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Saturday, March 09, 2013

WBC Day 9 OMNICHATTER

11:00 AM- DR vs. Spain
2:30 PM- Mexico vs. Canada
5:30 PM- PR vs. Venezuela
9:00 PM- USA vs. Italy
6 AM (Sunday): Netherlands vs. Japan

All games on MLB Network and ESPN Deportes.

Gamingboy Posted: March 09, 2013 at 01:07 AM | 192 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:37 PM (#4385271)
Rollins missed a meatball
   102. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:38 PM (#4385273)
Those plucky Americans strike back!
   103. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:39 PM (#4385275)
Almost...
   104. Yardape Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:41 PM (#4385276)
Man, Braun was so close...and down.
   105. JJ1986 Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:43 PM (#4385278)
Well played, Mauer.
   106. Yardape Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4385279)
There are numerous catchers i'd put in there instead of mauer, since this is 2013.


Other than Posey, who would you pick? (Assuming Mauer was catching and not DHing.)
   107. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:47 PM (#4385280)
Wright on!
   108. Shredder Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:47 PM (#4385281)
B!tchin
   109. JJ1986 Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4385282)
Other than Posey, who would you pick?


Wieters.
   110. JJ1986 Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4385283)
David Wright, International Hero.
   111. Tschingsch Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:50 PM (#4385285)
Why does Vasgersian keep saying the US has never gotten past the 2nd round? They were in the semi-finals in 2009.
   112. Yardape Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:51 PM (#4385286)
Why does Vasgersian keep saying the US has never gotten past the 2nd round? They were in the semi-finals in 2009.


I'm not enjoying Vasgersian and Kaat as a team.
   113.   Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4385290)
I'm not enjoying Vasgersian and Kaat as a team.


Hush up. The International feed is Charley Steiner and Rick Sutcliffe.
   114. Yardape Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:57 PM (#4385295)
Hush up. The International feed is Charley Steiner and Rick Sutcliffe.


Point taken.
   115. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:57 PM (#4385296)
Nothin' says Dream Team like Jeremy Affeldt.
   116. JJ1986 Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:58 PM (#4385297)
I do not like how the announcers are defending Team Mexico instigating a brawl because they "didn't understand the rules", as though it would have been perfectly okay for a third baseman to call for a hit batsman during a regular season game.
   117. Shredder Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:59 PM (#4385298)
Oh man, I did not like that image. Please keep Mike Trout as far from Vernon Wells as humanly possible.
   118. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:59 PM (#4385300)
Venezuela has to be the bust of the tournament.
   119. JJ1986 Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:00 AM (#4385301)
Venezuela has to be the bust of the tournament.


They lost King Felix at the last minute; that was a tough blow to recover from.
   120. Tschingsch Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:01 AM (#4385302)
Someone at MLB Network must be reading this... ha.
   121. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:13 AM (#4385305)
Incidentally, Mexico and Canada are apparently staying at the same hotel.
   122. JJ1986 Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:13 AM (#4385306)
...
   123.   Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:19 AM (#4385312)
Someone at MLB Network must be reading this... ha.


What does this refer to?
   124. Shredder Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:24 AM (#4385315)
That's a hell of a play.
   125. Tschingsch Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:28 AM (#4385316)
What does this refer to?


Well, I was kidding, but after I posted this:

Why does Vasgersian keep saying the US has never gotten past the 2nd round? They were in the semi-finals in 2009.


...which he also said yesterday, he mentioned that someone from the network corrected him.
   126. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:48 AM (#4385322)
Separately, Vasgersian explained how the Italy media guide's phonetical spelling of Tim Crabbe is actually incorrect.
   127. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:51 AM (#4385326)
Almost midnight and still only the seventh inning? Are these teams secretly the Yanks and Boston in disguise?
   128. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 10, 2013 at 12:58 AM (#4385327)
Is Italy just trying to give guys experience against the US? Why the subs?
   129. Shredder Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:00 AM (#4385328)
So what are the participation rules in this? I remember watching the Italian ice hockey team in the 2002 Olympics, and I'm pretty sure if you had a grandmother that used to cook pasta a couple times per year, you qualified for the Italian Olympic team.
   130.   Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:04 AM (#4385329)
A player is eligible to participate on a World Baseball Classic team if any of the following criteria is met:

