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1. Craig Calcaterra Posted: March 19, 2010 at 12:43 PM (#3482141)2007 - 126 OPS+
2008 - 136 OPS+
it's true, we might be undervaluing youkilis, but let's not kid ourselves here and think that he will ever hit like manny or ortiz did.
and yes, manny/ortiz weren't their typical selves the last couple of years, but there's always the hope that they'll return to form. of course, with every passing year, that hope fades even further.
as an offense overall, we have't scored > 900 runs since 2005.
i'm saying wake up and smell the coffee, he's not manny, and our offense is not the same as before.
not calling youkilis one of the greatest right hand batters of all time is not whining. recognizing that our offense is not the same caliber as the 03-05 hay day is not whining.
to think otherwise is naive/fanboyish.
I don't disagree that Youk is unlikely to get any better and won't be this good much longer, but:
Youk 2009: 145 OPS+
The 2009 Yankees' (a "truly good team," yes?) two top performers, were Teixeira (149 OPS+) and ARod (147 OPS+). And since Youk is a little more OBP-heavy than the others, I'm going to bet that he was no worse than equally good with the bat, at least on a rate basis.
who? where is this being said?
Sorry plim, but phrases such as "hard to swallow" and "we haven't scored > 900 runs since 2005" come across as a touch of whine.
The Red Sox offense was third in runs scored in the AL in 2009, a perfectly respectable position. I don't think we have some divine right to one of the top two spots or clearing 900 runs.
The general position is the offense as constructed should be plenty good enough to support the run prevention abilities of the pitching staff and defense.
I don't think anyone is saying either of those things. I think the point that a lot of folks are making though is that the Sox offense is still quite good and that Kevin Youkilis may not inspire the fear of Manny Ramirez or others he is still one of the best hitters in the game. He was 2nd in 2009 and 4th in 2008 in OPS which is not the be all/end all but that's pretty good.
Of course they are not as good as the 2003/2004 offenses but they are still very good and that seems to be getting lost in the "run prevention" narrative of the off-season.
in addition to post #9, the Angels were a truly good team in 2008+2009, and the only time they had a better hitter than 08-09 Youkilis was half a season of Mark Texiera.
Youk 2009: 145 OPS+
Two great seasons at age 29-30, and a career OPS+ of 124 is just not a "superstar".
Which would be relevant if I were arguing that he was, rather than simply disagreeing that he's incapable of being the best hitter on a good team.
I don't quite understand this "body type" nonsense. I just saw his 2003 Topps rookie card and Youkilis doesn't look that fat.
That's about my take. There's really nothing wrong with the Red Sox, they're an excellent team. They only get nitpicked b/c they're not quite as good as the Yankees.
Sure. This offseason, the Sox clearly went for papering over some cracks rather than a long-term fix (Cameron, Beltre, Scutaro). But Bay would have cost as much as Cameron & Beltre combined so it's not like there were great options.
cheapskate owners on other teams start looking to save some money.
Cheapskate owners got a memo this offseason, y'know. There are a couple of potential slugger pickups in Berkman & Derrek Lee but I can't really see the Astros trading Berkman and Lee doesn't seem a great fit for Fenway even if the Cubs aren't contending. There are some interesting SP potentially available -- Arroyo, Bonderman, Harang, Lee, Lilly, Millwood, Webb.
I was thinking even hitters down a tier from them. And if it is DH being replaced, they wouldn't be restricted by position and could pick among 1b, 3b, OF...
Even after you adjust for ballparks, Boston had the third best offense in baseball last year. No one in the NL was in the top 3 places:
NYY 126 OPS+
ANA 106 OPS+
BOS 105 OPS+
...
SFG 81 OPS+
The Yankees were really, really good.
OPS+ (on b-r at least) doesn't include pitchers in the baseline but includes them in team stats (rightly). The exclusion of hitters makes sense for individual hitters but not for teams. Given that, NL teams will (on average) be lower than AL teams in OPS+. The average OPS+ in the NL was 94.
Besides, OPS+ is relative to league average so it's rather pointless to use it to compare teams from different leagues.
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