

What are the ticket prices? Seems like there should be a few more people there. Looks like less than a Marlins game.
   41. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:31 AM (#4379469)

What are the ticket prices? Seems like there should be a few more people there. Looks like less than a Marlins game.


I have no idea, but I think they should be having dynamic pricing or something.
   42. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:37 AM (#4379470)
Do I dare risk trying to take a micronap if the Cubans bust it open up here?
   43. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:40 AM (#4379472)
Do I dare risk trying to take a micronap if the Cubans bust it open up here?


I'm considering going to bed if Cuba scores a few runs here. That error doesn't help my will to stay awake.

And Barry Larkin unleashing his inner LaRussa is also not very helpful.
   44. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:43 AM (#4379473)
Brazil is toast.
   45. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:44 AM (#4379474)
Yeah, I'm gonna try and take a nap until Honkbal time at 1:30. Mmmmm, Honkbal.
   46. Tschingsch Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:47 AM (#4379476)
There's always room for Honkbal.
   47. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:48 AM (#4379477)
you will fail its only 30 minutes stay up
   48. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:52 AM (#4379478)
someone has to respond, cant drink and game chatter alone
   49. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:55 AM (#4379479)
I'm still semi awake. I'm just laying down while watching as opposed to sitting up.
   50. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:56 AM (#4379480)
Also, I'm about to pound a Dr. Pepper, which should help.
   51. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:57 AM (#4379481)
ah I'm through 3 tall boys and counting, got home from work at 1130. I wish I had watched the games today, big fan of honkball from last wbc. love this thing
   52. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:59 AM (#4379482)
The Honkballers for today:

Simmons, SS
Schoop, 2B
Bernadina, CF
Balentien, RF
Jones, An, DH
Bogaerts, X, 3B
Smith, C, 1B
Sams, LF
Ricardo, C

Pitching: Tom Stuifbergen
   53. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:02 AM (#4379483)
Hang on, this game isn't over yet.
   54. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:03 AM (#4379484)
Fire up the churrascaria, its rally time!
   55. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:04 AM (#4379485)
Oops.
   56. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:10 AM (#4379486)
Balentien, RF


One of the interesting parts of the WBC is the chance to see fringe guys again. Wlad really hit well in Japan last year: .272/.386/.572 with 31 homers in only 106 games.
   57. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:12 AM (#4379487)
So Castro's kid is still with the team...
   58. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:16 AM (#4379488)
HoNKBALERS STUNTEN:

Het Nederlands honkbalteam heeft bij de World Baseball Classic voor een gigantische stunt gezorgd. Oranje versloeg in Taichung met ruime cijfers het sterker geachte Zuid-Korea: 5-0.
   59. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:20 AM (#4379489)
Cuba likes fat guys
   60. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:21 AM (#4379490)
Whoever wins Taiwan-Netherlands has very, very good chances to advance.
   61. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:25 AM (#4379492)
What the...?
   62. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:25 AM (#4379493)
Iago Januario is an awesome name.
   63. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:26 AM (#4379494)
wtf?
   64. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:27 AM (#4379495)
horseshit call there
   65. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:28 AM (#4379496)
Isn't 2 wins almost a guarantee?

kinda likes the wonky double elimination pool deal from last time because I loathe tiebreakers. On the other hand, it was dumb that you didn't play everyone in the pool.

Taiwan advancing would be awesome.
   66. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:29 AM (#4379497)
Is honkbal live at 1:30?
   67. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:31 AM (#4379498)
What a play by Reginatto!!!
   68. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:32 AM (#4379499)
It's live right now on the online... dunno whether they will join in progress or do something stupid and have a tape delay on MLB Network.
   69. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:36 AM (#4379500)
online still has cuba on.....damn
   70. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:36 AM (#4379501)
Oh, I was talking about the WBC website... it lets you pick. But if you don't have a certain provider...
   71. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:37 AM (#4379502)
Man, it's gonna be ugly for Spain in Pool C, the group of death.

   72. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:39 AM (#4379503)
[65] I have mixed feelings about round robin vs. double elimination.

The thing I don't like about double elimination is that sometimes the first game doesn't mean a whole lot, because most likely there will be a rematch. We saw this last WBC when Australia played Mexico. Australia won, but had to play Cuba, while Mexico won and got an essential freebie in South Africa. And so when Australia pulled off the upset, I just sort of shrugged and said "there will be a rematch anyway." Of course in round robin, you are often stuck with a situation where a team will have already been eliminated or clinched by the final game and has nothing to play for.