The player is a citizen of the nation the team represents.
The player is qualified for citizenship or to hold a passport under the laws of a nation represented by a team, but has not been granted citizenship or been issued a passport, then the player may be made eligible by WBCI upon petition by the player or team.
The player is a permanent legal resident of the nation or territory the team represents.
The player was born in the nation or territory the team represents.
The player has one parent who is, or if deceased was, a citizen of the nation the team represents.
The player has one parent who was born in the nation or territory the team represents.
   131. Shredder Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:11 AM (#4385331)
Ross Detweiler? I own that guy in MLB11 The Show.
   132. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:18 AM (#4385332)
130 - are you sure? In the case of several ITA players, you have to go back three generations to find a citizen of the country. What am I missing - are they passport eligible?
   133.   Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:20 AM (#4385335)
International feed still claiming that Mexico can "advance on a tie breaker." They have yet to give a scenario where this could happen, even if the US loses this game.
   134. Tschingsch Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:21 AM (#4385336)
This is the "official" wording of the above rules:
- The player is a citizen of the Federation Team's country or territory, as evidenced by a valid passport the player holds as of January 1, 2013; or
- The player is currently a permanent legal resident of the Federation Team's country or territory, as evidenced by documentation satisfactory to WBCI and the International Baseball Federation ("IBAF"), or
- The player was born in the Federation Team's country or territory, as evidenced by a birth certificate or its equivalent; or
- The player has one parent who is, or if deceased was, a citizen of the Federation Team's country or territory, as evidenced by a passport or other documentation satisfactory to WBCI and the IBAF; or
- The player has one parent who was born in the Federation Team's country or territory, as evidenced by a birth certificate or its equivalent; or
- The player presents documentary evidence satisfactory to WBCI that, even if he has not been granted citizenship or been issued a passport, the player would be granted citizenship or a passport in due course under the laws of the Federation Team's country or territory had the player applied for such citizenship or passport.
   135. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:21 AM (#4385337)
Espn said Mexico eliminated

Must be the last clause, as joe was saying about Spain and those of Spanish ancestry

Venditte!
Must be weird for him facing a righty from the left
   136. Tschingsch Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:24 AM (#4385338)
Vasgersian said the same thing earlier, and then proceeded to never finish explaining how.

EDIT: This was in response to 133, not 135
EDIT(2): Changed as I was not responding to myself.
   137. JJ1986 Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:25 AM (#4385339)
Mexico is -4 in non-Italy games.

If Italy won tonight and the US won tomorrow, US would be at worst -2.
   138.   Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:26 AM (#4385340)
130 - are you sure? In the case of several ITA players, you have to go back three generations to find a citizen of the country. What am I missing - are they passport eligible?


I assume it's the first one -- that they do not hold a passport but can demonstrate that they could get a passport if they wanted to. It's the Ichiro rule.

Here's a link


The player presents documentary evidence satisfactory to WBCI that, even if he has not been granted citizenship or been issued a passport, the player would be granted citizenship or a passport in due course under the laws of the Federation Team's country or territory had the player applied for such citizenship or passport.
   139. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:32 AM (#4385344)
USA USA! And now USA-Canada is effectively a one game playoff.
   140. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:33 AM (#4385345)
Yes!!! A bit more frustrating early on than I needed but that's a nice one. So it's straightforward tomorrow now, win and we are through.
   141.   Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:35 AM (#4385347)
With that being said, a quick look into how to get an Italian passport you basically need a grandparent at furthest so not sure how a fourth-generation would be on the team.

And it needs to be paternal grandparent, weirdly.
   142. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:36 AM (#4385348)
54/40
   143.   Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:39 AM (#4385349)
54/40


They're from Canada.
   144. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 10, 2013 at 01:39 AM (#4385350)
Think rizzo and venditte were among those qualifying via great grandfathers

Sorry - post got chopped. Tomorrow is the 54/40 game
   145. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:27 AM (#4385361)
Not true about Italian citizenship. Great grandparents count as well. I'm eligible but my cousins and I have yet to find some of the necessary docs. My great grandmother was a foundling apparently.
   146. Tschingsch Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:06 AM (#4385372)
It's Honkbal time!!!
   147. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:08 AM (#4385373)
Honkbal for all!
   148.   Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:14 AM (#4385376)
Not true about Italian citizenship. Great grandparents count as well. I'm eligible but my cousins and I have yet to find some of the necessary docs. My great grandmother was a foundling apparently.


Okay. I was getting my information from here.
   149. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:19 AM (#4385378)
Alright, limited the damage.

Let's go Honkbats!
   150. phineas Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:33 AM (#4385379)
Honk the Honk!
   151. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:34 AM (#4385380)
Man, that last strike that Taiwan couldn't get looms larger and larger ...
   152. phineas Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:41 AM (#4385382)
The heart and soul of the Honk, Cordemans, going down...
   153. Honkie Kong Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:43 AM (#4385383)
The mercy rule looms. So what happens if JP beats NED?
One game elimination between Cuba and NED?
   154. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:44 AM (#4385384)
Yes.
   155. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:45 AM (#4385385)
I wonder if it wouldn't make some sense to leave the pitcher out there to get mercy ruled and save the rest of the staff for the Cuba game.

Ugh.
   156. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 07:06 AM (#4385389)
I'm beginning to really like the Japanese chants and the Inaba Shake and all the rest.
   157. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 07:25 AM (#4385393)
Double ugh.

That's the Mercy Rule, right?

