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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Friday, January 22, 2010WEEI: Bradford: What happened with Jason Bay and the Red SoxLonger than…a night in sick Bay.
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Posted: January 22, 2010 at 04:37 AM | 32 comment(s)
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1. My Grate Friend, Peason Posted: January 22, 2010 at 05:04 AM (#3443795)Bay has a personality?
1) Why was Bay so worried about the team putting in a clause protecting them if his pre-existing knee issues became a problem? Seems that if he werent concerned about his knees he would have just agreed to that. It was going to be tied specifically to the pre-existing condition, much like JD Drew's shoulder problem. So, its not like ANY knee injury would have triggered it.
2) Bay has had lots of knee problems in the past and this article completely fails to mention all the trouble he had in Pittsburgh. He was a plus defender before that and since then has been pretty terrible.
3) While doctors might well say that a player's knees are fine to play baseball, the Red Sox may have been looking at the probabilities of his knees making his defense so bad he can't do anything but DH. They very well could have looked at his knees and said "Well, these knees are pretty bad... he will probably have to DH in 2 years" - but that doesnt mean he would fail a physical. His knees don't have to be so bad he can't play baseball for them to be unsatisfactory to the Red Sox.
4) If there weren't something more going on with the knees here and the other doctors came to those conclusions we probably would have seen a greivance or lawsuit. Instead, the agent quietly moved on (ok, one outburst that didn't mention the knees at all) and THEN released the "real story" months later. Pretty fishy. The sort of thing someone might do if their client actually DID have bad knees.
The team's psychologist says probably not. Bay and his agent are seeking a second opinion.
Because apparently without too much trouble, he was able to get a contract that ensures the financial security of his family beyond a reasonable doubt without that clause. If you had a history of, but not a specific occurrence of, problems with one part of your body, I'd expect nothing less. I think I'd rather play for a team (money being roughly equal) that actually guarantees my money if there's an injury to any part of my body.
Also, about the last point in this statement, I think that any doctor worth his salt and interested in keeping the Sox from paying big bucks would make some sort of case that a random career-ending knee injury would never have happened to someone without Bay's history of knee issues.
While I agree with you on the larger issue, I don't think it's really anything like that.
On an unrelated note, it's amazing the way the Red Sox FO plants these stories with a pliant Boston press bashing every outgoing ballplayer.
Who will pay for that?
In all seriousness, they both give multi-syllabic answers in interviews, and are extremely polite and humble. They're admirable people in terms of the way they conduct themselves, which is something that will make a lot of fans root for them.
In Soviet Russia, Borris Yeltsin's liver comes for you in the dead of night.
I'm glad we're finding out that maybe Jason Bay isn't so greedy and nutty after all, even if it is coming after a few months of "tsk, tsk"-ing and schadenfreude from Gammons, etc.
Yeah, what is the pathology with the Boston management/ownership and departing players. Do any other teams behave this way?
Isn't it Bay who is the one doing the wronged-lover act here, not Larry the Lobster?
I haven't followed the story closely, but isn't this a response to some Red Sox leak about the in-season extension negotiations?
Illegal I think, as well as unethical.
Houston, would we never have known any of these details? I doubt that. I dunno really.
Its as much a pathology of the Boston writers, I think. People ask, myself included--why the hell would he rather be a Met,
that organization's a disaster? So the writers find out. Turns out there's a rational explanation why he's a Met.
The Brass thought his knees looked balky. He's 31.
Bay implied in his Mets press conference that Boston didn't want him (or at least didn't want him enough). The Gammons article puts that into context: Bay and the team agreed on a deal, but the team backed out due to medical concerns. So, in a way, the Gammons piece agrees with Bay in that Boston didn't want Bay more than the Mets did; but it makes it a little more clear that both sides wanted each other enough for a contract to reach that stage. I don't see how that's bashing Bay. (Gammons' editorializing is another thing, but he's become a lot more cranky in the last couple of years.)
The article for this thread, though coming from Boston media, is sourced directly from Bay, and he's going to great lengths to explain every detail - except for his own medical history prior to Boston, of course. I think both sides could have taken the high road, but it's not clear the Red Sox are trying to make anyone look bad in this case. It seems to me like Bay is expending a lot more energy to make the Red Sox look bad.
I suppose when the Mets and Red Sox have differing opinions on a player's health, the Mets side might need a more vigorous defense. So there's that.
I knew you'd catch that vi.
EDIT: On that note, let me drag out my old Mad Libs on the Red Sox FO again:
Clearly Jason Bay is acting here as a media mouthpiece for the Red Sox front office. Take this as a sign that the Red Sox are trying to unload the Red Sox, and are looking to tear down public opinion of the Red Sox so they'll look good when they drop themselves.
Just by way of example as my company's HR administrator I have looked into self-funded insurance a few times but I cannot even get a gross amount of money spent by Blue Cross on my company last year but very detailed information about conditions and surgeries for professional athletes are readily available.
MOLE BLOODY MOLE, we're not supposed to talk about the bloody mole but there's the bloody mole winking me in the face
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