So, I think double elimination works better when the teams are fairly evenly matched, and worst when there is a clear best and clear worst team in the bracket. In that light, the round robin first round, double elimination second round makes pretty good sense.
   73. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:41 AM (#4379504)
Starter for Taipei is in Cubs' organization, or at least was last year. Yao-Lin Wang.
   74. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:44 AM (#4379505)
[71] I feel like Pool D is stronger than Pool C, though it's close. Puerto Rico has lost a lot of talent since 2009.
   75. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:46 AM (#4379506)
Puerto Rico has lost a lot of talent since 2009.


Any team with Carlos Beltran and Yadier Molina remains dangerous.
   76. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:47 AM (#4379507)
So answer me this...how good is Team Japan relative to what it could be? I noticed they have zero mlb talent...but are they the best npb players available more or less?
   77. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:50 AM (#4379508)
I just don't now about D. Italy sucks, Canada was an embarrassment last tournament, and Mexico is decent but always seems in the second tier of teams rather than the first. I think DR and VEN are both potential champions and PR has certainly been stacked in the past...though I take your point about the talent loss. Shame that PR baseball is in such decline.
   78. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:51 AM (#4379509)
On a positive note, my son has been sleeping for almost three hours! Woohoo
   79. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:53 AM (#4379510)
So answer me this...how good is Team Japan relative to what it could be? I noticed they have zero mlb talent...but are they the best npb players available more or less?


I think more or less. A few guys were legitimately hurt and couldn't make it, I believe.
   80. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:53 AM (#4379511)
Last licks for Brazil.
   81. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:54 AM (#4379512)
The atmosphere in Taiwan is going to be uh, slightly different from the atmosphere for this one.
   82. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:55 AM (#4379513)
The atmosphere in Taiwan is going to be uh, slightly different from the atmosphere for this one.


Judging from the footage from the WBC website stream... it is.
   83. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:55 AM (#4379514)
Of course, in a tiny sample of games I could see Canada and Mexico surviving and humiliating USA.
   84. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:57 AM (#4379515)
looks like the entire bullpen is getting loose.
   85. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:57 AM (#4379516)
I'm torn. Would love to see Brasil make it interesting, but desperately want this to end so I can watch the other game.
   86. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 02:59 AM (#4379517)
Andruw Jones has walked.
   87. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:02 AM (#4379518)
Lets all sing the Internationale!
   88. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:03 AM (#4379519)
Wow! Fans!
   89. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:03 AM (#4379520)
Honkball!
   90. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:04 AM (#4379521)
Honkbal forever!
   91. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:04 AM (#4379522)
Please tell me Sidney Ponson is the pitching coach.
   92. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:06 AM (#4379523)
Please tell me Sidney Ponson is the pitching coach.


Nope, still Bert Blyleven. Sidney Ponson has seemingly disappeared from the face of the Earth, which seems physically impossible.
   93. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:08 AM (#4379524)
Wang normally is a reliever, so I guess it's not surprising that he's being pulled early, especially since it'll save him for Korea if that turns into a must-win.
   94. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:11 AM (#4379525)
...that was unexpected.
   95. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:13 AM (#4379526)
I, for one, welcome our new Honkbal masters.
   96. RollingWave Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:23 AM (#4379527)
On some of the intrigue of yesterday's games in Taiwan

1. the MLB is in charge of the camera and everything, for some reason they choose not to use the CPBL camera crew but used another local channal's, which probably explain their spotty shooting.

2. the gun is off by a lot, the WBC gun is 5-6 mile slower than the stadium gun, so Wang was pitching around 88-90 while Yang and Kuo was more like 91-94.

3. there's some general grumble that the MLB crew is doing a hatch job in Taiwan this time around. there was also the silly warmup game scheduel where Taiwan played 0 games in the actual game stadium.


   97. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:27 AM (#4379528)
Barksdale is at home plate, so all plays at the plate need to merely be in the neighborhood.
   98. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:28 AM (#4379529)
This crowd is incredible
   99. Gamingboy Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:30 AM (#4379530)
This crowd is incredible


Agreed. Somebody really should try and, I dunno, get something together to do this on at least a small scale. Maybe revive the Royal Rooters or the Brooklyn Sym-Phony.
   100. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 03, 2013 at 03:30 AM (#4379531)
Wow! Awesome
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