(If the Honkballers don't score in the bottom half)
   158. phineas Posted: March 10, 2013 at 07:25 AM (#4385394)
They needed Profar.
Those pitchers from the mainland are no match.
   159. phineas Posted: March 10, 2013 at 07:26 AM (#4385396)
At least 7 innings and 10+ run differential.
   160. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 07:30 AM (#4385397)
Ah, not much mercy to be found then, tonight ...
   161. Honkie Kong Posted: March 10, 2013 at 07:56 AM (#4385400)
Ahh, this is getting a bit embarrassing for them. Have still two innings worth of pitching the Honkballers need to find.
   162. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:00 AM (#4385401)
Maeda is dealing.
   163. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:24 AM (#4385404)
Comeback starts now?
   164. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:25 AM (#4385405)
COMEBACK!!!
   165. Honkie Kong Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:34 AM (#4385408)
Yup, just 4 runs an inning needed for 3 more innings!
I like it that they temporarily staved off the mercy rule. National games should be about pride.
   166. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:38 AM (#4385409)
Then again, maybe the mercy rule will come into play.
   167. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:39 AM (#4385410)
Yeah, I don't think the comeback is happening.
   168. phineas Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:39 AM (#4385411)
Salami and Heineken!
   169. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:41 AM (#4385412)
Meh.

As a wise man once said ... "Game Over, Man! Game Over!!!"
   170. phineas Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:41 AM (#4385413)
Are there no minor league pitchers from the Caribbean islands besides Profar?
No one wants to be a pitcher down there?
   171. Honkie Kong Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:49 AM (#4385415)
Andrelton Simmons was highly regarded as a pitcher coming into the draft. But he refused to sign with a team unless they were willing to try him as a SS.
Even then, the initial report was that he couldn't hit enough to stick and would go back to pitching.
   172. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 08:50 AM (#4385416)
Are there no minor league pitchers from the Caribbean islands besides Profar?

Sorry, Profar's a shortstop...did you mean someone else or am I missing a joke or something (which happens often enough here)?
EDIT: Oh, I assume this is referring to the fact that a lot of teams originally wanted to sign him as a pitcher. Makes sense.
   173. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: March 10, 2013 at 09:06 AM (#4385419)
If you are from the islands and throw hard . . . you sign as a SS. Unless you are so fat that it is simply incomprehensible that you will play MIF at the MLB level, in which case they try to make you a reliever because you are "unpolished", unlike the US kid whose daddy has been paying for one-on-one daily pitching lessons since he was 11.
   174. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 10, 2013 at 03:42 PM (#4385626)
Why was no day 10 omnichatter posted? :(
   175. Flynn Posted: March 10, 2013 at 03:45 PM (#4385628)
Italian citizenship laws are very, very liberal. Basically any paisan who has an Italian ancestor born after 1861 can get citizenship in most instances, provided they can find the correct documentation (which is often the challenge, since it has to be in Italian, notarised in Italy, etc.). I have a friend who is a fourth generation American but satisfied the requirements and is duly a citizen of Italy.
   176. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:00 PM (#4385633)
So with no day 10 chatter posted, I'll just keep posting here. Jameson Taillon who is starting for Canada today is Baseball America's 19th ranked prospect. So this could be the big stage debut of a star pitcher.
   177. JJ1986 Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:01 PM (#4385634)
They benched Stanton???? instead of Phillips or Hosmer? What the ####### fuck?
   178. Flynn Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4385637)
I have to say, the Venezuelan flag on the Spain pitcher's glove was embarrassing. I'm about as pro-WBC as it gets, but it's a real stain on the credibility of the tournament when you have fake countries participating. They do play some baseball in Spain but they have one native born player. I'd have rather seen Panama in the tournament.
   179. JJ1986 Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:09 PM (#4385638)
Plate is covered in shadows; mound in bright sunlight. Might be hard to hit for a few innings.
   180. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4385640)
and the son gets the infielder. ouch
   181. JJ1986 Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:27 PM (#4385642)
Let's have an All Star player sacrifice bunt against a AA pitcher.
   182. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4385643)
When you're asking a guy on the national team to bunt in the second inning, your country has talent issues.
   183. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4385644)
well shucks
   184. JJ1986 Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4385645)
#### you, Torre.
   185. Chris Fluit Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4385646)
Go Saunders!
   186. crict Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4385647)
That's how you bunt!
   187. JJ1986 Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4385649)
Errors for everyone! What a disgrace.
   188. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4385650)
holland not getting any help from the defense
   189. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:37 PM (#4385651)
is anyone up in the bullpen? or is joe going to let holland give up 5-6 runs before acting?
   190. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:39 PM (#4385654)
Everyone's just standing around in the bullpen, no-one's getting ready.
   191. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4385656)
not to mock a fellow old person but does joe know this is an elimination game??
   192. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:41 PM (#4385657)
That's what I was asking in the newer OMNICHATTER. I have no idea why Torre thinks this is a good time to get Victorino into a game as a starter.
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